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#1 loutswings

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Posted 13 July 2014 - 09:07 AM

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#2 Ekmanc

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Posted 13 July 2014 - 09:58 AM

Well deserved.



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Posted 13 July 2014 - 10:25 AM

Yea, but no one says what they'd do as GM. I bet if the average Red Wing fan became GM, he/she would make horrible trades and sign over priced UFA's. We'd be like the Leafs and our team would be build around guys like Kessel, Phaneuf, Lupul, Clarkson, van Reimsdyk and Bozak for the next 4 years plus. No thanks, I'll take Kenny, who's building the team with the draft, isn't signing any over priced UFA's, and actually knows how the cap works.

 

I understand signing Quincey and Cleary isn't "sexy", but they're only 1 and 2 year deals. That Niskanen deal is insane! Smith and Dekeyser are going to be better then him. Unless a team has drafted the player, I don't think any UFA should be signed for over 4 years. Do an online search and see how many horrible long term UFA signings there's been since 2005-06. The Wings don't have any bad ones over 3 years. The only potential bad one could be Weiss, but he's got a few years to still make the deal a good one.


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Posted 13 July 2014 - 10:53 AM

No one here is saying they could do a better job as GM. All people are saying is that there are other potential GMs out there that could have better addressed the team's needs. Looking at other organizations like Dallas and Tampa, there is an argument to be made.

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Posted 13 July 2014 - 10:57 AM

Yea, but no one says what they'd do as GM. I bet if the average Red Wing fan became GM, he/she would make horrible trades and sign over priced UFA's. We'd be like the Leafs and our team would be build around guys like Kessel, Phaneuf, Lupul, Clarkson, van Reimsdyk and Bozak for the next 4 years plus. No thanks, I'll take Kenny, who's building the team with the draft, isn't signing any over priced UFA's, and actually knows how the cap works.

 

I understand signing Quincey and Cleary isn't "sexy", but they're only 1 and 2 year deals. That Niskanen deal is insane! Smith and Dekeyser are going to be better then him. Unless a team has drafted the player, I don't think any UFA should be signed for over 4 years. Do an online search and see how many horrible long term UFA signings there's been since 2005-06. The Wings don't have any bad ones over 3 years. The only potential bad one could be Weiss, but he's got a few years to still make the deal a good one.

Yes and Dan Cleary can play better hockey than anyone on this board too.  Like Cleary, Ken Holland is a professional (in theory), who is paid a LOT of money to do his job

 

Pretty much anyone in a professional field is better at their job than someone who isn't part of that field.  But that certainly doesn't mean that an outsider can't objectively see when someone is sucking at their job.

 

Edit: To add to that, if the new standard for managing the Wings is, "well, he's better than fans on a message board," we're in a s**t-tonne of trouble.


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Posted 13 July 2014 - 10:59 AM

Sure we could miss the playoffs and some will still say the exact same thing and use the exact lame excuses we've been hearing since 2009. Yeah and because this team is so great, many reputable and serious sources are having the Wings as UFA losers. I don't need to be a GM to accept the fact that Holland has become too emotionally attached to a declining roster without a real identity.

 

Niskanen would have been instantly this teams best defenseman so yeah what a horrible contract for a 27 old kid.

 

Haha building through the draft yeah right and that's why he traded away the most promising center prospect and a second for two months of Legwand AND created two of the most hilarious  UFA signings. Being too attached happens to the best of them and Holland is no exception here, I just don't understand why the guy doesn't want to move up and let a fresh guy run the show.


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Posted 13 July 2014 - 07:36 PM

Whoever did that to the Wiki page is hilarious.  Holland has become a villain and the write up is well deserved.


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Posted 13 July 2014 - 07:43 PM

I just thought of something.  The reason Ken Holland wants all his players to be overripe and 1000% NHL ready is because in his 1st NHL game he got lit up for 7 goals.  It all makes sense now.


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Posted 13 July 2014 - 07:46 PM

Yea, but no one says what they'd do as GM. I bet if the average Red Wing fan became GM, he/she would make horrible trades and sign over priced UFA's. We'd be like the Leafs and our team would be build around guys like Kessel, Phaneuf, Lupul, Clarkson, van Reimsdyk and Bozak for the next 4 years plus. No thanks, I'll take Kenny, who's building the team with the draft, isn't signing any over priced UFA's, and actually knows how the cap works.
 
I understand signing Quincey and Cleary isn't "sexy", but they're only 1 and 2 year deals. That Niskanen deal is insane! Smith and Dekeyser are going to be better then him. Unless a team has drafted the player, I don't think any UFA should be signed for over 4 years. Do an online search and see how many horrible long term UFA signings there's been since 2005-06. The Wings don't have any bad ones over 3 years. The only potential bad one could be Weiss, but he's got a few years to still make the deal a good one.


Holland made an offer for more money and same term for Niskanen and same with other UFAs so it's not like he isn't making idiotic moves just no one is accepting them

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Posted 13 July 2014 - 07:49 PM

Yea, but no one says what they'd do as GM. I bet if the average Red Wing fan became GM, he/she would make horrible trades and sign over priced UFA's. We'd be like the Leafs and our team would be build around guys like Kessel, Phaneuf, Lupul, Clarkson, van Reimsdyk and Bozak for the next 4 years plus. No thanks, I'll take Kenny, who's building the team with the draft, isn't signing any over priced UFA's, and actually knows how the cap works.
 
I understand signing Quincey and Cleary isn't "sexy", but they're only 1 and 2 year deals. That Niskanen deal is insane! Smith and Dekeyser are going to be better then him. Unless a team has drafted the player, I don't think any UFA should be signed for over 4 years. Do an online search and see how many horrible long term UFA signings there's been since 2005-06. The Wings don't have any bad ones over 3 years. The only potential bad one could be Weiss, but he's got a few years to still make the deal a good one.


I'm not sure if this post is satirical or....

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Posted 13 July 2014 - 08:25 PM

Niskanen would have been instantly this teams best defenseman so yeah what a horrible contract for a 27 old kid.

 

Kronwall's better than Niskanen. I agree with your main point, though.


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Posted 13 July 2014 - 09:00 PM

What a buncha ungrateful fans editing his page like that...



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Posted 13 July 2014 - 10:46 PM

Oh but Holland DOES give out overpriced UFA contracts....see Quincey and Cleary...BOTH overpriced. Waste of money, whether he has $1M in cap space or $100M...they are BOTH grossly overpaid.


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Posted 13 July 2014 - 11:41 PM

Oh but Holland DOES give out overpriced UFA contracts....see Quincey and Cleary...BOTH overpriced. Waste of money, whether he has $1M in cap space or $100M...they are BOTH grossly overpaid.


I really disagree. I think Cleary is definitely worth 150k per game

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Posted 14 July 2014 - 09:27 AM

I know they will both find jobs and this is just obviously in a made up world but would anyone like to see the combination of Shero/Bylsma in Detroit? I've actually always liked Byslma say if Detroit did need to go a different route away from Babcock/Holland who else wouldn't mind seeing them in the D?
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Posted 14 July 2014 - 09:40 AM

I know they will both find jobs and this is just obviously in a made up world but would anyone like to see the combination of Shero/Bylsma in Detroit? I've actually always liked Byslma say if Detroit did need to go a different route away from Babcock/Holland who else wouldn't mind seeing them in the D?

 

I'd take Shero (maybe not over Holland, but if Holland retired or something) but no thanks on Blysma.  I'd rather give Blashill a shot.  From what I see of GR Blashill teaches a very structured system but it's exciting because it seems to be defensively responsible while at the same time generates offense.  Blysma is pure offense and I don't like wide open teams like that.  Teams with big offense and marginal defense rarely make it in the playoffs, as Pittsburgh has shown the last four or five years.


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Posted 14 July 2014 - 11:07 AM

I don't know. I just don't find it funny much. 


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Posted 14 July 2014 - 11:09 AM

Oh but Holland DOES give out overpriced UFA contracts....see Quincey and Cleary...BOTH overpriced. Waste of money, whether he has $1M in cap space or $100M...they are BOTH grossly overpaid.

 

It kills me when posters cite Holland not signing all these UFAs to big deals as a good thing, and that's why we want him, when in fact, he is out there pitching the same huge deals to the UFAs as everyone else, he just keeps getting rejected. How do they conveniently ignore that? And it's not just this year! The stupidity of some of the statements in light of the facts is mind-blowing to me. Holland offers a guy the same deal or a bigger deal, guy signs with other team, and somehow we're lucky to have a GM that doesn't sign UFAs to huge deals? Seriously? I just don't even know where to start when people are so loyal that they can't begin to be even remotely objective about the realities of the situation.


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Posted 14 July 2014 - 11:30 AM

What a buncha ungrateful fans editing his page like that...

 

Yeah, if whoever edited that doesn't like the management style of the best GM in sports, maybe they should follow another team.. :lol:



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Posted 14 July 2014 - 05:39 PM

Bylsma/Shero

 

I wouldbe willing to take a chance on Shero, the guy is a good GM and I still believe the Pens made a huge mistake in firing him.

 

Bylsma no thanks (as an assitatant run the PP) yes, but other than that no ? If you can't get the job done with two of the best - one being the best - player in the world and aren't willing to change your system it doesn't help your case. If Bylsma can figure out how to coach a defensive responsible system with some offense than I would be willing but once we lose Babcock I really hope Blashill gets his chance.


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