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#141 Dabura

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 05:04 PM

The big concern with Boyle is the deathtrapezoid effect (a big reason why "big and mobile" is the new school), which, in our case, is compounded by our goalie being a terrible, terrible puckhandler. While I'm pro-Boyle, I could see him succumbing to death-by-F1.


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#142 derblaueClaus

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 06:07 PM

The big concern with Boyle is the deathtrapezoid effect (a big reason why "big and mobile" is the new school), which, in our case, is compounded by our goalie being a terrible, terrible puckhandler. While I'm pro-Boyle, I could see him succumbing to death-by-F1.

I see your concern but let's be honest with what Boyle is : A stop gap (admittedly a better than most of our current D-man) till we find a younger replacement, be it from our own young guys or via trade/UFA. While the problem you pointed out would concern me too if we'd sign him longterm I don't think they have that much weight in what this signing will much likley be.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 09:11 PM

If I'm understanding the arguments correctly, we should sign Dan Boyle because he'll give us a right handed puck mover (but not one good enough to help us advance in the playoffs), and he'll provide leadership (but not any more than you already had in Kronwall, Ericsson, and Quincey). 
 
I'm sold. 

 
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Posted 18 June 2014 - 10:13 PM

Nice English comprehension skills.

Yes, that's the real problem around here... kip's first language is logic.


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#145 Dabura

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 09:43 AM

I see your concern but let's be honest with what Boyle is : A stop gap (admittedly a better than most of our current D-man) till we find a younger replacement, be it from our own young guys or via trade/UFA. While the problem you pointed out would concern me too if we'd sign him longterm I don't think they have that much weight in what this signing will much likley be.

 

I'd actually meant to mention that it'd concern me even on a good one-year deal. (FWIW, he's rumored to be looking for two years but may be open to just one.)

 

I'd worry about Boyle's endurance over a full season as a Red Wing. We saw DeKeyser get hurt in that kind of situation. We saw the Ducks hammer Doughty behind his net every chance they got in the second round. It'd be much less of a concern if our goalie could handle the puck (like, I dunno, PETR MRAZEK) and we were great at breaking out of our zone (like, I dunno, A GOOD TEAM).

 

But, all things considered? I'd be thrilled to have the guy on our team. I believe that if we have a healthy Zetterberg, a healthy Datsyuk (dude has not been close to fully healthy for some time now, regardless of what he says), a healthy Ericsson, and Boyle playing in place of one of our bottom-three defensemen, we take the Bruins to seven games and quite possibly take the series and maybe even the Wales Trophy. (Not the Cup, tho. We wouldn't stand a chance against the Kings. Sorry.) Boyle means we actually have a power play to speak of. Boyle means some of our shots from the point actually hit the net. Boyle means we move the puck much better and have an honest-to-goodness transition game and we spend less time in our zone and we score more goals.

 

And if none of that actually comes to fruition? If we sign him and he never really delivers? That's Opportunity for a kid, and we have Dan Boyle on the third pairing or something. I could live with that.


Edited by Dabura, 19 June 2014 - 09:44 AM.

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 09:54 AM

Yes, that's the real problem around here... kip's first language is logic.

 

Actually logic is my second language.  Klingon is my first language. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The rest of the post is much appreciated though. 


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Posted 19 June 2014 - 09:56 AM


 
Need for what?  To compete for a cup, or to barely make the playoffs for two of years before being crushed in the playoffs and then retiring?
 
Seriously, is the goal to get back to Cup contention.  Because if so, Boyle's not going to help us.  He couldn't help the Sharks and they're MILES better than we are.  
 
But if the goal is to make the playoffs, yet not have a realistic chance of winning, then sure, Boyle will help.  All Boyle does is help the Wings stay as mediocre as they are, or marginally improve their averageness.  I'm sick of watching the Wings tread water.
 
It's my preference that we do  what it takes to be a Cup contender, or let the kids play. 


 
But you can't go from middling idiot to top of the class through signing any one player, unless your team is that close anyway (e.g the Hawks). For the Wings and most others, it has to come through a series of signings, trades and prospects that have stepped up the game to the next level. Boyle won't help us win the Cup, but he could be part of a piece that if everything comes together in the right way, will help us win. 

Boyle 3-5 years ago, yes. Boyle now, probably not.

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#148 frankgrimes

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 11:04 AM

The thing with Boyle is this, the Sharks gave him a reduced role and he couldn't even flourish at that on a more staged teams than the Wings are. Even if he is just a stopgap sadly the guy doesn't have the legs to run the PP does he have a high hockey IQ and leadership qualities ? For sure but he is someone you are bring in to either get your team more leadership OR depth signing. The current Boyle does not improve our defensive problems.

 

As for him not signing with the Isles, Charles Wang and Gart Snow running the team is enough for most players - who can choose their own destination - to say no.


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 09:12 AM

With the Isles picking up Boyle, they are showing a need that they want to fill-puck mover on the BL. We have a couple of those young types that are expendable: Kindl and Almqvist. There is a move in there somewhere....... Kindl and Almqvist to the Isles for Matt Martin. I like it!







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