2007 College Football Season Talk

[Packer487 3]

Alright Michigan fans...let's make this a classy yet nasty week of trashtalk.

Robiskie and Jenkins are likely to be out next week due to a suspension. Both threw punches at the end of the game.

GO BUCKS!

Do you really think that they'll suspend those guys for the Michigan game? I'll be shocked if it happens. If it's up to Tressel, he'll probably suspend Robiskie for the first defensive series and Jenkins for the first offensive series.

Those are huge losses for OSU if they don't get to go. I'm looking forward to next weekend. Hopefully Henne and Hart are good to go. That team just isn't the same without #20 out there...

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

Do you really think that they'll suspend those guys for the Michigan game? I'll be shocked if it happens. If it's up to Tressel, he'll probably suspend Robiskie for the first defensive series and Jenkins for the first offensive series.

Those are huge losses for OSU if they don't get to go. I'm looking forward to next weekend. Hopefully Henne and Hart are good to go. That team just isn't the same without #20 out there...

Yeah, I do. But who knows, I still havent seen the video so maybe I was misinformed. At the game it was impossible to tell who was doing what.

[betterREDthandead 58]

Gonna step outside of the UM-OSU chatter for just a bit here.

WAH-HOO-M****RF*****G-WAH.

Most dominant performance I've ever seen out of the 'Hoos. Defense was absolutely unbelievable. Offense was brilliant. Mikey Groh is a damn genius. His playcalling was impeccable - Jameel Sewell was 20-for-25, because he was either throwing screen passes that let Mikell Simpson roll for about 15 yards, or tossing it to a tight end with a zip code all to himself. Miami was covering passes like they had 9 men on the field.

So how's this for a little Orange Bowl history: Worst shutout the 'Canes have ever had at that field. I think it's something like the 4th-worst whupping they've ever had in their history.

Isn't it funny the way things turn out? First week of the season, Michigan had lost to you-know-who and UVA had gone to Wyoming - Wyoming! - and gotten blown out of the water. And I said to myself, this season is over before it begins. The next game for both my teams is the big rivalry game of the year, and both are playing for the conference title (well, UVA's playing for a berth in the title game, but, close enough.) And Groh and co. have two full weeks to scheme for Virginia Tech.

BTW....I hope nobody gets suspended for OSU. I don't want Buckeye fans to whine that they would have won the game otherwise

[Guest RedWingsFever]

Robiskie and Jenkins are likely to be out next week due to a suspension. Both threw punches at the end of the game.

Looks like the excuses are starting already huh?

[eva unit zero 271]

Gonna step outside of the UM-OSU chatter for just a bit here.

WAH-HOO-M****RF*****G-WAH.

Most dominant performance I've ever seen out of the 'Hoos. Defense was absolutely unbelievable. Offense was brilliant. Mikey Groh is a damn genius. His playcalling was impeccable - Jameel Sewell was 20-for-25, because he was either throwing screen passes that let Mikell Simpson roll for about 15 yards, or tossing it to a tight end with a zip code all to himself. Miami was covering passes like they had 9 men on the field.

So how's this for a little Orange Bowl history: Worst shutout the 'Canes have ever had at that field. I think it's something like the 4th-worst whupping they've ever had in their history.

Isn't it funny the way things turn out? First week of the season, Michigan had lost to you-know-who and UVA had gone to Wyoming - Wyoming! - and gotten blown out of the water. And I said to myself, this season is over before it begins. The next game for both my teams is the big rivalry game of the year, and both are playing for the conference title (well, UVA's playing for a berth in the title game, but, close enough.) And Groh and co. have two full weeks to scheme for Virginia Tech.

BTW....I hope nobody gets suspended for OSU. I don't want Buckeye fans to whine that they would have won the game otherwise

If OSU players are suspended, it causes them to lose, and OSU fans whine about it..guess what? They shouldn't have gotten their asses handed to them by Illinois.

[timothy1997 0]

He did have like a 97 yard TD.

But this game didn't matter whatsoever to Michigan. More good experience for Mallett-and everyone saw first hand the ups and downs of having a freshman QB. The only thing that would've mattered is we would've clinched a share of the Big Ten title in light of OSU's loss. But either way, we're in the Rose Bowl with a win next week and the Capital One Bowl with a loss.

Hopefully with Crable's 2 personal fouls today it means that he WON'T have one next week. That's a dumb, dumb kid.

I am a little distrubed by these Michigan fans that treat yesterday's game as an exhibition. Hell yeah it mattered. If Michigan would have won and then lost against Ohio State, Michigan would have still likely headed to a BCS bowl, probably the Rose Bowl. Now with Michigan losing, they are surely out of a BCS bowl with a loss to Ohio State. Michigan would probably be out of the Top 25 to with back-to-back losses as well.

The game still counts Wolverines, even tho they didn't lose much with a loss.

Nice win today by MSU. To me this season is a success now. They have been in every game they play and despite losing a lot of games in the final minutes, they are going to a bowl for the first time since 2003. Dantonio in his first year has shown strides that the team is going in the right direction and hopefully MSU can improve and have a type of year like Illinois is having this year, next year. Good job Sparties!!

[eva unit zero 271]

I am a little distrubed by these Michigan fans that treat yesterday's game as an exhibition. Hell yeah it mattered. If Michigan would have won and then lost against Ohio State, Michigan would have still likely headed to a BCS bowl, probably the Rose Bowl. Now with Michigan losing, they are surely out of a BCS bowl with a loss to Ohio State. Michigan would probably be out of the Top 25 to with back-to-back losses as well.

The game still counts Wolverines, even tho they didn't lose much with a loss.

Of course the game counts. But you are wrong about one thing: With Ohio State losing to Illinois, Michigan has to win on the 17th to get to the Rose Bowl. If Michigan beats Wisconsin and loses to OSU, OSU is the Big Ten champion, but will NOT be in the title game. Meaning they will go to the Rose Bow, and Michigan is out of luck. Michigan has to beat OSU. The game mattered very little in terms of determining Michigan's bowl destination.

[timothy1997 0]

Of course the game counts. But you are wrong about one thing: With Ohio State losing to Illinois, Michigan has to win on the 17th to get to the Rose Bowl. If Michigan beats Wisconsin and loses to OSU, OSU is the Big Ten champion, but will NOT be in the title game. Meaning they will go to the Rose Bow, and Michigan is out of luck. Michigan has to beat OSU. The game mattered very little in terms of determining Michigan's bowl destination.

Rewind the tape back to saturday morning. If Ohio State would have beaten Illinois and Michigan, they would be in the National Championship game and Michigan would have a good chance of going to the Rose Bowl with Michigan beating Wisconsin and then losing to Ohio State. That was the reasoning why I said the game against Wisconsin was bigger than just a "doesn't matter" game.

This game, as has been the case all week, is totally meaningless. It's next week that matters.

That is my arguement that the Michigan-Wisconsin game mattered.

[eva unit zero 271]

Rewind the tape back to saturday morning. If Ohio State would have beaten Illinois and Michigan, they would be in the National Championship game and Michigan would have a good chance of going to the Rose Bowl with Michigan beating Wisconsin and then losing to Ohio State. That was the reasoning why I said the game against Wisconsin was bigger than just a "doesn't matter" game.

That is my arguement that the Michigan-Wisconsin game mattered.

If Michigan had beaten Wisconsin, and OSU had lost to Illinois, and Michigan loses to OSU, Michigan does not go to the Rose Bowl. If Michigan loses to Wisconsin, and OSU beats Illinois, Michigan likely goes to the Rose Bowl regardless of the outcome of the UM/OSU game. The only game this weekend that factored into Michigan's bowl destination was the OSU/Illinois game, as OSU's loss means OSU likely won't be playing for the national title and thus will actually be going to the Rose Bowl if they beat Michigan.

[timothy1997 0]

If Michigan had beaten Wisconsin, and OSU had lost to Illinois, and Michigan loses to OSU, Michigan does not go to the Rose Bowl.

agreed

If Michigan loses to Wisconsin, and OSU beats Illinois, Michigan likely goes to the Rose Bowl regardless of the outcome of the UM/OSU game.

disagree. No way does Michigan get to the rose bowl with back-to-back losses, regardless of Michigan finishing 2nd in Big Ten. Michigan would then head to the Capital One Bowl and the Rose Bowl would have a non-big ten team in it.

Edited November 11, 2007 by timothy1997

[eva unit zero 271]

disagree. No way does Michigan get to the rose bowl with back-to-back losses, regardless of Michigan finishing 2nd in Big Ten. Michigan would then head to the Capital One Bowl and the Rose Bowl would have a non-big ten team in it.

Regardless, Michigan beating Wisconsin and losing to OSU still would have sent them to the Cap One bowl, as OSU lost.

Here's the potential bowl assignments for the leaders in the Big Ten based on the two games that matter.

IF: OSU d. UM

THEN: OSU/Rose, UM/Capital One, Illinois/Outback

IF: UM d. OSU, Illiniois d. Northwestern

THEN: UM/Rose, Illinois/Capital One, OSU/Outback

IF: UM d. OSU, Northwestern d. Illiniois

THEN: UM/Rose, OSU/Capital One, Illinois/Outback

[Packer487 3]

Beating Wisconsin and losing to OSU wouldn't have put us in the Rose Bowl, even if OSU had beaten Illinois as well and ended up in the title game. To make a BCS game as an at-large, you have to be in the top 14 of the BCS, it's not just automatically the second-place Big 10 team.

In that scenario, I really don't see a 9-3 Michigan team with a loss to App State and without a great win (PSU and Illinois were nice enough, but nothing special) as a team that they'd be looking to send to the BCS as an at-large team.

I mean, it mattered, because you never want to lose games, and you never want to go into your rivalry game with a loss. But it wasn't important enough that they risked Hart. And thanks to OSU's loss, we still have a shot at an outright Big Ten title, which is pretty incredible since Mallett has played roughly 40% of the snaps this season and Hart has been in and out of the lineup.

They have been in every game they play and despite losing a lot of games in the final minutes, they are going to a bowl for the first time since 2003.

They're bowl eligible now. But with a loss next week to PSU and an Indiana win against Purdue (which isn't especially likely, but Purdue really isn't good either), MSU would still finish 10th in the Big Ten by themselves and probably would be home for bowl season.

[betterREDthandead 58]

Rewind the tape back to saturday morning. If Ohio State would have beaten Illinois and Michigan, they would be in the National Championship game and Michigan would have a good chance of going to the Rose Bowl with Michigan beating Wisconsin and then losing to Ohio State. That was the reasoning why I said the game against Wisconsin was bigger than just a "doesn't matter" game.

That is my arguement that the Michigan-Wisconsin game mattered.

I don't care about any of that stuff. I care about beating Ohio State. Period. That's what matters. All this what-if, what-if....totally, completely irrelevant. Beat Ohio State: Big Ten champs, Rose Bowl. Period. That's the way it was before the Wisconsin game and that's the way it is now. I could give a flying f*** about Wisconsin. Beat Ohio State. Looking ahead? You bet.

BEAT. OHIO. STATE.

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

Looks like the excuses are starting already huh?

Enjoy the Alamo Bowl.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

I don't care about any of that stuff. I care about beating Ohio State. Period. That's what matters. All this what-if, what-if....totally, completely irrelevant. Beat Ohio State: Big Ten champs, Rose Bowl. Period. That's the way it was before the Wisconsin game and that's the way it is now. I could give a flying f*** about Wisconsin. Beat Ohio State. Looking ahead? You bet.

BEAT. OHIO. STATE.

HAIL YES!

[timothy1997 0]

Regardless, Michigan beating Wisconsin and losing to OSU still would have sent them to the Cap One bowl, as OSU lost

not if ohio state would have won.

They're bowl eligible now. But with a loss next week to PSU and an Indiana win against Purdue (which isn't especially likely, but Purdue really isn't good either), MSU would still finish 10th in the Big Ten by themselves and probably would be home for bowl season.

It's a question IMO of what big ten team the Motor City bowl would rather have...Indiana or MSU. Both would generate tons of fans and have a good showing at Ford Field. I would think MSU would have a slight edge in the team being more attractive but it's close.

[BlakChamber 8]

MSU probably does have to beat PSU to actually get to a bowl game. Still, like Timothy said, if it came down to MSU or IU for the Motor City Bowl, I have to think they'd take MSU given the school is just over an hour away and has a bigger fanbase in the Detroit area.

It's not like Indiana wouldn't show, but it wouldn't be as good as State.

Question for Michigan fans. I know the season isn't over yet, but what's the outlook next year? Hart is gone. Henne is gone. Long is gone (and would be welcome in Detroit). Is Manningham going to go pro? I've got to assume he's at least thinking about it.

[Packer487 3]

not if ohio state would have won.

OSU going to the title game wouldn't guarantee Michigan (as the 2nd place team) to the Rose Bowl. In the scenario we're talking about, Michigan beats Wiscy and loses to the Buckeyes. To go to the Rose Bowl, they still would have had to be in the top 14 in the BCS. And I think people would have had a lot of trouble keeping Michigan in the top 14 with three losses...even if two of them were against Top 5 teams.

It's a question IMO of what big ten team the Motor City bowl would rather have...Indiana or MSU. Both would generate tons of fans and have a good showing at Ford Field. I would think MSU would have a slight edge in the team being more attractive but it's close.

That's if they're tied in the Big Ten (I don't know if the tie-breaker would then factor in..). MSU would probably sell some tickets just based on general interest from Spartan fans in the Detroit area who don't feel like driving 2+ hours to the MSU games.

If Indiana is ahead of MSU, I don't think there's an option. The folks over at the RCMB seemed to think there's a rule against a bowl going a run down the ladder, so to speak. The Spartans would be smart to go ahead and beat Penn State. Indiana isn't great, but they'll have a shot against Purdue.

[Skiing - Puck 0]

Honestly even if Michigan State wins next week I do not see them in a bowl game, Moter City or otherwise because 10 of the 11 teams in the Big Ten are bowl eligible and we are the lowest in the pecking order for births. MSU'sonly hope is that fat boy Perles displays favoritism and extends the Moter City invite to MSU (George Perles is on the group that picks the teams for the MCB)

By the way with the Rose Bowl taking the highest ranked team in the BIg Ten (unless it is the Natn'l championship) had Michigan and Ohio State won last week Michigan would have gone to the Rose Bowl regardless of next weeks outcome because if Michigan won they would be the Big Ten champ (automatic invite to Rose Bowl) or been second place behind a Title game bound Ohio State team leaving the Rose Bowl bid to second place Michigan.

Edited November 12, 2007 by Skiing - Puck

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

MSU probably does have to beat PSU to actually get to a bowl game. Still, like Timothy said, if it came down to MSU or IU for the Motor City Bowl, I have to think they'd take MSU given the school is just over an hour away and has a bigger fanbase in the Detroit area.

It's not like Indiana wouldn't show, but it wouldn't be as good as State.

Question for Michigan fans. I know the season isn't over yet, but what's the outlook next year? Hart is gone. Henne is gone. Long is gone (and would be welcome in Detroit). Is Manningham going to go pro? I've got to assume he's at least thinking about it.

The defense should be very solid. They return everyone except Crable, and Adams. The offense has very talented players, but all will be very young such as Mallett, Hemmingway, Clemons, freshmen Sam McGuffie, and 1 or 2 OL. I always thought this year was Manningham's last year, but now I pretty much guarantee it after watching him rip Mallett a new one on Saturday for his play. I also think there is a chance Arrington will go pro along with Mannigham.

I think the bigger question is are we losing Carr? I wonder if he will say something tomorrow, or next week after OSU regarding his future.....

[Packer487 3]

By the way with the Rose Bowl taking the highest ranked team in the BIg Ten (unless it is the Natn'l championship) had Michigan and Ohio State won last week Michigan would have gone to the Rose Bowl regardless of next weeks outcome because if Michigan won they would be the Big Ten champ (automatic invite to Rose Bowl) or been second place behind a Title game bound Ohio State team leaving the Rose Bowl bid to second place Michigan.

That's not the way it works.

That's how you get things like Texas in the Rose Bowl in 2005 against Michigan or Oklahoma in 2003.

The Rose Bowl doesn't have to take the 2nd place Big Ten team if the first team heads off to the National Championship Game. First, the 2nd place B10 team isn't even BCS eligible unless they're in the top 14 (it used to be top 12 I believe) in the BCS rankings--which I don't think we would have been had we beaten Wiscy and lost to OSU. Second, if the Rose Bowl loses a team to the BCS Championship Game, all it means is that they get an earlier selection for who they'd like as the "at large" team. They're not under any obligation to take the 2nd place B10 team to fill that spot.

If a win over Wisconsin meant an automatic Rose Bowl birth for Michigan, you would've heard a LOT more about it in the leadup to that game...

[timothy1997 0]

That's not the way it works.

That's how you get things like Texas in the Rose Bowl in 2005 against Michigan or Oklahoma in 2003.

The Rose Bowl doesn't have to take the 2nd place Big Ten team if the first team heads off to the National Championship Game. First, the 2nd place B10 team isn't even BCS eligible unless they're in the top 14 (it used to be top 12 I believe) in the BCS rankings--which I don't think we would have been had we beaten Wiscy and lost to OSU. Second, if the Rose Bowl loses a team to the BCS Championship Game, all it means is that they get an earlier selection for who they'd like as the "at large" team. They're not under any obligation to take the 2nd place B10 team to fill that spot.

If a win over Wisconsin meant an automatic Rose Bowl birth for Michigan, you would've heard a LOT more about it in the leadup to that game...

Of the following teams that could finish 2nd place in their conference...which is the most attractive to the Rose Bowl Committee?

Michigan

Kansas

West Va.

Georgia

This is why I felt that the Rose Bowl Committee would say that they would choose Michigan to be the "at large" team in the Rose Bowl, filling the void left by Ohio State.

[Packer487 3]

Of the following teams that could finish 2nd place in their conference...which is the most attractive to the Rose Bowl Committee?

Michigan

Kansas

West Va.

Georgia

This is why I felt that the Rose Bowl Committee would say that they would choose Michigan to be the "at large" team in the Rose Bowl, filling the void left by Ohio State.

But none of it would matter if Michigan wasn't in the top 14 in the BCS. Which I don't think they would've been had they beaten Wiscy and lost to OSU.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

He did have like a 97 yard TD.

But this game didn't matter whatsoever to Michigan. More good experience for Mallett-and everyone saw first hand the ups and downs of having a freshman QB. The only thing that would've mattered is we would've clinched a share of the Big Ten title in light of OSU's loss. But either way, we're in the Rose Bowl with a win next week and the Capital One Bowl with a loss.

Hopefully with Crable's 2 personal fouls today it means that he WON'T have one next week. That's a dumb, dumb kid.

If you're referring to the outcome of the Big 10 than that's one thing, but (and I mean this with no ill-will) I hate this sentiment.

This isn't like the Bears losing to the Packers in Week 17 last season when they had the conference clinched. I understand that this game was meaningless in regards to the outcome of the Big 10, but no athlete or coach in their right mind thinks this way heading in to a game. Just because a particular game doesn't make or break the outcomes of a season doesn't mean that the team doesn't care about it and wasn't trying to win. Michigan is a better team than Wisconsin, but UW was the better team on Saturday. Simple as that.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

BetterRed or Packer.. What are you thoughts on Carr's future? Think this is his last game at the Big House, or he will stick around one or two more years? If you think he's gone who do you want? Miles, Tedford, Kelly, English, other?