2007 College Football Season Talk

[timothy1997 0]

I wonder on how many of the weasels will have this picture posted as their wallpaper in the next few days.

Nice catch and good picture. It will haunt me until next year.

[Guest RedWingsFever]

A beautiful thing.

Thats right!!! Hail to the victors baby!!!!

[rwfan007 18]

did I almost witness a MSU upset? I guess all Henne needs to do now is beat OSU

[betterREDthandead 58]

One thing that hasn't been mentioned: How about Shawn Crable's crazy hustle to run down Javon Ringer? Won't get mentioned in print much, because MSU scored anyway, but Crable was knocked to the ground and sprinted probably about 85 yards, pushed a blocker out of the way at full tilt, and made the tackle. Unbelievable hustle. Worth a couple helmet stickers if U-M still handed them out.

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

One thing that hasn't been mentioned: How about Shawn Crable's crazy hustle to run down Javon Ringer? Won't get mentioned in print much, because MSU scored anyway, but Crable was knocked to the ground and sprinted probably about 85 yards, pushed a blocker out of the way at full tilt, and made the tackle. Unbelievable hustle. Worth a couple helmet stickers if U-M still handed them out.

That was impressive.

I actually made the mistake of making fun of one of my Michigan friends, should've known that with MSU, the game wasn't over.

Wisconsin put a scare into us today. The secondary was playing awful and the offense was just not very effective for the first three quarters. But, in time Beanie wore them down and took over.

[Skiing - Puck 0]

I was at the MSU-Michigan game tonight. While I am frustrated that State could not hold on and win, I still am pleased with how they didn't give up and kept pluging away. At the end of the game several State"fans" were screaming for Dantonio to be fired immediatly because of he play calling. I think that by next year State will be doing much, much better and probably in two years be challenging for the Big Ten crown. People need to give Coach Dantonio time to get in some of his own recruts.

[Matt 1,049]

One thing that hasn't been mentioned: How about Shawn Crable's crazy hustle to run down Javon Ringer? Won't get mentioned in print much, because MSU scored anyway, but Crable was knocked to the ground and sprinted probably about 85 yards, pushed a blocker out of the way at full tilt, and made the tackle. Unbelievable hustle. Worth a couple helmet stickers if U-M still handed them out.

That was nucking futs. I saw that on the first replay (after screaming at the TV about who blew the tackle). To go from laying on your damn chest on the far side of the field and going balls-to-the-wall to make the play -- as you said -- some 85 yards away... Wow.

Still can't get over Henne's performance. I'm really, REALLY gonna miss him, Hart and Long next year.

Anyone read Hart's post-game quote when asked about what he was feeling late in the game?

"Sometimes, you get your little brother excited when you're playing basketball -- let them get the lead... And then you come back."

Oooo.... burn!

All kidding aside... this was a helluva game. I was pretty damn nervous up until (literally on my knees in front of the TV) Crable's HUGE sack on 2nd down. After that I didn't think they had a chance at the 1st.

Game balls to Henne and Crable in this one. Wow.

[Matt 1,049]

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Sorry, couldn't resist.

[rwfan007 18]

matt, good one buddy!

[Packer487 3]

I wonder if MSU feels like they lost 2 games today.

[timothy1997 0]

I have an early morning to all you Michigan fans out there. If Michigan wins the next two games and goes to the Rose Bowl, is this season a success? Please tell me why or why not.

My opinion is NO. This team would have left its mark not in the way it won or on winning the big ten and going undefeated like some michigan teams have in the past, but by losing to Appy State. That loss will always be associated with this team.

Edited November 4, 2007 by timothy1997

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

I have an early morning to all you Michigan fans out there. If Michigan wins the next two games and goes to the Rose Bowl, is this season a success? Please tell me why or why not.

My opinion is NO. This team would have left its mark not in the way it won or on winning the big ten and going undefeated like some michigan teams have in the past, but by losing to Appy State. That loss will always be associated with this team.

Yes it will be a success. U-M could have thrown in the towel after being apart of the biggest upset in sports, and getting abused by Oregon. They all could have thrown the blame on one another, and given up on Lloyd Carr, and the coaching staff, but they didn't. The App State lose will hurt forever. If they would have won they would be in National Championship talks. To go on this winning streak after being the joke of the media, and not listen to anyone is very impressive. I have a love hate feeling for Carr, but he deserves tons of credit. They did a heck of a job to save this team.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned: How about Shawn Crable's crazy hustle to run down Javon Ringer? Won't get mentioned in print much, because MSU scored anyway, but Crable was knocked to the ground and sprinted probably about 85 yards, pushed a blocker out of the way at full tilt, and made the tackle. Unbelievable hustle. Worth a couple helmet stickers if U-M still handed them out.

That was ridiculous. I wouldn't shut up when that happened. I still don't know how that is possible, because Ringer is a very fast RB.

[Skiing - Puck 0]

For us Spartan fans who are down in the dumps after yesterdays game, here is a quick pick me up. Its called Whac-a-Wolverine.

Whac-a-Wolverine game

[betterREDthandead 58]

I have an early morning to all you Michigan fans out there. If Michigan wins the next two games and goes to the Rose Bowl, is this season a success? Please tell me why or why not.

My opinion is NO. This team would have left its mark not in the way it won or on winning the big ten and going undefeated like some michigan teams have in the past, but by losing to Appy State. That loss will always be associated with this team.

Abso-*******-lutely it will be a successful season. A successful season at Michigan is defined by beating Michigan State, beating Ohio State, winning the Big Ten championship, and going to the Rose Bowl and hopefully winning it. And as a bonus, the Little Brown Jug is still ours too.

Appalachian State is totally irrelevant. It's only significant because of the label attached to App State: D-IAA. One tiny extra letter A. If it were Toledo, it'd be absolutely awful, but it still wouldn't even be half the issue. And how can you say that it would not be a significant success to rebound from the worst loss in school history and go undefeated in the Big Ten with a schedule including Michigan State, Penn State, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Purdue, and a rejuvenated Illinois?

(Hell, it might not even be the worst loss in school history. Getting the score run up on us in the horses*** - I mean horseshoe - in 1968, 50-14.....that one has got to be considered as well.)

I think you're just trying to pre-emptively downplay a significant achievement. If the Wolverines win the Big Ten and go to the Rose Bowl, reaching for a way to degrade that accomplishment by bringing up App State is frankly fairly poor sportsmanship and sour grapes.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

Abso-*******-lutely it will be a successful season. A successful season at Michigan is defined by beating Michigan State, beating Ohio State, winning the Big Ten championship, and going to the Rose Bowl and hopefully winning it. And as a bonus, the Little Brown Jug is still ours too.

Appalachian State is totally irrelevant. It's only significant because of the label attached to App State: D-IAA. One tiny extra letter A. If it were Toledo, it'd be absolutely awful, but it still wouldn't even be half the issue. And how can you say that it would not be a significant success to rebound from the worst loss in school history and go undefeated in the Big Ten with a schedule including Michigan State, Penn State, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Purdue, and a rejuvenated Illinois?

(Hell, it might not even be the worst loss in school history. Getting the score run up on us in the horses*** - I mean horseshoe - in 1968, 50-14.....that one has got to be considered as well.)

I think you're just trying to pre-emptively downplay a significant achievement. If the Wolverines win the Big Ten and go to the Rose Bowl, reaching for a way to degrade that accomplishment by bringing up App State is frankly fairly poor sportsmanship and sour grapes.

I agree, and I think you have to keep looking back at the team leadership and Carr. I mean how easy would it have been if you are a U-M player to quit? They could have listened to all the garbage about Carr losing his job, or all the Les Miles talk, but they didn't. They knew they could still win the Big 10, and go to a Rose Bowl, and because of their attitude they still are living the dream, with only two more weeks to go.

Edited November 4, 2007 by mannysBETTER3434

[betterREDthandead 58]

Here's a question that might be a bit harsh, but I kind of have to ask.

A Spartan fan is of the opinion that the Appalachian State loss overshadows all of the following achievements combined:

- Beating Notre Dame (even though they suck this year, beating them is always an extra feather in the cap.)

- Winning the Little Brown Jug.

- Winning the Paul Bunyan Trophy.

- Beating Penn State.

- Beating Ohio State.

- Winning the Big Ten.

- Appearing in the Rose Bowl.

Is it fair to wonder if that's a very revealing attitude that highlights the difference between Wolverine and Spartan fans? Namely, that a Spartan fan defines a season by the losses and a Wolverine fan defines it by the wins?

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

Here's a question that might be a bit harsh, but I kind of have to ask.

A Spartan fan is of the opinion that the Appalachian State loss overshadows all of the following achievements combined:

- Beating Notre Dame (even though they suck this year, beating them is always an extra feather in the cap.)

- Winning the Little Brown Jug.

- Winning the Paul Bunyan Trophy.

- Beating Penn State.

- Beating Ohio State.

- Winning the Big Ten.

- Appearing in the Rose Bowl.

Is it fair to wonder if that's a very revealing attitude that highlights the difference between Wolverine and Spartan fans? Namely, that a Spartan fan defines a season by the losses and a Wolverine fan defines it by the wins?

Getting ahead of ourselves?

I get your point though.

[BlakChamber 8]

Sigh, same old Spartans. Well, it's not completely the same old Spartans. John L's team would have just rolled over and died after the first half. But the result is still the same.

As soon as UM got the ball back with 7 minutes to go and the MSU defense started giving them 10 yards on every play, I thought to myself, "I've seen this before and I know how this story ends."

Sure enough.

[timothy1997 0]

Is it fair to wonder if that's a very revealing attitude that highlights the difference between Wolverine and Spartan fans? Namely, that a Spartan fan defines a season by the losses and a Wolverine fan defines it by the wins?

It's an inferior complex with football. Spartans lose a lot more games than Wolverines do. We are sadly used to it.

Edited November 5, 2007 by timothy1997

[eva unit zero 271]

Getting ahead of ourselves?

I get your point though.

It's a response to timothy1997's scenario about 'is the season a success if the Wolverines win their next two games, win the Big Ten, and go to the Rose Bowl?'

[Packer487 3]

I really can't wait to listen to that tool Mike Valenti tomorrow. It's going to be epic. He might not top his post-ND game rant from last year, but it's gonna be supagood.

Pucker pucker pucker!!!!

[timothy1997 0]

The point I make is that assuming Michigan runs the table and wins the big ten, goes to the rose bowl.....what are people going to remember about the 2007 Michigan Wolverines?

The embarassment to Appy State is what they are going to remember. What they SHOULD remember is that this team, down 0-2, rallied around their seniors, picked themselves off the mat, and played as tough as any michigan team i have seen in years. Do not get me wrong. Carr and his staff get all the credit in the world in turning this around, but years from now...what are they going to remember? Will this season be a success despite the loss to appy state?

[eva unit zero 271]

The point I make is that assuming Michigan runs the table and wins the big ten, goes to the rose bowl.....what are people going to remember about the 2007 Michigan Wolverines?

The embarassment to Appy State is what they are going to remember. What they SHOULD remember is that this team, down 0-2, rallied around their seniors, picked themselves off the mat, and played as tough as any michigan team i have seen in years. Do not get me wrong. Carr and his staff get all the credit in the world in turning this around, but years from now...what are they going to remember? Will this season be a success despite the loss to appy state?

If Michigan wins out, it means they've:

Won 10 in a row.

Beat Notre Dame.

Beat Michigan State.

Beat Ohio State.

Went undefeated in conference play.

Won the Big Ten outright.

All of those accomplishments certainly make for a high possibility of a successful season.

At this point, the only thing that has an outcome that would likely not include Michigan in the Rose Bowl. That would be an Ohio State loss against Illinois, followed by an OSU victory against Michigan. The comination of those two outcomes likely means Ohio State falls from the BCS title game, but they would be the Big Ten champ and make the Rose Bowl.

[timothy1997 0]

If Michigan wins out, it means they've:

Won 10 in a row.

Beat Notre Dame.

Beat Michigan State.

Beat Ohio State.

Went undefeated in conference play.

Won the Big Ten outright.

All of those accomplishments certainly make for a high possibility of a successful season.

If all of those things happen, it SHOULD be a successful season. But will it be? With all that has happened and everything leading up to all the seniors that you have seen grown up before your eyes. One Michigan fan that I know after last season said "with everyone coming back, anything short of a National Championship is a failure". Will it be tho. Thats my point. No need to convince me of this being a successful season or not. Just asking for a yes or no answer.

Edited November 5, 2007 by timothy1997

[eva unit zero 271]

Thats my point. If all of those things happen, it SHOULD be a successful season. But will it be? With all that has happened and everything leading up to all the seniors that you have seen grown up before your eyes. One Michigan fan that I know after last season said "with everyone coming back, anything short of a National Championship is a failure". Will it be tho.

That quote in itself is ignorant, given the fact that Michigan graduated most of their starting defense. Michigan was not likely to go to the title game this year unless they went undefeated. Nobody is going to put a one-loss Big Ten team in the championship game because of the popular belief that a two-loss SEC team is superior to a one-loss Big Ten team.