Rumors Thread

[krsmith17 7,191]

26 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

What past two seasons???this is his second , and he had 13 last year and at this point it be a miracle if he hit 20 and more than likely a 10-15 range guy 

jensen is a better skater yes but ouellet is smarter and more dependable and it's not like he's a slow f*** .... Anyways I'd much rather keep both and trade green,daley,ericsson but itll never happen

He was on a 21 point pace last season, and is on a 16 point pace so far this season; aka past two seasons... He has 9 points just past the half way point this season, and you think it would be "a miracle if he hit 20"? Why would you suggest that he's a 10-15 range guy when he's exceeded that pace the past two seasons?

What makes you think Ouellet is "smarter"? I've seen him make a few boneheaded plays, just like any depth defenseman. Anyway, like you said, agree to disagree on this one...

[LeftWinger 4,963]

I think Jensen is a keeper.  He's that #5-7 reliable, solid D-man who will never cost you too much money.  XO is a very similar player, but it just seems the RH shot seems to be the thing that make Jensen preferred by the organization.

[Dabura 12,207]

My big problem with Ouellet is his awful straight-line skating. Jensen is an all-around fantastic skater, and that alone is enough for me to rate him higher.

[joesuffP 1,746]

If Ouellett could skate I would take more of a chance on him and see if he can develop further (he’s only 24) but he just has too many shortcomings to be anything more than a borderline #6 D. Jensen has his shortcomings as well but is clearly the better of the two. The Wings bottom pair has actually been pretty good compared to third pairings around the league. Offering up XO is probably only done so guys like Hronek, Hicketts and Russo can get some games to end the year w/o putting someone on IR

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Generally offensive defensemen put up more than 0G 9A in 46 games.  The guy can skate, and that's it.  He'd be in the minors in most organizations.

[krsmith17 7,191]

6 minutes ago, DickieDunn said:

Generally offensive defensemen put up more than 0G 9A in 46 games.  The guy can skate, and that's it.  He'd be in the minors in most organizations.

This again?... People take too much stock into labels. What kind of defenseman would you say Jensen is? He's certainly not a defensive, shut-down or stay-at-home defenseman. Maybe you could say he's a two-way defenseman, but I think he thinks the game more offensively, which is why I'd label him an offensive defenseman.

You don't have to be Karlsson or Doughty to be considered an offensive defenseman. There are several 2nd / 3rd pair defensemen in the league that don't put up big points, that are offensive minded. The term doesn't necessarily mean you have to be a big point producer, it just means you think the game offensively.

Hronek and Saarijarvi are offensive defensemen. Does that mean if / when they make the NHL and don't put up big points, they're no longer considered offensive defensemen? I don't think so...

Why is it that Orpik, McDonagh and Ouellet can all be considered defensive defensemen, but Karlsson, Doughty and Jensen can't all be considered offensive defensemen? Ouellet is nowhere near the level of the other two defensively, just like Jensen isn't anywhere near the level of the other two offensively...

[LeftWinger 4,963]

I remember when we used to talk about the D "kids" and I was always flamed when I would include Jensen in my 7 listed D of our future. That was back when we had all 3 of him, XO, and Marchy. Good times.

[kickazz 5,459]

29 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

This again?... People take too much stock into labels. What kind of defenseman would you say Jensen is? He's certainly not a defensive, shut-down or stay-at-home defenseman. Maybe you could say he's a two-way defenseman, but I think he thinks the game more offensively, which is why I'd label him an offensive defenseman.

You don't have to be Karlsson or Doughty to be considered an offensive defenseman. There are several 2nd / 3rd pair defensemen in the league that don't put up big points, that are offensive minded. The term doesn't necessarily mean you have to be a big point producer, it just means you think the game offensively.

Hronek and Saarijarvi are offensive defensemen. Does that mean if / when they make the NHL and don't put up big points, they're no longer considered offensive defensemen? I don't think so...

Why is it that Orpik, McDonagh and Ouellet can all be considered defensive defensemen, but Karlsson, Doughty and Jensen can't all be considered offensive defensemen? Ouellet is nowhere near the level of the other two defensively, just like Jensen isn't anywhere near the level of the other two offensively...

Lets all meet halfway. Brenden Smith is an offensive defenseman and so is Jensen.

But they are all trash at it. 

You can be labelled as something but it doesn’t mean you’re good at it. 

For instance you could be a blacksmith by trade. But if you suck at your job doesn’t mean you aren’t a blacksmith. You’re just a s*** blacksmith.

That’s what Brenden Smith is. A s***ty offensive defenseman. The numbers prove it.

Edited January 25, 2018 by kickazz

[Dabura 12,207]

I think Jensen is a bottom-pairing NHL defenseman in most organizations. I don't think he'd be in the minors in most organizations.

Pretty moot point, though. If we can get a reasonable return for him, do it. I'm tired of the logjams.

[kickazz 5,459]

16 minutes ago, Dabura said:

I think Jensen is a bottom-pairing NHL defenseman in most organizations. I don't think he'd be in the minors in most organizations.

Pretty moot point, though. If we can get a reasonable return for him, do it. I'm tired of the logjams.

Can we trade Dekeyser

[krsmith17 7,191]

22 minutes ago, kickazz said:

Lets all meet halfway. Brenden Smith is an offensive defenseman and so is Jensen.

But they are all trash at it. 

You can be labelled as something but it doesn’t mean you’re good at it. 

For instance you could be a blacksmith by trade. But if you suck at your job doesn’t mean you aren’t a blacksmith. You’re just a s*** blacksmith.

That’s what Brenden Smith is. A s***ty offensive defenseman. The numbers prove it.

Absof***inglutely. This is basically my point. Defensive defensemen are labelled just that, no matter how good or bad they are. Why are only the good offensive guys allowed to be labeled offensive defensemen? It's dumb. Smith and Jensen are both lower tier offensive defensemen.

[Dabura 12,207]

5 minutes ago, kickazz said:

Can we trade Dekeyser

I wish.

[kickazz 5,459]

10 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

Absof***inglutely. This is basically my point. Defensive defensemen are labelled just that, no matter how good or bad they are. Why are only the good offensive guys allowed to be labeled offensive defensemen? It's dumb. Smith and Jensen are both lower tier offensive defensemen.

Jesus Christ alright after 5 years of arguing I think we have all reach a conclusion then. 

 

[Andy Pred 48 337]

Good old Michigan boy , not happening. DDK on the second pairing is fine, just gotta wait till we get the 2 top guys so it can happen. 

[Dabura 12,207]

Right now, my gut says Tampa's our big dance partner. There's familiarity between the GMs. There's familiarity between the head coaches. There's familiarity between the rosters. There's familiarity between the organizations. The Bolts will probably be looking to add a solid veteran defenseman and we have the best one on the market. The Bolts suck at faceoffs and we have a low-cost faceoff specialist that the Bolts are very familiar with.

Naturally, I really want to get a 1st from a team that ultimately crashes out of the playoff picture. But I dunno that any organization in that kind of position is going to move their 1st this year -- and if they do, it'll probably be conditional, i.e. "If we don't make the playoffs, the 1st becomes a 2nd."

[LeftWinger 4,963]

So Green and disney.com? for a 1st and a prospect?

[krsmith17 7,191]

14 minutes ago, kickazz said:

Jesus Christ alright after 5 years of arguing I think we have all reach a conclusion then. 

It's only because I'm in a kickazz mood, day buzzed, pre-game drinking before heading over to the LCA... 

But yes, Smith never did turn out to the player we hadn't hoped, but he is an offensive defenseman, just a mediocre one (at best) at the NHL level.

 

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

30 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

It's only because I'm in a kickazz mood, day buzzed, pre-game drinking before heading over to the LCA... 

But yes, Smith never did turn out to the player we hadn't hoped, but he is an offensive defenseman, just a mediocre one (at best) at the NHL level.

 

PACK YOUR s***

These worthless players have brought shame and dishonor to this franchise. It disgusts me that Zetterberg even has to play with them. Trade them all.

[Dabura 12,207]

10 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

PACK YOUR s***

These worthless players have brought shame and dishonor to this franchise. It disgusts me that Zetterberg even has to play with them. Trade them all.

Tough but fair.

[chaps80 1,591]

4 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

It's only because I'm in a kickazz mood, day buzzed, pre-game drinking before heading over to the LCA... 

But yes, Smith never did turn out to the player we hadn't hoped, but he is an offensive defenseman, just a mediocre one (at best) at the NHL level.

 

Almost moved him? Most the Oil would offer is a Fourth, with Holland retaining half salary. Or a Fifth with less or no salary retained. Holland wanted a third at least. Plus, he wanted to hang on him (unless there was an offer he couldn't refuse) in case he was needed while they tried to push for the playoffs. There were talks, but I don't think it was THAT close to happening. I know Mrazek's stock isn't high, but a fourth is kind of insulting. If Holland didn't care or didn't have some kind of "what if" moment, he would have taken it.

[joesuffP 1,746]

Buying out Howard in the off season and signing Mrazek for 2 or 3 years would make the most sense. 

[chaps80 1,591]

5 minutes ago, joesuffP said:

Buying out Howard in the off season and signing Mrazek for 2 or 3 years would make the most sense. 

Probably. But Holland seems content on holding onto Jimmy, for better or worse. When he was on the market awhile back he wasn't earning his salary and there wasn't interest, but I think if Holland had offered to retain salary, he could have found a taker. I got the feeling he wasn't trying very hard on it. Those NYI rumours keep circling, but Holland hasn't said anything about it. Plus, he doesn't often use buyouts. Buying out Errorsson would have been a smart move in the offseason, but he just couldn't bring himself to do it. 

He throws young guys around quite a bit, but when it comes to his vets, he has a problem parting ways. I did read somewhere he is looking to trade Howard by the deadline though. Maybe the NYI thing has merit. But i'll take that as bulls*** till i see it happen.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

Howard only has one year left. Buying him out adds a cap hit for two years. No thanks when Weiss is still eating cap space and possible future recapture penalties for Kronner and/or Z. Best to trade or him ride it out. Ditto E.

[marcaractac 3,963]

Trade Howard. Retain salary. He can be moved if Holland wants to move him bad enough. At this point there is no choice but to ride Mrazek for the time being. 

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

Sooooo get hit with a buyout penalty and/or retain salary on our decent goalie, and then re-sign our bad goalie.

I like where this is going.