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Guest Crymson   
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That makes sense. Same with Richards, Hossa, Franzen (please?). You keep them at their artificially low cap hit for as long as possible, you reduce the amount of money you're paying them not to play, and you still have them off the books at the end of their contract when they're old and over-paid (per cap) and avoid the brutalising early retirement penalties.

I still don't get this notion some people have that the organization would benefit from buying out one of its best scorers. Exactly who would replace him?

The chances of Hossa being bought out are slim to none. The entirety of the talk on this comes from a speculative NYPost article that has been incessantly referenced by hockey writers. Hossa is a vital part of Chicago's roster.

Really? If I understand the CBA correctly, that means say TB do this to Lecavalier, he get picked up by say NYI, plays a few years, and then retires before his contract is up, TB still get hit with the early retirement penalty, yes?

As far as I know, TB would only be stuck with the early retirement penalty were they to trade him.

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From TSN:

NHL Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly sent out a memo to all 30 teams this week, warning them to play by the book when it comes to buyouts and trades.

Daly's memo warned that any trade/buyout/re-acquire scenario would be deemed a circumvention of the collective bargaining agreement. The CBA prevents teams from re-signing players they've bought out for one year.

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Owners cheating? Interesting.

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Renaud Lavoie ‏@RenLavoieRDS 6m

Just learn that the Lightning will buy out Vincent Lecavalier contract. #RDS

One of the big buyout questions answered.

Yeah - just saw that on TSN...

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=426423

Would love Vinny....

If I were gonna spend $6 million on a UFA...Screw Horton - get me some Vinny!

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Wouldn't mind having Vinny in Red and White!

Who wouldn't??!!

That said - me thinks Habs GM Marc Bergevin will be in touch with Vinny's agent.

I'm certain it'll be an interesting 2013 NHL draft weekend; unlike the past few years there'll be some moves be it draft picks, or roster players.

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Vinny would bring alot of size, heart and leadership. Not sure if we'd be interested or not, but if we can't get the big winger, wouldn't mind the big center.

losing filpula should make us more than interested.. at least for a 2-3 year contract.

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Yeah - just saw that on TSN...

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=426423

If I were gonna spend $6 million on a UFA...Screw Horton - get me some Vinny!

Because he's getting bought out, the next contract he'll sign will probably be low. Hopefully Stevie told him how great it was to play in Detroit.

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Guest The Axe   
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Lecavalier, Stamkos, St. louis, and Hedman

For

White, Bertuzzi, Sammuelsson, Cleary, Filppula, Tootoo, and Colaoccovo.

Yzerman fired by Tampa Bay. Rejoins Red Wings as assistant GM.

.......(wakes up)........

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Lecavalier, Stamkos, St. louis, and Hedman

For

White, Bertuzzi, Sammuelsson, Cleary, Filppula, Tootoo, and Colaoccovo.

Yzerman fired by Tampa Bay. Rejoins Red Wings as assistant GM.

.......(wakes up)........

At the press conference, Yzerman tears opens his dress shirt to reveal his Red Wings sweater, super kicks Phil Esposito. Red Wings'

blares through the PA as Jim Ross screams, "My God! He's back! He's back! He's back!" and the show fades to black.

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At the press conference, Yzerman tears opens his dress shirt to reveal his Red Wings sweater, super kicks Phil Esposito. Red Wings'

blares through the PA as Jim Ross screams, "My God! He's back! He's back! He's back!" and the show fades to black.

Yes Yes!!!

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Can someone explain to me why the Habs bought out Gomez? Wasn't he traded (or something) to SJ? *confused* Or was he actually bought out earlier this year? I recall him signing for like 1.25mil with SJ. If that's the case, why was that allowed before the 'buyout window'? I don't recall if the teams were allowed an 'emergency buyout' once the CBA was actually renewed.

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Can someone explain to me why the Habs bought out Gomez? Wasn't he traded (or something) to SJ? *confused* Or was he actually bought out earlier this year? I recall him signing for like 1.25mil with SJ. If that's the case, why was that allowed before the 'buyout window'? I don't recall if the teams were allowed an 'emergency buyout' once the CBA was actually renewed.

buyout. Yes teams were allowed to use one before the season started.

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I still don't get this notion some people have that the organization would benefit from buying out one of its best scorers. Exactly who would replace him?

First - for how many more seasons is Franzen going to be a 25 goal scorer? He's 33 right now. He's got another SEVEN seasons with a $4M cap hit. Once his production starts declining, since he contributes nothing else, how much longer does $4M stay good value for money?

Second - The early retirement penalties that have been brought in are a biatch. No-one expected the likes of Franzen to see out their contracts, now if he retires early, its the Wings who get punished while he sits on his mountains of cash.

Third - I hate the message that Franzen sends to our youngsters. Have a couple of half-decent seasons, sign a mega-bucks lifetime contract and coast your way into retirement

Fourth - As I already mentioned, we've had the best years of Franzen's contract - the years of artificially low cap hit with decent production. The contract is only going to get worse from here on out. If we buy him out after next season, he'll be 34 and we "only" have to pay him $12M for the remainder of his contract.

Fifth - We have lost MUCH worse players than Franzen over the years. Many and more of them, and we've always been OK. We'll survive without Franzen too.

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First - for how many more seasons is Franzen going to be a 25 goal scorer? He's 33 right now. He's got another SEVEN seasons with a $4M cap hit. Once his production starts declining, since he contributes nothing else, how much longer does $4M stay good value for money?

Second - The early retirement penalties that have been brought in are a biatch. No-one expected the likes of Franzen to see out their contracts, now if he retires early, its the Wings who get punished while he sits on his mountains of cash.

Third - I hate the message that Franzen sends to our youngsters. Have a couple of half-decent seasons, sign a mega-bucks lifetime contract and coast your way into retirement

Fourth - As I already mentioned, we've had the best years of Franzen's contract - the years of artificially low cap hit with decent production. The contract is only going to get worse from here on out. If we buy him out after next season, he'll be 34 and we "only" have to pay him $12M for the remainder of his contract.

Fifth - We have lost MUCH worse players than Franzen over the years. Many and more of them, and we've always been OK. We'll survive without Franzen too.

The last four points reinforce the main point, but the first point is all that really matters. He is our top goal scorer, however, that will change weather he's on our team or not. He was on pace for another 28 goal season, which is great, and he's still a useful player right now but his style of play will wear down his body fast and for a guy that used to be huge for us in the playoffs, he's done pretty much nothing over the past 3 playoff runs. He won't get better, he will get worse and I think it would be foolish for this to end any other way other than a buyout. The Wings cannot get stuck with this contract after he turns 35.

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