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31 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Did some investigating on Button/Tippett

Note: Craigs list is not a mock draft, but his own personal feelings on the ranks of these players. He actually projects that Tippett goes 6th to Carolina.

He ranks Tippett at 20th because he does not feel Tippetts game will translate well to the NHL. According to him, Tippett is a very one-dimensional player who heavily relies on his explosive speed to score on the rush and defeat defenders one-on-one. Button feels that in the NHL, where defenders are much more defensively disciplined, Tippett will effectively lose this aspect of his game, which is essentially all of his offensive game. Specifically, Tippett isn't very good cycling the puck in the zone.

Good to know. But I'm not sure why these things would make Button believe his game won't translate well to the NHL. Hardest things to work on at this stage of development in my opinion, are skating and shooting. Easiest thing to work on, cycling the puck and other fundamentals. Explosive speed, blistering right-handed shot, sounds great to me. Also, we could use a couple guys that are "one-dimensional", that concentrate more so on the offensive side of the game...

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2 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Hischier is 6'1" 176 lbs as an 18 year old and already plays in North America.... (but yes he is born in Europe, so he is naturally inferior)

Agreed.

I'd like to see some other post-combine mock drafts to compare where he's ranked.

Yeah and Patrick is already almost at 200 lbs if not even above it now. His dad also played in the NHL so the kid knows what to expect how to slow the game down and bring a simple game which should translate much better than Hierschiers flashy type of game. Not that hard to understand. Also the reason why I would take Vilardi over Hierschier.

For whatever reason Button is always a fan of more flashy players, proven expert for sure but I believe the best list is always the one McKenzie does because he interviews different pro scouts and based on many ratings a player gets he builds his list.

Anyhow I wish the Wings could just forward this season anbd then kick of the real rebuild next season with a top 3 pick because the chance for that to happen is huge.

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28 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

Good to know. But I'm not sure why these things would make Button believe his game won't translate well to the NHL. Hardest things to work on at this stage of development in my opinion, are skating and shooting. Easiest thing to work on, cycling the puck and other fundamentals. Explosive speed, blistering right-handed shot, sounds great to me. Also, we could use a couple guys that are "one-dimensional", that concentrate more so on the offensive side of the game...

Yeah I see your point. I don't think Butts see Tippett like one would see... say Larkin or McDavid. Tipps is fast... but not that fast. And guys like Larkin and McDavid are extremely creative and versatile, whereas (as Craig would argue) Tippet is not. He leans heavily on the rush in order to score. When in the zone he does not cycle the puck well, or even try to cycle it at all. He almost always tries to move the puck to the center of the ice, or as one might call it a scoring zone. Problem with this is it apparently results in Tippett taking a high volume of low percentage shots, which often results in a turnover. So I think in Button's mind Tippet has mastered one way to play, and that's it. And all its going to take from NHL teams is to anticipate his game and shut it and him down. In my mind this is what makes speedy guys like Larkin and McD so dangerous. You cannot anticipate what theyre going to do. Time will tell if Button is correct or not. Who knows, maybe Tippetts NHL coach can teach him to adjust his game effectively.

Button said the same thing about Virtanen in his draft year, and has been mostly right so far. I don't swear by Craig Button or anything though.

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39 minutes ago, frankgrimes said:

Yeah and Patrick is already almost at 200 lbs if not even above it now. His dad also played in the NHL so the kid knows what to expect how to slow the game down and bring a simple game which should translate much better than Hierschiers flashy type of game. Not that hard to understand. Also the reason why I would take Vilardi over Hierschier.

For whatever reason Button is always a fan of more flashy players, proven expert for sure but I believe the best list is always the one McKenzie does because he interviews different pro scouts and based on many ratings a player gets he builds his list.

Anyhow I wish the Wings could just forward this season anbd then kick of the real rebuild next season with a top 3 pick because the chance for that to happen is huge.

200 lbs? Wowzers. Patrick is definitely the heavier and therefore better player.

I always said the Leafs f'ed up taking Mitch Marner. Should've taken 206 lb Paul Bittner when they had the chance. Suckers.

 

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200 lbs? Wowzers. Patrick is definitely the heavier and therefore better player.

I always said the Leafs f'ed up taking Mitch Marner. Should've taken 206 lb Paul Bittner when they had the chance. Suckers.

 

 

Whatever not worth discussing this. 1. the Leafs have nothing to do with this discussion 2. neither does Marner 3. Playing in the NHL against bigger and more sound defenseman is a different beast maybe one day you'll understand it...

 

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20 minutes ago, frankgrimes said:

 

Whatever not worth discussing this. 1. the Leafs have nothing to do with this discussion 2. neither does Marner 3. Playing in the NHL against bigger and more sound defenseman is a different beast maybe one day you'll understand it...

 

Perhaps we should select this Valimaki kid. He's 204 lbs! Certainly a whole different beast than either Patrick or Vilardi 

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Whatever not worth discussing this. 1. the Leafs have nothing to do with this discussion 2. neither does Marner 3. Playing in the NHL against bigger and more sound defenseman is a different beast maybe one day you'll understand it...
 


Translation: I refuse to admit that I'm wrong, so I'm not going to discuss it anymore

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1 hour ago, Keep Your Stick On the Ice said:

I'm not sure how serious you can take this mock draft when they have Foote going 3rd overall... I'd be thrilled though if this is how it went down and we had the choice between Liljegren and Tippett. I'd pick Tippett, but I definitely wouldn't complain if we went with Liljegren.

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https://www.google.com/amp/www.pensionplanpuppets.com/platform/amp/nhl-draft/2017/6/13/15788682/full-2017-nhl-entry-draft-order-toronto-maple-leafs-draft-picks-by-number

Final draft order. If Tippett is gone at #9, I'd love to see Holland try to swing a deal with St. Louis trading them the #9 and a player (Nyquist/Tatar/Helm) for their #20 & #27. I'd also still like to see if Edmonton would give us the #22 for Mike Green.

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....and I didn't include those names because I feel they're worthless. Quite the opposite. Also I believe it would take more than just the #9 for the 2 Blues picks. That is why I included player(s) I did. It would have to be attractive to St Louis than just the #9. If all we were offering is the #9, I could see them give us the #27 and their 2nd round.

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4 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

....and I didn't include those names because I feel they're worthless. Quite the opposite. Also I believe it would take more than just the #9 for the 2 Blues picks. That is why I included player(s) I did. It would have to be attractive to St Louis than just the #9. If all we were offering is the #9, I could see them give us the #27 and their 2nd round.

You're out of your mind. Teams normally pay a 2nd rounder to move up just a few spots in the teens. You really think they would expect to move up 18 spots, into the top 10, for the same price? Go check out some past trades.

I probably wouldn't even do the #9 for the 20, 27, AND their 2nd.

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i have been sold on Michael Rasmussen for awhile if he is still around by 9 im all for him unless im missing something last time i checked i thought he was top 5 did i miss something iv been working alot dont know if there is a reason he dipped

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8 minutes ago, sjr2012 said:

i have been sold on Michael Rasmussen for awhile if he is still around by 9 im all for him unless im missing something last time i checked i thought he was top 5 did i miss something iv been working alot dont know if there is a reason he dipped

https://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2017/4/11/15259068/dr-dangles-prospect-profiles-michael-rasmussen-c-tri-city-americans-15

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There are basically two players I'd be disappointed if we drafted with our 9th overall pick, Michael Rasmussen and Eeli Tolvanen... Of course those are just two that are projected to go in the top 15 range, obviously many others beyond that. It's Glass, Tippett, Liljegren or Makar for me...

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