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It's obvious that we're not ready yet to compete with a team of Edmonton's caliber.

One! Two! Three! Four! Five! Five more years! Ah, hahahaha.

Not a Wing, but I can't resist: Here lies Peter Fors... oh, my bad. Here lies Peter Fo...not yet? Here lies Peter Forsbe... oh, wait. Haven't we done this before? Ok, now. Here lies Peter... hang on. Ok, for real this time. Here lies Peter Fors... SEL does not count, Peter. What? Oh. That was quick. For sure this time? Here lies Peter Forsberg. Finally.

Is it too much to ask that Toronto and the Refs reference the rule book before they make calls?

Watching the Wings is reminding me of that "And not a single f*ck was given" meme.

I'm not even sure we can call it great hockey. Great that they won, but the worrying sign is it takes them 4-5 goals a game to win 4-3 or 5-4. How many wins this year did they only allow 1-2 goals a game, or even 3? That's what I am extremely worried about for the playoffs. We won't be scoring 5 goals a game, we'll be scoring 3 or 4 at most, which means Howard has to keep a 2-2.5 goals against and I am not confident that is going to happen.

DAMMIT

pretty much sums it up

f*** Gary Bettman.

Where's a sniper when you need one?

I think Heaten has finally snapped, everyone.

abdelkader is lazy and he sucks, Bertuzzi is lazy and he sucks, cleary is lazy and he sucks, Datsyuk is lazy and he sucks, lidstrom is lazy but doesnt suck that much, draper is lazy and he sucks, filppula is lazy and he sucks, eaves is lazy and he sucks, Franzen is extremely lazy and he sucks, helm isnt really that lazy but i still say he sucks, holmstom is lazy and he sucks, miller is lazy and he sucks, Modano is lazy and he sucks, Zetterberg is lazy and he sucks, Ericsson is lazy and he sucks, Kindl is lazy and he really really really really sucks, Kronwall is lazy and he sucks, Rafalski is lazy and he sucks, salei is lazy and he sucks, stuart is lazy and he sucks, howard is lazy and he is ******* aweful stop a ******* shot eh, Macdonald is lazy and he sucks, osgoog is lazy and he sucks. now we better stop being ******* lazy, and ******* sucking

At least when we had half an AHL team the effort was there.

What a pathetic display so far! I'll give em 10 more minutes in the second and if there's no improvement, I'm done for the night...

Softest team ever on the boards.

I can't say that I am surprised. Despite the fact that so many people can't stand the guy whenever you hear owners and gms (for the most part) talk about him they always seem to approve.. whats 5 more years anyways?

They like having a yes-man that is just a figurehead for them and never challenges them to improve the league and make the hard decisions... pathetic...

You forgot to end your sentence with, "in my eyes".

It's easy to say it was clean when we have the capability to view it and review it and slow it down and pause it, etc. When you're the ref on the ice, seeing the game going by in one speed, a hit like that from his angle probably looked bad enough to call. Was it the wrong call to make? Yeah, probably. Does that mean that this hit is now indicative of a league wide policy/conspiracy to end hitting? Hardly.

This is March, a bit closer to the playoffs and the team is more healthy. At February of '08 they were ridiculously injured, but still all but already had a #1 seed wrapped up and there was pretty much no doubt where they stood going into the playoffs. That month stunk but pretty much everybody already knew the Wings place going into that postseason with nobody breathing down their neck. Not the end, but they are just wildly inconsistent lately. It can't be expected that they "flip a switch" per se every post season like they did in 2009 when the defense for most of the year was very bad. Could something similar happen this go-round? Of course, but again not wise to expect such a scenario every time. I'm not a doom and gloomer, I rarely ever get into calling players worthless or want to burn their heads at the stake, plenty of other teams would kill to be in the situation the Wings are in presently which is all but in the playoffs, and it's impossible to play balls to the wall every game in such a lengthy season, I don't care what team you are and I don't care if we're talking hockey, the NBA, or Major League Baseball where you play 160+ games a season. It's just not always going to be there. Which is why I rarely go suggesting trading so-and-so or benching somebody for 10 games to tell them to wake up, because this team has the personnel to win more often than not. But if they want to make a deep playoff run the attention to detail and urgency has got to be better. It's that simple, at least in concept of course. A little more urgency and effort and their chances to win are that much greater. And before anybody comes with any possible responses like I'm lowering my expectations to not be as disappointed or I'm stupid for not fully believing or that I'm giving up or throwing in the towel, and some of you know who you are, you can stick it where the sun doesn't shine. That's not what I am meaning and you know this. If there's anything I really hate regarding stuff like this, it's the doom and gloomers who say we are f**ked from minute one (which isn't what the original poster's tone is, not even close, just normal concern) as well as the pom-pom cheerleaders who yell at others for showing question or a slight inkling of doubt. Both sides are equally aggravating and you all know who you are in here. We all want the Red Wings to win in here.

No, no it's not the end. Thank you for your concern, though.

I have to agree. Seriously, I go to the HFboards to get more intelligent hockey talk. I come here to hear some biased Wings perspective and the most stupid comments from armchair Wings fans. Anyone with a straight face saying that Howard lost the LA game is an idiot. Howard has had his best stretch of hockey over the course of the last couple weeks, and because of the defensive lapses in front of him, they haven't done so well. I don't blame Howard for this at all. I blame the product in front of him.

Nicklas Lidstrom is never allowed to retire.

He's only allowed to retire when he has 7 Stanley Cups and 9 Norris Trophies...because I say so.