marcaractac 3,962 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 1 minute ago, kipwinger said: If the guy you wanted will still be there five picks later, and other guys won't, then maybe you want the wrong player? Also, statistically the probability of success drops off significantly the later in the draft you go. So trading back, as a strategy, is not supported mathematically. Everyone values these players differently dude. Especially beyond the first round. Each teams list I can guarantee you varies by a LOT. Having the higher pick means nothing when the player you want will still be there in five picks. Or maybe you have a group of players deemed equal, and by process of elimination, at least one will still be there. I'd agree with you 100% if we were talking about a top 10 overall pick here, but we're talking about 2nd and third rounders. Some GMs will get it right. Most will be very wrong. Only time will tell. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, kipwinger said: If the guy you wanted will still be there five picks later, and other guys won't, then maybe you want the wrong player? Also, statistically the probability of success drops off significantly the later in the draft you go. So trading back, as a strategy, is not supported mathematically. Get back to me in 5-6 years on this. Until then, gotta trust that Steve and staff know best. I’m not concerned about these sorts of moves. 1 F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,962 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 Just now, krsmith17 said: Also Panarin. I like the Marner comp the most for what I've seen of Raymond. Not even close to a Hall or Tarasenko stylistically... Yeah, the Marner comparison is good because they both also realize the game is still going on when you're not in the offensive zone. Wouldn;t be surprised to see the kid play on the PK when he is comfortable at the NHL level. Short-handed threat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, kipwinger said: If the guy you wanted will still be there five picks later, and other guys won't, then maybe you want the wrong player? Also, statistically the probability of success drops off significantly the later in the draft you go. So trading back, as a strategy, is not supported mathematically. LOL no team should have their own list... everyone should just go by the consensus pick... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mackel 679 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) Looks like LA won the draft they got Byfield and Laferriere... Edited October 7, 2020 by mackel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 I mean, it's too bad Yzerman didn't wrassle up another 1st in this draft but no one was able to make this happen. I suspect with a flat cap for the unforeseen future, teams are counting on high end prospects on entry level deals to fill out their rosters now more than ever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/529802/artur-akhtyamov https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/292689/samuel-hlavaj https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/472306/jan-bender https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/473852/dylan-garand One of thems our goalie? Edited October 7, 2020 by nyqvististhefuture Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,962 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 Just now, CatBoyRossi said: 6 more picks to go and potentially more with the way Stephen is behaving We'll get the final round all to ourselves and draft the rest of Frölunda 1 town123 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) Swear if we take another dman lol Edited October 7, 2020 by nyqvististhefuture Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,475 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 Just popped in to see how negative kip would be wasnt disappointed. I'm not sure why he hasnt become gm yet 2 krsmith17 and marcaractac reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtlantaHotWings 982 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 Shall see what happens with all these kids maybe there will be one that is a breakout performer. IMHO Best 2 draft announcements Alex Terbek doing his Jeopardy thang and The Sharks signing the selection for the kids deaf mother 1 amato reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,518 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 16 minutes ago, gcom007 said: Get back to me in 5-6 years on this. Until then, gotta trust that Steve and staff know best. I’m not concerned about these sorts of moves. Why would I trust that? Hockey executives back bad decisions, and lose their jobs because of it, all the time. This draft is a carbon copy of the last one. One decent player and a bunch of depth guys. The Senators drafted 3 times in the first round this year. Six times in the first two rounds. The Devils drafted 3 times in the first round. The Rangers drafted twice in the first. All three of those teams are rebuilding, and in our conference. If you're happy with drafting once in the first, and then crossing your fingers a hoping depth picks pan out then that's on you. But clearly there's another way to approach it. Give yourself more 1st and early 2nd round picks (and don't waste them on stay at home defensemen). 1 mackel reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 Chance at our goalie in bednar? Or chromiak? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,748 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 1 minute ago, CatBoyRossi said: This team used to be cool This is what 10 years of Arizona tier managment does to you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,518 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 21 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: I mean, it's too bad Yzerman didn't wrassle up another 1st in this draft but no one was able to make this happen. I suspect with a flat cap for the unforeseen future, teams are counting on high end prospects on entry level deals to fill out their rosters now more than ever. Tons of first round picks have been traded. Collectively Ottawa, NYR, and NJ picked 8 times in the first round of this years draft. San Jose got a 1st for Barclay Goodrow. I'm not sure how anyone can believe that 1st round picks weren't available. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mackel 679 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, kipwinger said: Why would I trust that? Hockey executives back bad decisions, and lose their jobs because of it, all the time. This draft is a carbon copy of the last one. One decent player and a bunch of depth guys. The Senators drafted 3 times in the first round this year. Six times in the first two rounds. The Devils drafted 3 times in the first round. The Rangers drafted twice in the first. All three of those teams are rebuilding, and in our conference. If you're happy with drafting once in the first, and then crossing your fingers a hoping depth picks pan out then that's on you. But clearly there's another way to approach it. Give yourself more 1st and early 2nd round picks (and don't waste them on stay at home defensemen). AMEN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 Ugh wtf Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 Ugh wtf https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/435761/sam-stange Hope we dont regret this one Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 well that was a pretty Stange pick 1 nyqvististhefuture reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,748 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, kipwinger said: This draft is a carbon copy of the last one. One decent player and a bunch of depth guys. I think this is an unfair assessment of Seider and Raymond. And players outside of the first round all projects to be depth players really. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TLGTrico 622 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 I'm not one to complain about picks beyond the first round, but I'm not a fan of taking overagers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 Ugh wtf Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,518 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Akakabuto said: I think this is an unfair assessment of Seider and Raymond. And players outside of the first round all projects to be depth players really. I'm using decent player term loosely. I think they're both really good players. I don't like that Raymond is a winger, but that's splitting hairs. They're going to be very good. The point isn't that they're good or bad, it's that they're not enough. You can't just draft once in the first and hope to get ahead. Yzerman said so himself. But instead of getting more top picks, he's adopted this "let's hope a 2nd or 3rd rounder becomes a player" approach. Problem is, A) he keeps trading back, reducing the likihood that will work, and B) he keeps picking non-skill guys with limited upside with those picks. 1 CatBoyRossi reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xault 272 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, Akakabuto said: I think this is an unfair assessment of Seider and Raymond. And players outside of the first round all projects to be depth players really. Who knew picking outside of the first round could lead to a bunch of depth players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, CatBoyRossi said: Been saying this all year. Move out some decent players for good draft picks. This team is made up of strictly losers anyway so who cares? We have a ton of garbage , we have till 5 to qualify rfa’s sadly couldnt get a late pick for perlini haha Edited October 7, 2020 by nyqvististhefuture 1 The 91 of Ryans reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites