2007 College Football Season Talk

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

According to many sources Lloyd Carr is retiring next week after the OSU game. This is going to get very interesting. I love Carr to death, and thank him for everything he has done, and represents.

[betterREDthandead 58]

According to many sources Lloyd Carr is retiring next week after the OSU game. This is going to get very interesting. I love Carr to death, and thank him for everything he has done, and represents.

Carr deserves every ounce of praise that'll be heaped on him when he retires and more. Ask Nebraska, or Alabama, or Texas A&M, or Florida State, or Miami, how hard it is to keep an elite program elite. Carr's done that. Not to mention he's run a classy, upstanding program, and earned the loyalty of everyone who's played for him. How many coaches can say that?

Now let's send him out in style! Beat Ohio State!

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

Your right Red they need to have Lloyd go out on top! All these rumors though are very exciting, yet very scary as you mentioned FSU, Bama, ect. This is will be the biggest decision U-M has had to make in decades...

Anyone?

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

Your right Red they need to have Lloyd go out on top! All these rumors though are very exciting, yet very scary as you mentioned FSU, Bama, ect. This is will be the biggest decision U-M has had to make in decades...

Anyone?

Looks like a new Carr with Les Miles.

[Guest RedWingsFever]

Looks like a new Carr with Les Miles.

Lou? Is that you?

[Packer487 3]

If you're referring to the outcome of the Big 10 than that's one thing, but (and I mean this with no ill-will) I hate this sentiment.

This isn't like the Bears losing to the Packers in Week 17 last season when they had the conference clinched. I understand that this game was meaningless in regards to the outcome of the Big 10, but no athlete or coach in their right mind thinks this way heading in to a game. Just because a particular game doesn't make or break the outcomes of a season doesn't mean that the team doesn't care about it and wasn't trying to win. Michigan is a better team than Wisconsin, but UW was the better team on Saturday. Simple as that.

I don't like the sentiment either--especially living in Wisconsin, I'd have preferred that they had won that game since I'm going to take a lot of crap about it on Friday--but let me put it this way: If that Wisconsin game had been for the Big Ten title, or if Michigan came into that game unbeaten and with National Title hopes, I have no doubt that Mike Hart and Chad Henne would've played. As it was, it made no sense to risk either of them in what essentially was a meaningless game for us.

Wisconsin was the better team Saturday. And they were without their star running back for most of the game as well (and their backup went down also)--and I believe they're missing a very good WR as well. Their backups made plays, ours didn't. But I do think that the "meaningless" nature of the game caused Michigan to be more cautious with their injured players. Big picture.

BetterRed or Packer.. What are you thoughts on Carr's future? Think this is his last game at the Big House, or he will stick around one or two more years? If you think he's gone who do you want? Miles, Tedford, Kelly, English, other?

Everything for the past year has indicated that he's gone, and if Brian says he's heard it from 3 different people, then I don't doubt him. I want Miles. There have been rumblings in the past that he has "loose Morals" or whatever, but no one has ever backed it up with any shred of evidence, which, to me, seems to indicate that it's nothing more than a smear campaign by people who stand to lose their "insider" status if Miles takes the reigns. It's clearly his dream job, and when you can land someone like him, he's gotta be candidate 1, 2, and 3.

I think they'd be very wise to interview Brian Kelly as well, though I've heard he's kind of a dick and has his eye on the NFL. Great coach though.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

and if Brian says he's heard it from 3 different people, then I don't doubt him. I want Miles.

Oh I see that leaves you, Matt, and myself as MGoBlog readers

I agree on Miles on Kelly. I have a short list of 1) Miles. 2) Kelly

There have been rumblings in the past that he has "loose Morals" or whatever, but no one has ever backed it up with any shred of evidence

Loose Morals from Section 6. You must be a Rivals.com subscriber like myself.

[betterREDthandead 58]

Oh I see that leaves you, Matt, and myself as MGoBlog readers

Hey now, how 'bout a little credit.....where do you think the avy came from?

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

Hey now, how 'bout a little credit.....where do you think the avy came from?

Oh I should have known! I thought about getting one of those shirts, but I think I like the Zoltan for Heisman better!

[Packer487 3]

Oh I see that leaves you, Matt, and myself as MGoBlog readers

Totally. I'm the one who writes the "Yost Built" blog that he links quite a bit. That kid is an amazing writer and he knows his s***. I can't believe the depth some of his stuff has. Always good for a laugh too.

Loose Morals from Section 6. You must be a Rivals.com subscriber like myself.

Yup. And quite honestly, it wouldn't make me cry if he lost his Insider status. Pretty clear that half the time he's just getting off on the "I know something you don't know, but I'm not actually going to say what it is" posts. And recruiting is such a strange business that half the time the information he has changes anyway.....wake me up when the kid signs, and I'll be happy. The moderators/writers there do a fantastic job though.

You'll find me over on the hockey board more often than not.

[BlakChamber 8]

Carr deserves every ounce of praise that'll be heaped on him when he retires and more. Ask Nebraska, or Alabama, or Texas A&M, or Florida State, or Miami, how hard it is to keep an elite program elite. Carr's done that. Not to mention he's run a classy, upstanding program, and earned the loyalty of everyone who's played for him. How many coaches can say that?

Is Michigan really still an elite program? Half a national championship in the last 50 years, 1 1/2 in the last 60. Does that really make an elite program? Hell, in that time period Michigan State has claimed more national championships than Michigan has. Overall the school has a losing record in bowl games, unlike Texas, Tennessee, Alabama, Oklahoma, USC, and LSU to name a few.

Now, Michigan is still an extremely good program, don't get me wrong. I'd never say that the Wolverines have a bad program, hell, they haven't had a losing season since the 60's. But when most of your national championships are from before World War 2, and two out of the three post WW2 championships were in the 1940's, and the last national championship is a co-championship...that doesn't scream elite program to me. It says good program, even very good, but not the leaders and the best

I don't ask this to be an ******* Spartan fan, I'd certainly love to have Michigan's record. But I'm curious what the UM fans think.

[Happy Pancake 6]

Is Michigan really still an elite program? Half a national championship in the last 50 years, 1 1/2 in the last 60. Does that really make an elite program? Hell, in that time period Michigan State has claimed more national championships than Michigan has. Overall the school has a losing record in bowl games, unlike Texas, Tennessee, Alabama, Oklahoma, USC, and LSU to name a few.

Now, Michigan is still an extremely good program, don't get me wrong. I'd never say that the Wolverines have a bad program, hell, they haven't had a losing season since the 60's. But when most of your national championships are from before World War 2, and two out of the three post WW2 championships were in the 1940's, and the last national championship is a co-championship...that doesn't scream elite program to me. It says good program, even very good, but not the leaders and the best

I don't ask this to be an ******* Spartan fan, I'd certainly love to have Michigan's record. But I'm curious what the UM fans think.

Nitpick time! In the era before teams were guaranteed to play each other for the title, there is no such thing as 'half' a championship. Michigan won every game that year and beat multiple top 5 teams to do it. Sure Nebraska also won but that in no way detracts from Michigan's title. So there.

I would say Michigan is an elite team. They are able to recruit based on their name alone and have fans all over the country. The main reason I say elite is because while yes, they have only 1 title in recent memory they still have the most wins and best winning percentage of all college teams. While teams like Miami and FSU won 3 or 4 titles in a decade or so, look at where both teams are now. Michigan has had 40 straight non-losing seasons ("non-losing" referring to the 6-6 1984 campaign. In 38 out of those 40 years Michigan has won 8 or more games ) and it's consistency like that that makes me still think of Michigan as elite. Michigan spends some time out of the polls but hasn't spent the entire season unranked like Miami or FSU has in recent years.

Call me a homer but that's my two cents. And before timothy1997 comes on here saying Michigan should be kicked out of the conference etc etc, royally blowing one game to a ridiculously overmatched opponent doesn't tarnish Michigan's status as elite. Much as I love Lloyd, he has a knack for playing down to weaker teams and it finally bit him real hard in the ass. Manning threw 6 picks yesterday to a team coached by Norv effing Turner and I think history will still remember him fondly.

[Skiing - Puck 0]

I have to say that Michigan is an elite program in football. The program is always competing for the top spot in the Big Ten, they are able to recruit soley on the history of the program almost always being one of the top recruiting classes year in and year out, always making it to a larger bowl games. While I do hate U of M, I don't see how it can be argued that Michigan is not an elite program. I am sure most Michigan fans would say simaler things about our basketball and hockey programs.

Now that a said something nice about U of M, I think I am going to go throw up.

Edited November 13, 2007 by Skiing - Puck

[Skiing - Puck 0]

double post

Edited November 13, 2007 by Skiing - Puck

[timothy1997 0]

Call me a homer but that's my two cents. And before timothy1997 comes on here saying Michigan should be kicked out of the conference etc etc, royally blowing one game to a ridiculously overmatched opponent doesn't tarnish Michigan's status as elite. Much as I love Lloyd, he has a knack for playing down to weaker teams and it finally bit him real hard in the ass. Manning threw 6 picks yesterday to a team coached by Norv effing Turner and I think history will still remember him fondly.

am i that predictable? sheesh.

I have to say that Michigan is an elite program in football. The program is always competing for the top spot in the Big Ten, they are able to recruit soley on the history of the program almost always being one of the top recruiting classes year in and year out, always making it to a larger bowl games. While I do hate U of M, I don't see how it can be argued that Michigan is an elite program.

sorry blak, i have to agree with this post instead of yours. While I cannot stand Michigan, they are an elite program. They are not THE program in college football but they are up there. Michigan is a top 10 college football program, if not a top 5.

Edited November 13, 2007 by timothy1997

[betterREDthandead 58]

Well, let's look at the teams that have won the championship since 1997 and how they've all done in that time. Probably a pretty solid list of the elite programs in the country.

Michigan:

Record since 1997 - 104-31

Bowls since 1997 - Every year. 4 Rose, 1 Orange, 3 Citrus, 1 O*****k, 1 Alamo.

Nebraska:

Record since 1997 - 99-40

Bowls since 1997 - Missed one year. 1 Orange, 1 Rose, 1 Fiesta, 3 Alamo, 1 Holiday, 1 Cotton, 1 Independence.

Tennessee:

Record since 1997 - 101-25

Bowls since 1997 - Missed one year. 1 Orange, 2 Fiesta, 2 Cotton, 1 Citrus, 2 Peach, 1 O*****k

Florida State:

Record since 1997 - 102-35

Bowls since 1997 - Every year. 3 Sugar, 1 Fiesta, 3 Orange, 2 Gator, 1 E*****d

Oklahoma:

Record since 1997 - 104-34

Bowls since 1997 - Missed two years. 1 Fiesta, 2 Orange, 1 Sugar, 1 Rose, 1 Cotton, 1 Holiday, 1 Independence

Miami:

Record since 1997 - 99-39

Bowls since 1997 - Missed one year. 1 Sugar, 1 Rose, 1 Fiesta, 1 Orange, 2 Peach, 1 Gator, 1 M****n PC, 1 M** C*******s

Ohio State:

Record since 1997 - 107-29

Bowls since 1997 - Missed one year. 1 BCS Title Game, 3 Fiesta, 2 Sugar, 1 Alamo, 2 O*****k

LSU:

Record since 1997 - 95-39

Bowls since 1997 - Missed two years. 3 Sugar, 2 Peach, 1 Cotton, 1 C*****l O**, 1 Independence

USC:

Record since 1997 - 98-37

Bowls since 1997 - Missed three years. 2 Orange, 3 Rose, 1 Sun, 1 Las Vegas

Texas:

Record since 1997 - 106-31

Bowls since 1997 - Missed one year. 2 Rose, 1 Alamo, 3 Holiday, 3 Cotton

Florida:

Record since 1997 - 103-35

Bowls since 1997 - Every year. 1 BCS Title Game, 1 Sugar, 2 Orange, 2 Citrus, 3 O*****k, 1 Peach

Of those teams, only Michigan, FSU, and Florida have not failed to make a bowl. Only OSU and Texas have better records in that time. In particular, OU, USC, and LSU had some absolutely dreadful years. Michigan is not going through a crisis like FSU is, like Miami is, like Nebraska is. 4 Rose Bowls in 10 years, plus an Orange win for good measure.

"O NOEZ WE LOSE TO MANY ROSE BOWLZ" is a really weak reason to jump on the Fire The Coach bandwagon, if you ask me, and that's why I haven't had any patience for the Fire Lloyd movement.

Michigan is always in the hunt. No getting blown out of the last game ever in your old home stadium. No idiotic coach-firings after 9-3 seasons. No hyperventilating over quarterback and OC controversies. No Ron Zook. I'll take it.

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

Still dont know where my seats are, but I can't wait to be in Ann Arbor Saturday!

[Skiing - Puck 0]

What time is the kick for OSU vs Meatchicken?

I know the Michigan State game is a 3:30 kick because I am going to that game. It looks like MSU-PSU is telavised on ABC.

[betterREDthandead 58]

What time is the kick for OSU vs Michigan?

I know the Michigan State game is a 3:30 kick because I am going to that game. It looks like MSU-PSU is telavised on ABC.

Noon. ABC as well.

Just my luck I'll be in f%$*ing Canada during the game! My ship is getting underway and we have a port visit to Victoria BC this weekend. Not my idea. Thank God for TiVo.

[Skiing - Puck 0]

Noon. ABC as well.

Just my luck I'll be in f%$*ing Canada during the game! My ship is getting underway and we have a port visit to Victoria BC this weekend. Not my idea. Thank God for TiVo.

Thanks, and I see you edited my post.

By the way what kind of ship?

[betterREDthandead 58]

Thanks, and I see you edited my post.

By the way what kind of ship?

I didn't edit your post. I edited mine

What kind of ship, you ask? Big ugly gray one. Frigate. Which is Navy-speak for "useless missile-sponge." And not actually that big. Maybe not ugly either, but definitely gray.

[betterREDthandead 58]

Neat little tidbit I just read. Kansas, obviously, has not been 10-0 in ages. Over a century in fact. 1899 was the last time. And who was their coach? Gentleman by the name of Fielding H. Yost.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

Neat little tidbit I just read. Kansas, obviously, has not been 10-0 in ages. Over a century in fact. 1899 was the last time. And who was their coach? Gentleman by the name of Fielding H. Yost.

Really?! Wow that's interesting. Thanks for the fact!

[Lou_Siffer 1]

Looks like a new Carr with Les Miles.

Wow. Bravo my friend,... bravo.

If Carr loses this OSU game he'll be fuming.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

Still dont know where my seats are, but I can't wait to be in Ann Arbor Saturday!

When you find out post it here. How weird would it be to sit by one another