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We should do a list of the all-time best blueadams line threads.

...and Hudler sucks, he's done being a Wing...deal with it...

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Did I compare them? Re-read what I wrote. Of course Rafalski doesnt compare to Nick. Just pointing out the fact that losing both Lidstrom and Rafalski in one offseason would be a huge blow.

Right.. If that's the case, we'll take Carle for Hudler. I mean they both have been in the KHL

No I want a guy who can drop the gloves and do something else for a team. Konopka is that guy, wouldnt I be sitting here saying sign Mcgratton or Mcintyre if I just wanted a fighter since those are 2 of the toughest guys in the league? Konopka is the best faceoff man, most active fighter, solid defensively and can throw a hit. Drew Miller has an edge of probably 5 or 6 points a year offensively (barely anything), is solid defensively, is 180 pounds and not physical. Both guys are decent PKers. They seem like players of similar value to a team, it just depends what your team has. Detroit has no big, tough forwards that can wear down other teams defenses really and with Draper going they dont really have a guy you could for sure count on taking a draw late in a game. They also dont have any really willing fighters. All of these things point to Konopka providing things the wings lack. Miller is a good PKer, just like almost every wing forward not named Hudler, and 5 or 6 points doesnt really make up the difference that Konopka would provide other things

Agreed. I guess the hatred for the team that's knocked the Wings out twice is stronger for some people. Since they both can't lose, honestly I'd probably prefer the Sharks win for most of the reasons you mentioned, especially the sense of entitlement and incessant lecturing from Vancouver fans about how great their teams is and how unbiased their perspective is, but barring another meltdown by the Canucks, it ain't happening. Add to that a lot of canadians apparently root for whatever canadian team is left so Canada can win the Cup (???), so it becomes an inferiority complex on top of an inferiority complex, with all the annoying side effects that go with it.

But he was statistically going at a 105 point pace over the course of 11 games in the 2010-11 season. People forget he also did this while on lines with someone other than Datsyuk as well. Whoa! WTF... I forgot who I was for a second. Hudler is lazy and sucks, continue.

Yet he was still the LGWs official whipping boy... Ericsson has the 2nd best +/- stats among DRWs defencemen. 1st best was his defence partner, Rafalski. Ericsson scored more points in his first two season than Jiri Fischer. Ericsson also had better +/- stats than Jiri Fischer's 2nd year in the NHL. Both players are clumsy, both players got knocks for not being physical enough at the start of their respective NHL careers. Fischer was younger and had more upside. Ericsson wasn't a first round pick and isn't expected to be a top 2 defenceman on his team. Defencemen don't even start to peak until their early 30s. Lidstrom wasn't even known as a star until his early-to-mid 30s. What does this mean? That fans (LGWs posters) have unrealistic expectations of players, and don't understand the development process. Bottom line, whether anyone wants to admit it or not, Ericsson is a good young defenceman. He is still learning and finding his identity (the same identity that most defensemen don't find until they get into their 30s). The guy is a damn good bottom pairing d-man, and will develop into a rock solid #4. Holland, Babcock and crew haven't been this patient with him because he's a flop. He's a guy that will be pursued by other teams... but according to the latest report (previous page), he said he was never made an offer by Holland, never rejected an offer, and wants to play for the Red Wings because he knows they are a winning team. So the guy seems to have some loyalty and wants to stay here. And I hope he does re-sign. Because who replaces him may be a flop.

Unless your name is Malkin of course then it's not so mandatory.

I agree with earlier comments that the Phoenix situation mostly deals with the new hockey only arena in Glendale. The Thrashers share an arena with the Hawks, they won't be missed, the Coyotes will. What a horrible decision by the Coyotes to not continue to share an arena with the Suns.

huh. Gary actually bought the team with the NHL's money. That IMO is going waaaay to far to try and keep the team in Phoenix. This makes zero sense business wise. The whole thing is fishy. If it's not Bettman's ego, what is going on?

Everyone just became affordable.

contradicted? good one, professor. i said that i didn't want to put too many on, and i only put three. and why those three? ummm...let's see. bobby orr is almost universally agreed upon as the best defenseman to ever live. gordie howe is almost universally agreed upon as at least one of the best three forwards of all-time. doug harvey won seven norris trophies. and...drum roll...i couldn't think of anyone else i'd seen that i really really loved.

the only thing I would do different is brining Jan Mursak up to the Wings for good. He is now waiver exempt and has far too much potential to lose him for free. I would take Mursak over Miller as my only change. I also feel the exact same way with Ericsson. I wished he would blossom this season and show us his true form but I dont think the Wings brass are too interested in waiting around for it any longer. If not re-signing Ericsson allows us to land Drew Doughty, then so be it.

Finally we hear it, Holland is human and makes mistakes and isn't the Stonewall, Ironclad GM he is rumored to be. Malhotra 1,000,000 X better than Williams... Oh well, lets hope Robo-Holland shows up this off season and doesn't make any human mistakes...

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Would you rather him over pay for free agents every year? I know I dont... Find your leaders within the system for hometown rates and loyalty. Only go fishing in FA when needed hence Rafalski. Just look at some of the recent top player FA contracts and they get quite pricey and don't work on in the long run. I'm not trying to call you out but we were one win short of the final four with injuries. We faced a3-0 series defiect not because of what players but instead of how they were playing the first couple of games. Holland always ices a contender and we are damn lucky to have that good of a GM contracts like datsyuk and Zerterberg look better every year as the caps go up.

Remember how fun the NHL was before the sarlary cap? We'll never see epic trades anymore like the Shanahan's, Roy's, Lindros'... instead we are stuck with boring / drama-less NHL (small trades). I blame the salary cap.

I think he can score 105 points? It's certainly possible he could do it, but I don't think it would happen. What I have said is that in the eleven games he played with Datsyuk, he was on pace for a 105 point season. That's not the same as me saying "I think he would keep up that scoring all year!" but you don't seem to be one for accuracy. When have people mentioned stats to show support for Franzen? What stats?

(in the McCrimmon thread too, but here for posteriors)

I have extreme, wait for it, LOYALTY toward Kenny. The guy is put on a pedestal, and rightfully so. I wouldn't want another guy in the spot and like Doc said, do not expect Stevie to just up and come back if the spot opens up. Also, I wouldn't worry that things will go to s*** if and when Kenny steps down. The Detroit Red Wings will not employ the next GM as someone who can't do the job the absolutely right way. I would love Stevie to be the guy but we need to keep perspective here.