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#581 GoWings1905

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 07:56 PM

The Wings are loaded with solid defensive forwards. I can overlook Brunner's deficiency in that area because he provides the Red Wings with something they severely lack in goal-scoring ability. 

 

I still hope Brunner comes back, but the ship seems to have sailed in Detroit. 


 
 
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Posted 10 July 2013 - 08:17 PM

The Wings are loaded with solid defensive forwards. I can overlook Brunner's deficiency in that area because he provides the Red Wings with something they severely lack in goal-scoring ability. 
 
I still hope Brunner comes back, but the ship seems to have sailed in Detroit.



Unfortunately I agree. We need someone who throws pucks at the net.

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 01:13 AM

Given how desperately Samuelsson is clinging to that extra million he'll make if he's not bought out, does anybody think there's a chance if we offered him 4 million dollars he'd go hide on that one island with Elvis, Bigfoot, and Tupac?

 

Tupac obviously runs the west side of that island... :)



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Posted 11 July 2013 - 03:29 AM

Unfortunately I agree. We need someone who throws pucks at the net.

What's Brett Hull doing?



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Posted 11 July 2013 - 04:28 AM

What's Brett Hull doing?


3 years, 5 mill a year, NTC/NMC geterr done Kenny!!

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 04:38 AM

3 years, 5 mill a year, NTC/NMC geterr done Kenny!!



You're crazy 5m? He is worth at least 13m right now.

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 08:01 AM

You're crazy 5m? He is worth at least 13m right now.


He'll take a discount to come here.. everyone will take a discount to come here!!

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 08:09 AM

As he demonstrated last season, Brunner isn't ready for top-six play. He cannot face up effectively against top defensive opposition, nor defend adequately against top offensive opposition. He works best as a secondary scorer.

 

I agree with this... I felt as playoffs got tougher basically he was a black hole with puck, if it got passed to him even if he was at the far edge of the circle on the boards, he would just spin and shoot puck into goalie's pads. And not with traffic in front, the rest of his linemates hadn't even entered into the play yet or were just starting to cross blue line as they passed it to him.


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 08:33 AM

Given how desperately Samuelsson is clinging to that extra million he'll make if he's not bought out, does anybody think there's a chance if we offered him 4 million dollars he'd go hide on that one island with Elvis, Bigfoot, and Tupac?

They wouldn't trade for him.  Elvis, Bigfoot, and Tupac are all right-handed shots who play the point on the power play.  He'd be redundant there.

 

The best they'd trade us is Jimmy Hoffa, but he tends to disappear during the playoffs.

 

 

 

Back to Brunner... I'm starting to come to terms with not having him back next year, but I hope he comes back someday.

 

I'm also noticing how peculiar it is that he seems to have quite a following with the females around here despite not having the standard good looks.  Maybe we hockey chicks are not as shallow as we thought.



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Posted 11 July 2013 - 08:39 AM

The best they'd trade us is Jimmy Hoffa, but he tends to disappear during the playoffs.

 

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 08:50 AM

I think it's more of the female 'we can change him' thing. 

 

He's a bad boy (won't re-sign, clearly plays rough since he's missing half his choppers) and you all think you can be the one to change a bad boy. ;)

 

 

 

/sexism

 

 

 

I'm also noticing how peculiar it is that he seems to have quite a following with the females around here despite not having the standard good looks.  Maybe we hockey chicks are not as shallow as we thought.


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:11 AM

 

I agree with this... I felt as playoffs got tougher basically he was a black hole with puck, if it got passed to him even if he was at the far edge of the circle on the boards, he would just spin and shoot puck into goalie's pads. And not with traffic in front, the rest of his linemates hadn't even entered into the play yet or were just starting to cross blue line as they passed it to him.

 

I've said it before..... It was his first season in North America, the most games he'd ever played in a season (remember he played in Switzerland before his first crack at the NHL), He came out on fire and hit a wall but rebounded in the playoffs. Thats a very successfull first season on my opinion... he was put through the ringer and worked his way through it. He's a hard working shoot first player that was able to have success in a few different roles. Looks like he will only get better. Sometimes you have to roll the dice and this is an instance where I would roll them for sure.... Unless he wants a ridiculously long contract. Brunner was the player that should have been signed not Alfredsson!



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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:17 AM

Can we stop saying Brunner has played a "Season", it was a lockout shortened half season, in which he had issues with consistency.

 

Not saying he wasn't succesful, just that he struggled in a 48 game lockout shortened season!


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:36 AM

I think it's more of the female 'we can change him' thing. 

 

He's a bad boy (won't re-sign, clearly plays rough since he's missing half his choppers) and you all think you can be the one to change a bad boy. ;)

 

 

 

/sexism

 

 

Nah,  He's more like a little puppy.  Not a bad boy bone in him.



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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:56 AM

I wonder what he's asking for, or if he's being really picky about who he talks with. You'd think someone would have given him $3 mil for 3 years if that's what he wants.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 11:07 AM

He'll take a discount to come here.. everyone will take a discount to come here!!

 

Old meme is old.  Weiss and Alfredsson both signed for market price.


Another day passes and Damien Brunner has STILL not signed with any other team. I really don't know what to make of it. At first I assumed he was trying to decide which team would suit him best. But come on it's been 6 days now, what more does he need to figure out? I wonder if those other teams are also not willing to pay him 3.5-4M? Cause if that is the case, then maybe there still is a slight slight chance of him remaining with Detroit, if Kenny can pull of a trade and create more cap space. It just seems to me that if he has zero interest in re-signing, he would've definitely signed with someone else by now. Maybe he's waiting it out to see what Kenny does.

 

9 of TSN's top 30 UFAs are yet to be signed: http://www.tsn.ca/nh...ature/?id=95306


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 11:18 AM


He'll take a discount to come here.. everyone will take a discount to come here!!


 
Old meme is old.  Weiss and Alfredsson both signed for market price.


Another day passes and Damien Brunner has STILL not signed with any other team. I really don't know what to make of it. At first I assumed he was trying to decide which team would suit him best. But come on it's been 6 days now, what more does he need to figure out? I wonder if those other teams are also not willing to pay him 3.5-4M? Cause if that is the case, then maybe there still is a slight slight chance of him remaining with Detroit, if Kenny can pull of a trade and create more cap space. It just seems to me that if he has zero interest in re-signing, he would've definitely signed with someone else by now. Maybe he's waiting it out to see what Kenny does.


 
9 of TSN's top 30 UFAs are yet to be signed: http://www.tsn.ca/nh...ature/?id=95306


Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 11:43 AM

While I'm personally disappointed that Brunner isn't on the team, I'm not mad about it.  The part of this that people ignore is what happens next offseason.  Tell me if you agree with the following statements, or if they're at least in the ballpark of 50/50:

 

  • The Wings will benefit from a veteran presence and additional Top 6 forward who can score.
  • Alfredsson is a safer bet to be more productive than Brunner in 2013-14. 
  • Having $5.5 million in new cap space next offseason is preferable to the $2 to $3 million we would have as the difference between Alfie and Brunner

 

Yes, we signed Alfredsson "instead" of overpaying Brunner, but Alfredsson's money is completely off the books next year.  In the NBA, an "expiring contract" is a valuable commodity.  Teams will purposefully trade for old, overpaid players so that they get the cap room.  If you think of Alfredsson as a pretty useful "expiring contract" who will help this year, what's not to like?

 

And the reality about Brunner is that wasn't Brunner vs. Alfie, or Brunner vs. Cleary.  It was Brunner vs. Brunner's price tag.  If I blast the Wings all season for giving a 3-year deal to Jordin Tootoo that isn't worth his cap hit, I have to be intellectually honest about the fact that I can't say with strong confidence that Brunner will be anything better than a 3rd liner making $3 million a year.  He could be a 30-goal scorer and a steal, but there's zero guarantee of that. 

 

Far more often than not, when the Wings let go of or lost a player to FA who has become overpriced, they made the right decision (Lapointe, Fedorov, Leino, Hudler, etc.).



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Posted 11 July 2013 - 01:02 PM

Not just with brunner, but all FA's, I think its odd that there has been very little signings by any team since the second day of free agency. I havent even heard any chatter beside that idiot "insiderr"


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 01:05 PM

Pure speculation but maybe there are some deals going on in the background and most GMs and/or players are just waiting how they work out to decide on which team they sign after those deals are done ?


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