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Is the right hockey move to trade Jonathan Toews?

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2 hours ago, kliq said:

Lol ok, you're still going with this. Move toews and bring in whomever and this team is still just as good for the most part.

Yah, you're right.  EA sports keeps putting Toews in the top 5 forwards year after year, Yzerman compared himself to Toews, Toews has 3 cups, a Selke, a Messier leadership award, triple gold status, and 5 time NHL all star.  He's terrible!

2 hours ago, NerveDamage said:

I don't think he is a top 10 player. though I don't  know much about him. what I've seen from Chicago is from when we faced them in the playoffs and in their cup finals.

Zetterberg was fantastic that series.

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3 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Yah, you're right.  EA sports keeps putting Toews in the top 5 forwards year after year, Yzerman compared himself to Toews, Toews has 3 cups, a Selke, a Messier leadership award, triple gold status, and 5 time NHL all star.  He's terrible!

If your best argument to support Toews is EA Sports, I think the debate is already over. Hasn't @kickazz already proved you wrong numerous times about this?

Never said he was terrible, no need to get hyperbolic to push your weak argument. Remember, this thread was to discuss if it is a better move for Chicago to trade Toews and use his 10.5 mil cap-hit elsewhere, not is Toews good or not. I do think Toews is an excellent player, but he is paid like an elite player (he is literally paid more then every player in the NHL other then Kane) but in actuality he is simply just a very good player.

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3 hours ago, kliq said:

If your best argument to support Toews is EA Sports, I think the debate is already over. Hasn't @kickazz already proved you wrong numerous times about this?

Never said he was terrible, no need to get hyperbolic to push your weak argument. Remember, this thread was to discuss if it is a better move for Chicago to trade Toews and use his 10.5 mil cap-hit elsewhere, not is Toews good or not. I do think Toews is an excellent player, but he is paid like an elite player (he is literally paid more then every player in the NHL other then Kane) but in actuality he is simply just a very good player.

I posted the article of kickazz' idol comparing himself to Toews.  Never heard a peep after that.  It was a showstopper, bro-methius.

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9 hours ago, Datsyukian-Deke said:

Takes more than one player to win....or lose a series.

 

absolutely.  But other than Kane, nobody else on that team is making remotely what Toews is.  The missed assignments, giveaways, etc are much harder to swallow from the 10.5M guy than the 2.5M guy

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2 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

I posted the article of kickazz' idol comparing himself to Toews.  Never heard a peep after that.  It was a showstopper, bro-methius.

Ya that's not true.

Either way, I agree with him. I think Toews is a very similar player to Yzerman with one big difference, that difference being he is much less skilled then Stevie. With Yzerman being the most humble athlete ever, he would never actually say that, but 99% of people who actually watched them play would agree.

I will say though, Toews in his prime did play a similar game as the past his prime Yzerman. Toews is a few years will likely be half the player Stevie was in his 30's.

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1 minute ago, kliq said:

Ya that's not true.

Either way, I agree with him. I think Toews is a very similar player to Yzerman with one big difference, that difference being he is much less skilled then Stevie. With Yzerman being the most humble athlete ever, he would never actually say that, but 99% of people who actually watched them play would agree.

I will say though, Toews in his prime did play a similar game as the past his prime Yzerman. Toews is a few years will likely be half the player Stevie was in his 30's.

Good thing Toews has already accomplished more than Yzerman did, then.  

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2 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Good thing Toews has already accomplished more than Yzerman did, then.  

lol, you lost you Bill like magic, unable to bait like you used to. :lol:

Like Toews you are past your prime. Come on, that deserves a spot in the burn book.

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2 minutes ago, kliq said:

lol, you lost you Bill like magic, unable to bait like you used to. :lol:

Like Toews you are past your prime. Come on, that deserves a spot in the burn book.

I am not chalking this debate up as a W, btw.  I won in the other thread, and this was just a re-closing of that old argument.  So you don't take an "L" here.  Just looking very homerish, is all.  Captain Serious is well respected around the league and internationally for his stellar play.

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1 minute ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

I am not chalking this debate up as a W, btw.  I won in the other thread, and this was just a re-closing of that old argument.  So you don't take an "L" here.  Just looking very homerish, is all.  Captain Serious is well respected around the league and internationally for his stellar play.

Like your avatar, you held on as long as you could but in end we all know what happened.

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I thought we would be a good trade partner with them but seeing those salaries it doesn't seem to make sense. I know they had interest in Gus around the trade deadline but the only logical contract coming back our way that plays D is Hjalmarrson but I don't think they are trading him.  Man I thought we had contract issues.  Crawford and Seabrook both at 6 + million and now the Panarin contract will be on the books at 6+ next year + 21 milliion tied up in Toews and Kane.  Looks good on them. Their play reminds me so much of how the Wings played after 08-09, they look tired, still good enough to make the playoffs but it would take an unreal hot streak to make a run in the playoffs. 

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If they can trade Kane or Toews, either one, they should do it.  They could get a huge return, especially Kane, and it would free up enough cap space so they'd be ok.  Kane is at the top of his game now, but how long is he going to keep scoring like that?  Once his production dips, he's going to be an albatross because that's about all he can do.  Toews at least plays two way hockey and is a leader.

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14 hours ago, kliq said:

Ya that's not true.

Either way, I agree with him. I think Toews is a very similar player to Yzerman with one big difference, that difference being he is much less skilled then Stevie. With Yzerman being the most humble athlete ever, he would never actually say that, but 99% of people who actually watched them play would agree.

I will say though, Toews in his prime did play a similar game as the past his prime Yzerman. Toews is a few years will likely be half the player Stevie was in his 30's.

Yzerman was a much better offensive player in his prime.  How many times has Tayes even finished top 10 in scoring? Tayes right now is the player Yzerman was in his mid 30's.  More focused on two-way play and not putting up the big numbers.

Edited by GMRwings1983

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10 minutes ago, GMRwings1983 said:

Yzerman was a much better offensive player in his prime.  How many times has Tayes even finished top 10 in scoring? Tayes right now is the player Yzerman was in his mid 30's.  More focused on two-way play and not putting up the big numbers.

I 100% agree with you.

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On 21/04/2017 at 7:48 AM, kliq said:

I feel like a lot of people are voting based on this logic which isnt want I was trying to assess. The point of the poll is do you think they should move Toews if there is a market for him.

Ah okay, in that case yes, in a heartbeat. Unfortunately with his contract I don't think the market will be there. As I said, more likely to be there for Kane.

Edit: the problem isn't even "10.5m is too much", it's 6 more years. He's 29 at the end of this month, and he could probably play to a good standard when he's 35. But man no one is taking that money for that term. Even if the market is there to move him, the next market isn't going to be and that will put some teams off

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