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They both had the same middle name?! There's a fun fact!

Wow, I never got past the picture they have for Montreal (#15).

When will people stop calling Miller dead weight? http://www.hockeyanalytics.com/Research_files/2011_NHL_Review.pdf That formula would prove that Miller is great for his money. An easier calculation is this: How many points does Miller have? How many does Eaves have?

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And don't forget Michigan at #7, little brother!

I think it's a little too soon to be getting excited about our 3rd line. They have only had 3 really good games together, and two of those games were pretty much blow outs. There's going to come a game or two when the first two lines "phone" it in and we're going to need our bottom 6 to step up for us. Untill then I'll be cautiously excited for them. I'm also going bet that now that Cleary is scoring again, it won't be long untill he's put back up in the top 6; ruining the chemistry on all 3 lines. When, Eaves and Mursak come back, Emmerton and Brunnstrom will be in the ahl and the remaining 4th liners will all be put on rotation, just like last year. and since we are talking bottom 6, I'd like to point out that IMO Drew Miller has been fantastic this year. They should give him a shot at centre before putting him on bench rotation because he does not deserve to be sat.

Mursak provides a lot more than Connor. Connor looks great because his speed meshes well with Helm, Mursak will look even better I think. Connor only has speed really, Mursak is just as fast but has hands, a bit of a scoring touch and is about as physical as Helm. He has a lot more dimensions to his game than Connor who can only beat you with speed. Mursak can lay you out if he wants, blow around you, dangle you and has a pretty good shot. He's going to be a solid third liner, maybe second liner for a lot of years here

We currently have an open spot, so we won't have to send anyone down until Eaves gets back. Conner has looked good so far, but so did Emmy in his first few games. Right now, I'd have him above Emmy, but that could change in the weeks before Eaves is ready, or we could have more injuries. It's too early and the sample size is too small to make long term plans with Conner. I think he's earned a spot in the lineup for now. Assuming he keeps it up, I think Emmy, Miller and Homer will rotate with Mursak once he comes back.

I love this kid. Just as Mick said last night...it's hard to take him out of the lineup. I don't think he is going anywhere for a while.

personally I have thought Cleary has been overrated for a while. But since he's been moved down he's done awesome. Conner is a beast out there, him and helm are a really fun duo to watch.

I like the speed he adds to the lineup, cause in the new NHL you can never have enough speed. Helm and Connor compliment eachother perfectly and I'm pretty pumped to see Mursak on the other wing on that line, or they could play Mursak or Connor on the fourth to spread the speed around and that way keep Abdelkader on the wing because hes much better there. The bottom 6 hasnt had much energy outside of Helm and ABdelkader for a few years now. Its time to cut dead weight like Miller, Emmerton, Brunnstrom even Eaves maybe and add guys who provide and specialize in something. Whether its a big hitter like Drake, or some speed demons who can draw penalties, the team is better off without the redundancy of the types of bottom 6ers the wings have got now. Next year a potential bottom 6 of Connor Helm Abdelkader Connor Prust Eaves would be pretty awesome. You add speed energy and some toughness energy and get an all around better bottom 6. People will always say the 4th line isnt a big deal, but they can be a difference maker especially in a long playoff series

Having both Conner and Helm on the same line is almost unfair to other teams. The game against Pittsburgh was pretty even except when that line was on the ice and they just seemed to dominate on the forecheck. Conner seems to be a slightly less physical version of Helm with a touch more playmaking ability.. If he can keep up this pace there is no way he gets sent down.

how many concussions do u think howe played through in his career? how old is he now? I do think this is a bit of hysteria. neg away.

I like to collect Original 6 stuff. Obviously a vast majority of my hockey stuff is Red Wings, but I do think it's cool to have some other stuff, especially if you like showing stuff off. I'd like one day to have a game room/bar in my house and in it I'd like to have a section for Original 6 stuff to go with all my Red Wings stuff.

What, you think Babcock's hair takes care of itself? He needs time to make it look all perfect like that.

He runs around stirring up s*** after a very serious injury. Plays like he's untouchable. Then is surprised when he gets is dished back. Great player. Seriously immature. Butt-punchin cowgirl. Sit down sissy-boy. And eat some s***.

I could careless, yes he is a good player, but as a whole I don't buy the he is good for the game thing. Every player in the NHL is good for the game. On the end I'll take losing one of our many stars to not have him as a player being shoved down my throat... Yes it is sad to see but thats what I call Matt Cooke Karma. There weren't a milliOn press conferences for Savard. Yet for done reason he gets treated like a long. When he is blowing every NHL'er out of the water with points. Then I'll consider him the hands down best player. Until then he is just a star player like the Sedins, datsyuk, Malkin, Giroux, Ovie, and a bunch more.

Karma is a *****.

Everyone's allowed to have a 2nd favorite team. Unless it's the Blackhawks.

Breaking news: referees get calls wrong. More at 11.

why can't we get in on these deals? id take that.

I don't think the question is Kindl or Commodore, it's Ericsson or Commodore. Kindl has been superb, but Ericsson is just stinking the ice up, Commie should be in and Ericsson should be out or dealt (damn those NTC's!) Problem is, while losing 3 out of 5 didn't get Commodore in a little bit ago, that means he will probably never get in unless there is an injury. I seriously think that Babcock has a personal issue with him still and that is why he is always a healthy scratch. There is no reason why he is not being rotated with Ericsson. If Commie comes in and outperforms Ericsson, then that is great! If he stinks, then so be it. Right now, Ericsson is a huge waste of $3.25M. I think if Commie is given a nice 10 game stretch to prove himself, then we can decide if he is worthy of the top 6. Right now, not even Ericsson is top 6 worthy. What could it hurt? Fixed...

He's played well, but how many undersized forwards should we keep in our bottom 6? Hudler, Mursak, Helm and Connor. Can you see those guys wearing a bigger team down physically in a seven game playoff series? If they have a bigger forward there to complement them they do, but not if they're all dressed together at the same time. Someone is gonna have to sit out or be traded (Hudler). 15,000th post. :!:

The pussification continues.