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Is the right hockey move to trade Jonathan Toews?

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3 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

If Chicago offers Toews and Kane to us, we take them right away.  For anything, anyone.  Everyone needs to stop kidding themselves around here.

That's a combined $21M against our cap for the next infinity years, and their best days are already behind them.

F*** that.

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Yah, 
 
Howard, Kronwall, Nielsen, and Abdelkader is a way better use of 21 million.

You think anyone is taking that pile of steaming hodor? Hodor that.

BTW I'm now substituting every cuss word with hodor. Hodor you, profanity filter.

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12 minutes ago, DickieDunn said:


You think anyone is taking that pile of steaming hodor? Hodor that.

BTW I'm now substituting every cuss word with hodor. Hodor you, profanity filter.

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Exactly!

 

I love it when people talk about us not being able to take on an expensive contract for a really good player.  But they are perfectly ok with the 8 bad contracts we have on crappy players that are 4 times as expensive collectively.

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1 minute ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Howard, Kronwall, Nielsen, and Abdelkader is a way better use of 21 million.

Howard has two more years left on his deal.

Kronwall has two more years left on his deal.

Nielsen is $5.25M against the cap for the next five years.

Abdelkader is $4.25M against the cap for the next six years.

Nielsen's cap hit + Abdelkader's cap hit = $9.5M.

Kane is $10.5M against the cap for the next six years.

Toews is $10.5M against the cap for the next six years.

Kane's cap hit + Toews' cap hit = $21M.

For the next few years, the Wings should be focusing on drafting and developing a new Cup-worthy core and freeing up cap space when possible. The Wings should not be looking to add veteran players with $10.5M cap hits. I'm not saying Kane and Toews aren't great players. I'm saying the Wings should want no part of their contracts. Maybe if Chicago eats some salary I'm slightly more into the idea. ........But even then, no.

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15 minutes ago, Dabura said:

Howard has two more years left on his deal.

Kronwall has two more years left on his deal.

Nielsen is $5.25M against the cap for the next five years.

Abdelkader is $4.25M against the cap for the next six years.

Nielsen's cap hit + Abdelkader's cap hit = $9.5M.

Kane is $10.5M against the cap for the next six years.

Toews is $10.5M against the cap for the next six years.

Kane's cap hit + Toews' cap hit = $21M.

For the next few years, the Wings should be focusing on drafting and developing a new Cup-worthy core and freeing up cap space when possible. The Wings should not be looking to add veteran players with $10.5M cap hits. I'm not saying Kane and Toews aren't great players. I'm saying the Wings should want no part of their contracts. Maybe if Chicago eats some salary I'm slightly more into the idea. ........But even then, no.

So we are going to ignore DeKeyser, Ericsson, Nyquist, and Helm?  Ehat about their 17 million a year for the squadoosh we get back?  Like I said, the 21 million on Toews and Kane has been WELL spent.  They have brought cups in return.

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5 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

So we are going to ignore DeKeyser, Ericsson, Nyquist, and Helm?  Ehat about their 17 million a year for the squadoosh we get back?  Like I said, the 21 million on Toews and Kane has been WELL spent.  They have brought cups in return.

I don't care that they've won Cups. Their best days are behind them, their combined cap hit is $21M for the next six years, we're up against the cap even without the COMBINED TWENTY ONE MILLION DOLLAR CAP HIT, and it's not like we have a bunch of really attractive pieces that would both interest Chicago and free up the cap space we'd need to add the COMBINED TWENTY ONE MILLION DOLLAR CAP HIT.

Your argument basically boils down to "Kane and Toews are great and any team would love to have them." Which is true enough. However, this is a salary cap league. It's not as simple as saying "These guys are better than our guys, so we should do everything in our power to acquire them." We're a basement team and we're up against the cap. Getting younger and faster and slowly trimming our existing financial fat is our path forward. Adding the two biggest contracts in the league would be antithetical to that plan and could potentially kill our rebuild before it even begins.

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56 minutes ago, Dabura said:

I don't care that they've won Cups. Their best days are behind them, their combined cap hit is $21M for the next six years, we're up against the cap even without the COMBINED TWENTY ONE MILLION DOLLAR CAP HIT, and it's not like we have a bunch of really attractive pieces that would both interest Chicago and free up the cap space we'd need to add the COMBINED TWENTY ONE MILLION DOLLAR CAP HIT.

Your argument basically boils down to "Kane and Toews are great and any team would love to have them." Which is true enough. However, this is a salary cap league. It's not as simple as saying "These guys are better than our guys, so we should do everything in our power to acquire them." We're a basement team and we're up against the cap. Getting younger and faster and slowly trimming our existing financial fat is our path forward. Adding the two biggest contracts in the league would be antithetical to that plan and could potentially kill our rebuild before it even begins.

He's just trolling, it doesn't matter what you say as it won't make a difference.

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2 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

So we are going to ignore DeKeyser, Ericsson, Nyquist, and Helm?  Ehat about their 17 million a year for the squadoosh we get back?  Like I said, the 21 million on Toews and Kane has been WELL spent.  They have brought cups in return.

Actually, they've lost in the first round both years since they started paying them that much.

And I'm no doctor, but I doubt either of them would produce much of anything after we chopped them into pieces so they could also play defense and goalie.

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A few years ago he was better than crosby now he sucks? I don't follow the league very close anymore except for the red wings but I can't believe Toews is as bad as some are saying in this thread even though they got bounced early the last two years.

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1 hour ago, Krayzie_Bone said:

A few years ago he was better than crosby now he sucks? I don't follow the league very close anymore except for the red wings but I can't believe Toews is as bad as some are saying in this thread even though they got bounced early the last two years.

He was never better then Crosby (he was never even close), and he doesn't suck now. Anyone who says either of these statements are just talking in extreme's.

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Call me crazy, but I'm thinking a guy like Toews might be useful in either DC, or Vegas.

Straight up trade for Ovechkin, or Toews to Vegas for pick/s.

EDIT - considering McPhee drafted Ovie, and is now the Vegas GM - maybe he makes a move.

Edited by F.Michael

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4 hours ago, F.Michael said:

Call me crazy, but I'm thinking a guy like Toews might be useful in either DC, or Vegas.

Straight up trade for Ovechkin, or Toews to Vegas for pick/s.

EDIT - considering McPhee drafted Ovie, and is now the Vegas GM - maybe he makes a move.

I dont think it would ever happen, but Ovie on LV would give the team instant credibility. I would guess the Ovie LV jersey would become the best selling jersey in the league.

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5 minutes ago, kliq said:

I dont think it would ever happen, but Ovie on LV would give the team instant credibility. I would guess the Ovie LV jersey would become the best selling jersey in the league.

Indeed.

If Yzerman didn't have it bad in Detroit circa mid 90's - Ovie has it much worse in DC.

IMHO - he will never win the Cup as a Cap - probably at all considering his age, and how the cap influences rosters and such.

He might find some solace if he were moved.

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Curious if people would re-think this now almost a year later. I truly think the right move last off season would have been for the Hawks to trade Toews. He's not worth 10.5 mil/year and the Hawks are now stuck with him for 5 more seasons at that cap hit. 

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On 4/21/2017 at 6:39 AM, F.Michael said:

To be honest I felt the Hawks would be a Cup contender for a few more seasons - that is until this past exit.

Under performing, age, and massive contracts just might see the Hawks slide down the standings sooner than later.

This guy gets it.

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42 minutes ago, kliq said:

Curious if people would re-think this now almost a year later. I truly think the right move last off season would have been for the Hawks to trade Toews. He's not worth 10.5 mil/year and the Hawks are now stuck with him for 5 more seasons at that cap hit. 

They ate going for Dahlin! 

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42 minutes ago, kliq said:

If the Hawks land Dahlin I am done with hockey lol. 

Hopefully the squeak into the playoffs (so they dont get a good pick) and get their asses handed to them again).

What's worse...Edmonton, or Chicago winning the draft lottery?

:bad:

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