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Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

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That's only because of our ridiculous strategy of overripping players. It's normal for us to keep guys in the farm despite being the better choice to guys on our current NHL roster.

Look at what happened this season. We started Sammy and Cleary over Nyquist and Tatar. In what freaking universe is that a logical decision?

Jarnkrok will make the Preds roster next season simply because he will be given a chance to do so, and all what we're feeling now will just be worse when we see Jarnkrok in the big league doing great.

Jarnkrok MIGHT make the Predators next season because they're a team in the bottom half of a stacked conference right now in a rebuild mode.

He wouldn't help the Wings for at least the next 2 years, while Legwand will help now and assist us in getting to the post-season, where as we saw last year, anything can happen.

I strongly believe that Legwand may re-sign, (purely based on knowing that he's a hometown guy) which further makes this a better deal. That would bolster our depth down the middle and allow us to play Pav and Hank together, which as we all know, makes for a killer top line (either with Nyqvist or Franzen on the wing).

And if you think our strategy is so ridiculous, then how come we keep making the playoffs in a salary cap world where drafting and developing is everything and not doing so will leave you in a massive hole (see Toronto).

Everyone here is so quick to complain that KH is trying to ruin this team's future, when actual fact is, everyone forgets what has gone before. 22 straight years. I can't even contemplate how they feel in TO, Calgary or Edmonton.

Datsyuk going down for 3 weeks necessitated this move. And IMO its a good one. I for one am looking forward to seeing what Legwand can do to help our team down the stretch.

For all Jarnkrok could have been, that is exactly that. Could. He's in a different conference, and most likely won't be having the kind of impact that most of us could imagine for a couple of years from now. In which time we may get lucky enough to keep playing playoff hockey for the next few years improving our team, while the Predators are playing golf. Seems like a good deal to me.

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I do not like this trade. It smacks of complete desperation. For what - a chance of getting into the playoffs, as slim as that may seem. Jarnkrok was still the best chance of a better than average centre for years to come. Dats and Z's years are numbered. Z may not even return and if he does, will he be the same? All things considered, dumb trade.

I hated this trade until I found out the story with Jarnkrok maybe heading back to Europe to play. I'd rather get another 2nd line C than lose Jarnkrok for nothing. I'm actually warming up to it a bit now. Also, I'm gonna throw my feet up and wait to see who comes to the Wings from Europe and what goes on this summer.

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I will also take a wait and see approach with this move...

The fact that Pav, Z, Weiss, now Helm are out means we need a veteran center badly. We had no leverage at the trade deadline.

I really like Eaves, but his time here is over. Jurco and Sheahan have played their way onto the team.

Calle has been one of our most highly rated prospects for some time, but here are 3 things to consider: 1. he might go back to Europe (most people have mentioned this) 2. He is yearS away from making the Wings roster. Sheahan is better than him, so is Andersson (who might have to play wing or on the bench next year)... we have a ton of centers (when healthy) 3. He is tiny (5'11" (maybe) and 165 lbs)... how would that ever help us?

The part of the trade that I dislike the most is the conditional pick that turns into a 2nd if we make the playoffs... It should have been a solid 3rd, that's it.

Now if we do end up re-signing Legwand (not sure how likely that is) what do we do with our lines next year? We will have too many centers.

Assuming Alfie comes back...

Z-Pav-Alfie

Nyquist-Helm-Mule

Tatar-Sheahan-Jurco

Weiss-Legwand-Abby

Andersson-Miller

???????????????????

somebody else needs to go. We should seriously consider buying out Weiss and cutting our losses. We still have that compliance buyout.

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I will also take a wait and see approach with this move...

The fact that Pav, Z, Weiss, now Helm are out means we need a veteran center badly. We had no leverage at the trade deadline.

I really like Eaves, but his time here is over. Jurco and Sheahan have played their way onto the team.

Calle has been one of our most highly rated prospects for some time, but here are 3 things to consider: 1. he might go back to Europe (most people have mentioned this) 2. He is yearS away from making the Wings roster. Sheahan is better than him, so is Andersson (who might have to play wing or on the bench next year)... we have a ton of centers (when healthy) 3. He is tiny (5'11" (maybe) and 165 lbs)... how would that ever help us?

The part of the trade that I dislike the most is the conditional pick that turns into a 2nd if we make the playoffs... It should have been a solid 3rd, that's it.

Now if we do end up re-signing Legwand (not sure how likely that is) what do we do with our lines next year? We will have too many centers.

Assuming Alfie comes back...

Z-Pav-Alfie

Nyquist-Helm-Mule

Tatar-Sheahan-Jurco

Weiss-Legwand-Abby

Andersson-Miller

???????????????????

somebody else needs to go. We should seriously consider buying out Weiss and cutting our losses. We still have that compliance buyout.

No smart GM is going to count on Helm to be healthy and be an effective 2nd line center for a whole year. I wouldn't be surprised if Holland buys him out. Then this place will really explode.

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I will also take a wait and see approach with this move...

The fact that Pav, Z, Weiss, now Helm are out means we need a veteran center badly. We had no leverage at the trade deadline.

I really like Eaves, but his time here is over. Jurco and Sheahan have played their way onto the team.

Calle has been one of our most highly rated prospects for some time, but here are 3 things to consider: 1. he might go back to Europe (most people have mentioned this) 2. He is yearS away from making the Wings roster. Sheahan is better than him, so is Andersson (who might have to play wing or on the bench next year)... we have a ton of centers (when healthy) 3. He is tiny (5'11" (maybe) and 165 lbs)... how would that ever help us?

The part of the trade that I dislike the most is the conditional pick that turns into a 2nd if we make the playoffs... It should have been a solid 3rd, that's it.

Now if we do end up re-signing Legwand (not sure how likely that is) what do we do with our lines next year? We will have too many centers.

Assuming Alfie comes back...

Z-Pav-Alfie

Nyquist-Helm-Mule

Tatar-Sheahan-Jurco

Weiss-Legwand-Abby

Andersson-Miller

???????????????????

somebody else needs to go. We should seriously consider buying out Weiss and cutting our losses. We still have that compliance buyout.

WHY???!!! Because he had a bad 22 games? That's less than 4% of his NHL career. People assessing his worth on those 22 games are not seeing a clear picture.

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105.1: He basically said Calle was never going to get a shot with the Wings. Too many of ahead him. Did him a favor by moving him, did us a favor by getting some immediate value.


Buy out Helm/Weiss, call up Jarnkrok, go golfing, win cup

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I will also take a wait and see approach with this move...

The fact that Pav, Z, Weiss, now Helm are out means we need a veteran center badly. We had no leverage at the trade deadline.

I really like Eaves, but his time here is over. Jurco and Sheahan have played their way onto the team.

Calle has been one of our most highly rated prospects for some time, but here are 3 things to consider: 1. he might go back to Europe (most people have mentioned this) 2. He is yearS away from making the Wings roster. Sheahan is better than him, so is Andersson (who might have to play wing or on the bench next year)... we have a ton of centers (when healthy) 3. He is tiny (5'11" (maybe) and 165 lbs)... how would that ever help us?

The part of the trade that I dislike the most is the conditional pick that turns into a 2nd if we make the playoffs... It should have been a solid 3rd, that's it.

Now if we do end up re-signing Legwand (not sure how likely that is) what do we do with our lines next year? We will have too many centers.

Assuming Alfie comes back...

Z-Pav-Alfie

Nyquist-Helm-Mule

Tatar-Sheahan-Jurco

Weiss-Legwand-Abby

Andersson-Miller

???????????????????

somebody else needs to go. We should seriously consider buying out Weiss and cutting our losses. We still have that compliance buyout.

Don't know about you, but that looks like a pretty deep team up front. Or am I the only one who would be happy with that? Probably swap Helmer with Legwand or Weiss and you've got a strong forward core.

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Lol. What most experts rated our best prospect in Holland's world would have never gotten a shot.

Is he delusional or just out of the loop?

That wasn't exactly what he said. He said he wouldn't have made the team next year with Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Weiss, Helm, Tatar, Nyquist, Jurco, etc. At best he might have been the 12th forward. The fact that it was an issue lends credence to the NHL or Sweden rumor.

Jarnkrok is also being sent to the Preds AHL team. If he was so good right now, why wouldn't they call him up to take Legwand's roster spot?

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Lol. What most experts rated our best prospect in Holland's world would have never gotten a shot.

Is he delusional or just out of the loop?

Filpula was a better prospect than ironhook. Jarnkrok was still 2 years away, and is all ready 22. I really can't understand what all the fuss is about.

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105.1: He basically said Calle was never going to get a shot with the Wings. Too many of ahead him. Did him a favor by moving him, did us a favor by getting some immediate value.

Buy out Helm/Weiss, call up Jarnkrok, go golfing, win cup

Are they able to buy out Weiss? I was under the impression that only players that were under contract before the lockout could be bought out. I could be wrong.

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Lol. What most experts rated our best prospect in Holland's world would have never gotten a shot.

Is he delusional or just out of the loop?

Agree with Ken.With our iron men group of centers,he'd never get a shot :innocent:

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Are they able to buy out Weiss? I was under the impression that only players that were under contract before the lockout could be bought out. I could be wrong.

The can buy him out, but not as a compliance buy out. They'd have a cap hit for it.

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Seriously. He basically said that Glendening>Jarnkrok

You guys really don't seem to get it. There's only so many spots for so many roles.

Jarnkrok is not a checker so he's not fighting for the same spot as Glendening.

The 12 most skilled forwards do not make the team....

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Agree with Ken.With our iron men group of centers,he'd never get a shot :innocent:

He could have played in GR and been the first center called up. He apparently didn't like that idea, he wanted to start the year in the NHL. Where would he fit into the lineup? 4th line?

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-FA

Nyquist-Weiss-Franzen

Tatar-Sheahan-Jurco

Miller-Andersson-Abdelkader

Seriously. He basically said that Glendening>Jarnkrok

Glendening is a checker, Jarnkrok isn't. It's about being able to play a role.

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Seriously. He basically said that Glendening>Jarnkrok

Which he probably is right now. Glendening is playing a 4th line grinder role better than Jarnkrok could. Jarnkrok has very good two way play, and would be a much better point producer, but the jump from the AHL to the NHL for a top 6 forward is a lot larger and harder than for a 4th line penalty killer. I don't want to say Jarnkrok couldn't bang in the corners and kill penalties I actually think his defensive game is very underrated, but that is not where he's going to make his mark in the NHL. While he's playing well in the AHL, I doubt the Red Wings or Nashville will call him up right now, plug him in on the second line, give him 2 minutes of powerplay time and 16 minutes a night especially if they want to make the playoffs. He's not ready yet, another off season of strength conditioning and he might be ready.

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Which he probably is right now. Glendening is playing a 4th line grinder role better than Jarnkrok could. Jarnkrok has very good two way play, and would be a much better point producer, but the jump from the AHL to the NHL for a top 6 forward is a lot larger and harder than for a 4th line penalty killer. I don't want to say Jarnkrok couldn't bang in the corners and kill penalties I actually think his defensive game is very underrated, but that is not where he's going to make his mark in the NHL. While he's playing well in the AHL, I doubt the Red Wings or Nashville will call him up right now, plug him in on the second line, give him 2 minutes of powerplay time and 16 minutes a night especially if they want to make the playoffs. He's not ready yet, another off season of strength conditioning and he might be ready.

Sorry, I was under the impression that checkers/grinders are way easier to come by than bonafide skilled centers.

Silly me.

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The can buy him out, but not as a compliance buy out. They'd have a cap hit for it.

Thanks. I think the fact that there would be a cap hit, takes the buyout of the table.

I actually hope he returns soon, so we can at least see what a healthy Weiss looks like.

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