2007 College Football Season Talk

[timothy1997 0]

The way this season is ending up is EXACTLY why Michigan's loss to Wisconsin a few weeks ago was big, despite Michigan fans coming in here saying the "game didn't matter"

The title game is shaping up to be West Va vs Kansas/Missouri but there is a catch. Kansas/Missouri still has to play Oklahoma for the Big 12 title game. If Oklahoma beats either Kansas/Missouri, Ohio State is in the National Championship game, leaving Illinois possibly in BCS. Had Michigan defeated Wisconsin, there would be no debate about that Michigan would get the nod over Illinois, but because Michigan is ineligable for the BCS because of only winning 8 games, they have to settle for the Capital One or Outback Bowl.

Edited November 24, 2007 by timothy1997

[eva unit zero 271]

The way this season is ending up is EXACTLY why Michigan's loss to Wisconsin a few weeks ago was big, despite Michigan fans coming in here saying the "game didn't matter"

The title game is shaping up to be West Va vs Kansas/Missouri but there is a catch. Kansas/Missouri still has to play Oklahoma for the Big 12 title game. If Oklahoma beats either Kansas/Missouri, Ohio State is in the National Championship game, leaving Illinois possibly in BCS. Had Michigan defeated Wisconsin, there would be no debate about that Michigan would get the nod over Illinois, but because Michigan is ineligable for the BCS because of only winning 8 games, they have to settle for the Capital One or Outback Bowl.

Michigan will be in the Outback or the Alamo. The Capital One bowl has already said they are looking at Michigan as behind OSU, Wisconsin, Illinois, and even Penn State, whom Michigan beat and has the same record as. Illinois and Wisconsin likely take the Capital One and the Outback, but there is a very slim chance that Illinois could end up in a BCS bowl, which would land Michigan in the Outback.

The thing is, had Michigan beaten Wisconsin and then lost to OSU, Michigan would be ranked probably 14th or 15th right now. There are twelve teams that would be ranked ahead of them that currently have nine wins, plus two 8-win teams (Florida and Oregon) that are likely to pick up an additional win before the end of the season. If we take the six conference champions, which at this point looks like it will be OSU, LSU, Kansas, Connecticut, Oregon, and Boston College, and we assume that the higher ranked team will win remaining games...then we end up with the following teams going to the BCS bowls:

Kansas; Big 12 champ (Title game)

West Virginia; Big East Champ (Title game)

Ohio State; Big 10 champ (Rose Bowl)

Oregon; Pac 10 champ (Rose Bowl)

LSU; SEC champ (Sugar Bowl)

Virginia Tech; ACC 2nd, At Large (Sugar Bowl)

Boston College; ACC champ (Orange Bowl)

Georgia; SEC 2nd, At Large(Orange Bowl)

Arizona State; Pac 10 2nd, At Large (Fiesta Bowl)

Missouri; Big 12 2nd, At Large (Fiesta Bowl)

The still doesn't even come close to including Michigan. And even if Oregon loses and does not become the Pac-10 champ, USC would actually become the conference champion by virtue of the tiebreaking win over Arizona State. Michigan would still be shut out of the BCS with a win over Wisconsin. If Ohio State ends up in the title game, which can only happen if West Virginia loses to Connecticut and Missouri loses to Kansas, and OSU manages to leapfrog those two and LSU, Michigan still would have had a tough time getting a BCS bid. Illinois will have an easier one than Michigan would have, having losses only to Missouri, Iowa, and Michigan. And Illinois likely won't get into the BCS, leaving Michigan looking at the Alamo bowl (likely against Texas) as I said earlier.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

I think Oregon will definitely lose one of, if not both of their upcoming games against UCLA and Oregon St....putting USC once again in the Rose Bowl. Theres one more scenario for the Title game that didnt occur to me till now...Georgia. If they beat GTech, and then beat LSU (who could possibly still be reeling from yesterday), they'll get in if the Kansas/Missouri winner loses to Oklahoma. I definitely believe those 2 wins for Georgia would leapfrog them over idle Ohio St, even though they have one more loss. It will all depend on LSU's mindset and if they can recover in a week.

Right now, the only thing i feel fairly confident in saying is that West Virginia will be in the title game. Hopefully Kansas beats Missouri, kicks Oklahoma's ass, and then stomps WVU. At least then we'll know who the true national champ is without any issue.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

Kansas vs. WVU would be the grossest title game ever!

[Lou_Siffer 1]

Kansas vs. WVU would be the grossest title game ever!

I prefer Kansas/Ohio St, since the Buckeyes at least carry name value and would be a nice final test for KU. OSU/WVU is the worst and least intriguing matchup imo. If not Kansas/Ohio St, ...then i'd take Missouri/Ohio St. Everything aside from those 2 possibilities is really bad.

[Grittzkey 1]

Kansas vs. WVU would be the grossest title game ever!

I'am praying that WVU looses to UCONN

and Kansas looses to Mizzo

Then Mizzo looses in the big12 champship

Just so it proves that we need a playoff even more

I prefer Kansas/Ohio St, since the Buckeyes at least carry name value and would be a nice final test for KU. OSU/WVU is the worst and least intriguing matchup imo. If not Kansas/Ohio St, ...then i'd take Missouri/Ohio St. Everything aside from those 2 possibilities is really bad.

Ohio State and WVU would be great i think..

Lauranitis/Wells/Jenkins vs White/Slaton/Devine.

[betterREDthandead 58]

At least then we'll know who the true national champ is without any issue.

Can someone tell me why that's so important?

[timothy1997 0]

This season is crazy. Hard to believe we have only 1 more week left before the bowls are offically filled up.

Here is the game plan for the final week.

BC beat Va Tech: betterREDthandead must be bumming from the va-va tech game.

Oklahoma beat Mizzou: This shouldnt be an upset but it is.

Tennessee beat LSU: Only to seriously mess up the SEC.

Oregon St beat Oregon: Just because

UCLA beat USC & Arizona beat Arizona St: Come on, I am getting sick of seeing USC in the Rose Bowl. Wouldn't it be great if UCLA got in the big game.

Pitt beat West Va: Sure pitt is 0-4 on the road but they are just due for a road win.

Hawaii beat Washington: Only because I want to see the Rainbows in the title game.

Title game is Ohio State vs Hawaii!!!! Go Rainbows!!

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

Looks to me no team wants to play in the NC game....

[timothy1997 0]

Looks to me no team wants to play in the NC game....

It might take a f***ed up title game before they fix this damn BCS thing. Right now, I wanna give Hawaii a shot. They at least have beaten every team on their schedule.

[eva unit zero 271]

It might take a f***ed up title game before they fix this damn BCS thing. Right now, I wanna give Hawaii a shot. They at least have beaten every team on their schedule.

I wouldn't mind seeing a playoff system that worked like this:

Each of the six BCS conferences would have a four team playoff. The non-BCS conferences and the independents would submit 8 at-large teams with a limit of two teams per non-BCS conference.

Two rounds would be played, reducing us to six conference champions and two at-large teams. The next two rounds would be the Bowl Games; the current four BCS bowls plus two more, with the 'semifinal' round rotated between the six bowls on a three-year basis. 32 team playoffs, the minor conferences have a REAL shot at winning if they deserve it. It also removes the 'Nebraska/Oklahoma' controversy where a team could lose its conference championship game and still have a shot at the national title. If winning the conference championship is a direct requirement of playing in the title game via an incorporated playoff, that would never happen.

The first round could also be lopped off, leaving us with two teams per conference plus 4 at-large berths for a 16-team playoff.

[timothy1997 0]

I wouldn't mind seeing a playoff system that worked like this:

Each of the six BCS conferences would have a four team playoff. The non-BCS conferences and the independents would submit 8 at-large teams with a limit of two teams per non-BCS conference.

Two rounds would be played, reducing us to six conference champions and two at-large teams. The next two rounds would be the Bowl Games; the current four BCS bowls plus two more, with the 'semifinal' round rotated between the six bowls on a three-year basis. 32 team playoffs, the minor conferences have a REAL shot at winning if they deserve it. It also removes the 'Nebraska/Oklahoma' controversy where a team could lose its conference championship game and still have a shot at the national title. If winning the conference championship is a direct requirement of playing in the title game via an incorporated playoff, that would never happen.

The first round could also be lopped off, leaving us with two teams per conference plus 4 at-large berths for a 16-team playoff.

Notre Dame and the rest of the non-bcs conferences would be up in arms to be neglected, even teams like Notre Dame should join a conference.

[Grittzkey 1]

I think that this season is prooving that the ncaa needs a playoff system..

Mizzo will loose in the Big12 Champship game so it will be

WVU v OSU in the N Champship and WVU will win. Rich Rodrigues will feel great about staying at his alma-matter instead if hopping ship to bama.

[timothy1997 0]

Hawaii up to 12th in the BCS. I think the Rainbows will make the BCS games. BIG 12 & SEC have 3 teams ahead of them so they should be in.

[betterREDthandead 58]

I would like to know:

- Why it's so important that college football crown an argument-free national champion.

- Why college football needs a playoff to do this.

- Why a playoff is a better system.

Never have I once seen a suitable answer to any of these questions.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

I would like to know:

- Why it's so important that college football crown an argument-free national champion.

- Why college football needs a playoff to do this.

- Why a playoff is a better system.

Never have I once seen a suitable answer to any of these questions.

Personally, I could really care less how it's decided now. The overall talk of a playoff or BCS stuff has just gone so over the top that I just don't care anymore how it's decided. Also contributing to this is the LSU/USC rivalry and debate crap from 2003 when LSU won the BCS Sugar Bowl, but USC won the Rose Bowl with a similar record and no consensus #1 rankings from all the polls and stuff. I still hear it today from LSU fans and how they just constantly ***** and moan about USC. Who the hell cares, you won something, be happy about it for crying about loud.

Also, even though I didn't go to LSU, this was a pretty hard loss to digest that I can remember. Arkansas was/is very capable even though they have underperformed this year and I wasn't going to be surprised if it happened, also with LSU living dangerously almost all year, but the way it happened was pretty stunning. Kudos to Arkansas though, they deserved every bit of that win. Just glad that I don't take this stuff too seriously anymore or I'd still be suffering from depression. Just surprised they dropped so much in the BCS to #7, I thought they'd be no worse than #5.

Anyways, got to mention kudos to my alma mater TCU as well. Underperformed this year as well, but they finished strong winning 3 of their last 4 to finish the season 7-5 and (in all likelihood) go to a bowl game for the 9th time in 10 season. Not a bad track record for a team that doesn't play in the big conferences.

[Grittzkey 1]

I would like to know:

- Why it's so important that college football crown an argument-free national champion.

- Why college football needs a playoff to do this.

- Why a playoff is a better system.

Never have I once seen a suitable answer to any of these questions.

Here is my reasoning behind a play off.

Team A can be 11-1 at the end of the season

Team B can be 11-1 at the end of the season also.

Team A looses at the beggining of the season, then gets #1 ranking later in the sason

Team B is number 1 all year. then gets knocked off last game of the eason.

Even though Team A and B are same record. Team A is number 1 and Team 2 falls to number 8, Just because of the time of the year that they had lost. not because of the compition. But because of when the lose happend.

Even though Team A and B are the unanimously best team in colegant football. Team B looses late in the season and Team C who is 9-3 is playing against Team 1 in the National championship. just because the way the BCS and Coach and AP polls work.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

If you read pages back I wrote this same thing, but I'll say it again. A playoff solves NOTHING. If you have a 4 team playoff you will have 5-6 teams crying they didn't get in just like they are now. If you have 8 you run into the same problem, and if you have 16+ it will take too much time.

[Grittzkey 1]

how the f*** would it take to much time?

we have to wait a whole ******* month before i get to watch michigan play again.. in that time you could be having playoffs.

[betterREDthandead 58]

Here is my reasoning behind a play off.

Team A can be 11-1 at the end of the season

Team B can be 11-1 at the end of the season also.

Team A looses at the beggining of the season, then gets #1 ranking later in the sason

Team B is number 1 all year. then gets knocked off last game of the eason.

Even though Team A and B are same record. Team A is number 1 and Team 2 falls to number 8, Just because of the time of the year that they had lost. not because of the compition. But because of when the lose happend.

Even though Team A and B are the unanimously best team in colegant football. Team B looses late in the season and Team C who is 9-3 is playing against Team 1 in the National championship. just because the way the BCS and Coach and AP polls work.

Utter nonsense. Under no circumstances is it conceivable that a 9-3 team would leapfrog an 11-1 team to play for the title. That's your imagination thinking up ways to argue against the BCS. The voters aren't so dumb as to do that. If the two 11-1 teams are clearly the best teams, they're not getting leapfrogged by a 9-3 team. Ridiculous.

we have to wait a whole ******* month before i get to watch michigan play again.. in that time you could be having playoffs.

Or final exams. In case you didn't notice, they are STUDENT-athletes.

[eva unit zero 271]

If you read pages back I wrote this same thing, but I'll say it again. A playoff solves NOTHING. If you have a 4 team playoff you will have 5-6 teams crying they didn't get in just like they are now. If you have 8 you run into the same problem, and if you have 16+ it will take too much time.

I have a solution to the 'we didn't get in because of the stupid voters' argument.

The playoff should be 16 teams, which would consist of the following breakdown.

Two teams from each of the six BCS conferences. For the Pac-10, Big Ten, and Big East this would be the two teams wit hthe best conference record. For the SEC, ACC, and Big 12, this would be the two division winners from each conference. These conference championship games would be held at the home field of a member school on a rotating basis.

In addition to these twelve teams, you would have four at-large teams. The two westernmost teams selected would be in a play-in for the Fiesta Bowl, while the two easternmost At-Large schools would be a play-in for either the Sugar or Orange Bowl, depending on whether the top SEC or ACC champ was ranked higher. The conference with the higher ranked team would draw the At-Large, while the other would face the Big East.

The Big Ten and Pac-10 champions would play in the Rose Bowl. The Big 12, ACC, and SEC champions would play in their 'traditional' bowl against either the Big East champion or an at-large team. The winners of the bowls would advance to a semifinal round; the Rose Bowl winner vs the Fiesta Bowl winner (West Regional) and the Sugar Bowl winner vs the Orange Bowl winner (East Regional) in a neutral site game, and the winners of those contests would advance to the championship game.

The reason this would work is that it incorporates the existing bowls and conference tie ins, as well as the existing conference championship games, and does it in such a manner that a BCS team that is left out really can't complain about it because if they had been a top-two team in their conference they would be in.

This year's bracket would have looked like:

Big Ten: OSU v Michigan

Pac-10: Arizona State v USC

Big 12: Missouri v Oklahoma

At-Large: Kansas v Hawaii

SEC: LSU v Tennessee

Big East: WVU v Connecticut

ACC: VT v BC

At-Large: Georgia v Florida

Assuming (for argument) that the first team listed wins all of those games, the next round would look like this:

Rose Bowl: OSU v Arizona State

Fiesta Bowl: Missouri v Kansas

Sugar Bowl: WVU v LSU

Orange Bowl: Georgia v VT

Again assuming the first team listed (higher ranked team) wins, we'd see the following semifinal matchups:

West region final: Missouri v OSU

East region final: WVU v Georgia

Which leads us to the championship game, which (first team winning, again) would look like:

Title game: Missouri v West Virginia

Which is what it looks like it will be barring any further upsets of #1 or #2.

That said, under this scenario two teams currently ranked in the top 16 of the BCS would be left out in favor of lower ranked teams; #15 Illinois, left out due to finishing third in the Big Ten in favor of #30 Michigan, who posted a better conference record and beat the Illini; and #16 Clemson, who finished second in the ACC Atlantic behind Boston College and was left out in favor of #26 Connecticut, who finished second in the Big East.

The only thing this suggestion does? Makes nonconference games virtually meaningless to the national title picture. For example, LSU and Tennessee have both posted 6-2 conference records and one will win the conference with two losses. The conference title game would remain the same even if the two teams had both lost all four of their nonconference games; meaning that it's a realistic possibility that a team with injury issues or consistency problems could lose six games overall and still win the national title with an overall 10-6 record. But I'll take that downside if it means we have a real, definitive champion and no 'this team should have gone to the game' bulls***.

[timothy1997 0]

Big Ten: OSU v Michigan

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So Michigan gets to go ranked #30 and with an 8-4 record but Illinois who finished #15 and was 9-3 gets shafted. No way!!

What about the Big 12 with Kansas, Mizzou and Oklahoma all being in the top 10 overall.

Also where does this whole thing leave Notre Dame??? Obivously they weren't great this year but if they finished 10-1 or undefeated, would they be out as well??

I am up for a similar type of "bracket" like in basketball, like they use in divison 2 or I-AA.

Edited November 26, 2007 by timothy1997

[timothy1997 0]

Here is my idea for a 16-team bracket tournament.

--Schools are assigned in order of the BCS ranking system.

--Conferences are only allowed to send a max of 3 teams in the tournament.

--Schools must have at least 9 wins.

--Conference championships and army-navy game must be played thanksgiving weekend.

--Seeding would be like NCAA tournament. #1 vs #16, #2 vs #15..etc.

--Round 1 games would be at these 8 neutral sites: Charlotte, Jacksonville, Indy, Minneapolis ,Memphis, Tampa Bay, Houston, San Diego

--Round 2 games held at these neutral sites: Atlanta, Dallas, Detroit & one of the following locations(perferrably the one that hosted the NC game previous year): Pasadena, Glendale, New Orleans, Miami

--Round 3 would be held at 2 of these 4 locations, not used in round 2: Pasadena, Glendale, New Orleans, Miami

--Round 4 (championship game) would be held at the 1 remaining of the final 4 locations, not used it either round 2 or 3.

--Schools would be assigned locations in rounds based on closest proximity to schools.

Example this year would go as such.

Bowl Champ. Series

1. Missouri

2. West Virginia

3. Ohio State

4. Georgia

5. Kansas

6. Virginia Tech

7. LSU

8. USC

9. Oklahoma

10. Florida

11. Boston College

12. Hawaii

13. Arizona State

14. Illinois

15. Clemson

16. Oregon (assuming oregon beats Oregon State)

Assuming favorites win

Round 1 (12/8/07-12/15/07)

Missouri vs Oregon at Minneapolis

West Va vs Clemson at Indy

Ohio State vs Illinois at Memphis

Georgia vs Arizona State at Tampa

Kansas vs Hawaii at Houston

Va Tech vs BC at Charlotte

LSU vs Florida at Jacksonville

USC vs Oklahoma at San Diego

Round 2 (12/22/07-12/26/07)

Missouri vs USC at Dallas

West Va vs LSU at Detroit

Ohio State vs Va Tech at Atlanta

Georgia vs Kansas at Glendale

Round 3 (12/29/07-1/1/08)

Missouri vs Georgia at Pasadena

West Va vs Ohio State at Miami

Round 4 (1/5/08)

Missouri vs West Va at New Orleans

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

how the f*** would it take to much time?

we have to wait a whole ******* month before i get to watch michigan play again.. in that time you could be having playoffs.

Like Red said they are student athletes! This isn't basketball where they can play 2 or 3 times in a week for the tourny. In football you need a week to prepare, rest, ect. That would add 8 weeks to a already long, intense season. If they ever started a playoff it would not be 16 teams. It would be less, and like I already said if there are less then 16 it solves nothing because a handful of teams will not stop crying just like they are now.

[BlakChamber 8]

1-AA, D2, and D3 somehow manage to have a working playoff system. There's no reason D1 can't.

I'd say keep it at 8 teams. Each of the conference champions and the next two teams using the BCS rankings.