2019 Trade Deadline

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

I have a question that has nothing to do with trades. Why is Jimmy so fat? And how can he play his position? Did he add weight to make up for the reduction in gear size? So many questions. 

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

1 hour ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

I have a question that has nothing to do with trades. Why is Jimmy so fat? And how can he play his position? Did he add weight to make up for the reduction in gear size? So many questions. 

It's because of his period.

[Akakabuto 1,863]

5 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

MORE TRADES PLZ K THX!!!!!!!!!

 

 

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

1 hour ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

It's because of his period.

Which one? 1st, 2nd, or 3rd.

[kipwinger 8,772]

Charlie Coyle to Boston for their top prospect (Ryan Donato) and 5th rounder.  Looking good for Nyquist's trade value. 

[krsmith17 7,191]

11 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

Charlie Coyle to Boston for their top prospect (Ryan Donato) and 5th rounder.  Looking good for Nyquist's trade value. 

I hope we get a better return than that for Nyquist...

[kipwinger 8,772]

Just now, krsmith17 said:

I hope we get a better return than that for Nyquist...

Well Nyquist is a much better player, so that bodes well.

[krsmith17 7,191]

14 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

Well Nyquist is a much better player, so that bodes well.

For sure, but Coyle is a center, which is why Boyle brought back a 2nd. But yeah, Nyquist should get a pretty good haul I would think (hope)...

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

1 hour ago, kipwinger said:

Well Nyquist is a much better player, so that bodes well.

 

1 hour ago, krsmith17 said:

For sure, but Coyle is a center, which is why Boyle brought back a 2nd. But yeah, Nyquist should get a pretty good haul I would think (hope)...

Coyle is two years younger, still has term, has excellent size. And like you said, he's a center. I wouldn't hold my breath hoping for this type of return for Nyquist. But, you never know. 

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Debrincat has 33 goals and with the way strome is playing the hawks will need some extra cap space soon and I’m thinking maybe we can target anisimov and make them add carlsson(21 yr old dman I liked on his draft year 25 pts in 50 games first ahl season) and a 3rd to take his contract at 2 yrs 4.55 per and then we trade anisimov to a team with say 1.5 retention for another pick

anyone would be down with such a move to bring in more assets? 

[toby91_ca 620]

36 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

 

Coyle is two years younger, still has term, has excellent size. And like you said, he's a center. I wouldn't hold my breath hoping for this type of return for Nyquist. But, you never know. 

Echo this comment.  Suggesting Nyquist is a better player is debatable, suggesting he's much better?  No way.  Combine the other factors already noted, age, term, center, size.....I don't see Nyquist getting the same return, but could be wrong.

14 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Debrincat has 33 goals and with the way strome is playing the hawks will need some extra cap space soon and I’m thinking maybe we can target anisimov and make them add carlsson(21 yr old dman I liked on his draft year 25 pts in 50 games first ahl season) and a 3rd to take his contract at 2 yrs 4.55 per and then we trade anisimov to a team with say 1.5 retention for another pick

anyone would be down with such a move to bring in more assets? 

What is going in the other direction on this deal?

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

1 hour ago, toby91_ca said:

Echo this comment.  Suggesting Nyquist is a better player is debatable, suggesting he's much better?  No way.  Combine the other factors already noted, age, term, center, size.....I don't see Nyquist getting the same return, but could be wrong.

What is going in the other direction on this deal?

Habs got a 4th and 7th pick as well as Joel armia and Steve mason with 1 year left for Simon Bourque who’s now in some Quebec nobody league 

I don’t know ... anisimov, carlsson,3rd round pick for hicketts and a 5th? I can’t assume we’d be giving up lots since anisimov has 2 years left , pay off 1.5 for 2 years and ship him to like Carolina,Arizona or someone else who can use him at 3 mill per for another 3rd and late pick maybe 

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

18 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

I have a question that has nothing to do with trades. Why is Jimmy so fat? And how can he play his position? Did he add weight to make up for the reduction in gear size? So many questions. 

Maybe he read Martin Brodeur's book on proper dieting for goalies.  

[Dabura 12,232]

Make some frking trades, assholes.

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

26 minutes ago, Dabura said:

Make some frking trades, assholes.

No s***, right

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

1 hour ago, GMRwings1983 said:

Maybe he read Martin Brodeur's book on proper dieting for goalies.  

Or he's trying harder to look like Keith so Brady and Mathew stay the f*** out of his crease. 

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

Hagelin to Capitals for a 3rd

 

(edit: and a conditional 6th)

Edited February 21, 2019 by The 91 of Ryans

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

2 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Hagelin to Capitals for a 3rd

 

(edit: and a conditional 6th)

He's the 2016 Darren Helm of the league

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

https://www.tsn.ca/bobcast

 

bob McKenzie trade deadline podcast just got released 

[amato 3,210]

Holding out hope that the quiet week on the trade front leads to a very exciting Monday 

[krsmith17 7,191]

Khan on trading Nyquist

"The Red Wings have three young forwards up for contracts in 2021 (Anthony Mantha, Andreas Athanasiou, Tyler Bertuzzi) and need to make room for a few more in the next couple of seasons (Filip Zadina, Evgeny Svechnikov, Joe Veleno). They're not likely to have the roster spot or money to keep Nyquist."

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

1 hour ago, krsmith17 said:

Khan on trading Nyquist

"The Red Wings have three young forwards up for contracts in 2021 (Anthony Mantha, Andreas Athanasiou, Tyler Bertuzzi) and need to make room for a few more in the next couple of seasons (Filip Zadina, Evgeny Svechnikov, Joe Veleno). They're not likely to have the roster spot or money to keep Nyquist."

Money issue may prevent re-signing him. Mantha, AA, Bert are already on the roster. Subtract Vanek, Frk, and Witkowski. That leaves room for all of Zadina, Svech, and Veleno even with Goose on the roster. Ehn, Turgeon as depth call ups in GR. I don't see a roster issue. Even if that were the case, it would give us the ability to acquire, thru trades, players to fill other areas of need.

Bert-Larkin-Zadina

Nyquist-Veleno-Mantha

Moose-Nielsen-AA

Abby-Glenny-Svech

Helm, DLR 

Now we can trade an AA, Mantha, or Moose for D help.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

So bob McKenzie basically said what we already know not much of a market for Howard and teams aren’t gonna pay what we want .... so unless Columbus trades bobrovsky which I doubt what would you guys take back for Howard at this point?

2 2nds? 2nd and a 3rd  maybe put in a condition on a pick, at this point I’d just take whatever so long as it begins with a 2nd pick+ . I just don’t see the benefit of keeping Howard if anything he’ll prevent us from landing hughes/kakko and seeing how we already screwed ourselves by beating Ottawa and getting ourselves 6 points ahead instead of 2 , and with stone duchene dzingel going we need to find a way to “tank” without tanking and that starts with letting Howard go so we don’t have to suck for 10 years like Edmonton 

[krsmith17 7,191]

15 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Money issue may prevent re-signing him. Mantha, AA, Bert are already on the roster. Subtract Vanek, Frk, and Witkowski. That leaves room for all of Zadina, Svech, and Veleno even with Goose on the roster. Ehn, Turgeon as depth call ups in GR. I don't see a roster issue. Even if that were the case, it would give us the ability to acquire, thru trades, players to fill other areas of need.

Bert-Larkin-Zadina

Nyquist-Veleno-Mantha

Moose-Nielsen-AA

Abby-Glenny-Svech

Helm, DLR 

Now we can trade an AA, Mantha, or Moose for D help.

Helm a healthy scratch? Not going to happen. I don't even think de la Rose would be a healthy scratch or Ehn would play in Grand Rapids in favor of the waiver exempt players, even if they do outplay them. Looking at that lineup, either Svechnikov will be a healthy scratch, or Zadina, Veleno or Rasmussen will be in Grand Rapids... I have no issue with young players having to "earn their ice time", I have an issue with veteran players NOT having to earn their ice time...

Again, I have no issue with signing Nyquist. I have an issue signing Nyquist long-term to a big money contract. He's not going to accept anything short-term, and long-term doesn't work for us... in my opinion.

[Dabura 12,232]

I just keep coming back to the term question. If Nyquist is cool with two years? Cool, bring him back. Three years? Doesn't excite me, but I could maybe live with it. Anything longer than three years? Hard pass. He's going to be 30 soon and he's having a career year in a contract year, so 1) I don't trust that he isn't going to immediately revert to a 48-point player, and 2) he ought to be looking to get paid.

I don't know that signing him necessarily sets us up for a cap crunch in the near future, but it's ~$5M that we don't really need to be giving him (imo) and ~$5M that we wouldn't be able to give to a younger player and/or a UFA target. I'd like to think we're entering that stage of the rebuild where every cap-related decision the GM makes is extremely important, and I'd like to think that with the younger forwards taking over, Holland understands that Nyquist (at ~$5M) is more a luxury than he is a necessity.

Edited February 22, 2019 by Dabura