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There will be no trades for a forward this offseason, Holland isn't that stupid. Especially these high profile players where you're pretty much guaranteed to get screwed over. With the FA pool being so bad this year we acquired enough forwards that we can use them to trade for something we don't have enough of, defensemen. Are you people really that short sighted that when you hear a high profile player is on the trading block you don't even take into consideration the shape our team is in right now. We've upgraded our forwards already, now we have to trade for defence. Signing Doan or Semin is all you can ask for in forward department.

Bertuzzi is 40 pts for less than $2m.

Yet you seem to be able to tell the future of hockey....I bet the kate upton thing happens before the Wild win a Cup... I'm sorry? I know Detroit is close to Canada, but it's not IN Canada...didn't see the Wild on the short list either, maybe because they aren't in Canada? $110M offer from teams that had no chance to sign them, but offered them the world to try to sway them...again you seem to be omitting the part about family. Parise "If it weren't for family I'd be back in NJ..." Suter "I was leaning towards Detroit but decided to play where my family is" I hate to break it to you, but Minny ONLY got them because of family, they said themselves. I said it before, if their families lived in Seattle, WA they'd be playing for the Canucks...if they were from Fort Lauderdale, they be Panthers...what part of that do yo not understand? They didn't go to Minny because of their great team or stellar future...THEY WENT FOR FAMILY! And it took MORE money to get them there! Hey, if their families were from Ann Arbor, MI. guess where they'd be playing? Are you 12?

Hold on now! Everyone Hold On! I admit, I want Holland to trade some of the yoots to get Ryan or Nash or Yandle...but just a minute centcougar. Some of us have said, the yoot movement will not work, they are too green, but there are some who say, they a really good and should be given a chance to prove themselves...ok, nobody knows which side will be correct in the end, but I'll be damned if another teams fan is going to come in here saying Detroit has noone to replace Lidstrom or Stuart and Brunner is the biggest signing so Wings are gonna suck because of their unproven talent....HUH!?!? All this from a guy who touts the Wild's awesome future based on what? Unproven talent! Sure Mikail Granule of Salt is a very VERY good prospect, but so is Nyquist, so is Tatar, so is Mursak... You come in here and say Detroit needs to replace all these guys in order to be good, yet you tout the Wild as perennial Stanley Cup Champs because of unproven NHL talent... Your kid Granook or whatever the hell name it is, has yet to prove anything in the NHL, he could flop or he could excel! NOBODY knows! So don't come in here saying you KNOW that Nyquist or Smith or Brunner are going to flop and the team is gonna suck if Holland doesn't make some moves to get established guys...How dare you! Like I said, your Wild has a 3 year window and its over....you'll say goodbye to Heatley, The Gooch, Clutterbuck soon, you may not even keep your goalie...Your yoots may flop out because they cannot handle the NHL, NOBODY knows what a player is going to bring until they bring it...let's talk next July after we see who is good and who isn't! and for your Young Guns analogy, I wouldn't give a drop of sweat off the guys ******* that made that bucket that I am going to piss in for YOUR future... and before you go quoting me saying trade Mursak, trade Tatar, etc...I never said they weren't NHL ready...I said we have plenty of talent to replace them if they were needed to acquire Nash or Ryan... It's funny how you come here and say one team is gonna suck because of unproven, yet highly touted talent and in the same s*** soiled breath you say another will be Champs with unproven, yet highly touted talent! I pity whoever marries you and if you have children, what's next you voted for the war, now you are against it? Let me quote another movie "Do us a favor, make like a tree and get out of here!"

http://www.mlive.com...ecisions_f.html Damn cougar, you make this too easy! Oh and the $110M offer? Flyers....with whom Parise said would never sign with and Suter said he wouldn't play in the East...so ya, they had to offer them a ton more to express their interest and try to lure them and change their minds....it's over centcouger, you lost this debate, lick your wounds and be happy that you are a fan of their hometown team...you lucked out. awwww....cat got your tongue? Go home...

LOL. What Cup is that? The cup of Christ? Howard would have to steal every playoff series for us to win. So far, he's been decent in his career, but nothing spectacular in the playoffs. He's only beaten Bryzgalov and that's it.

If I am trading Flip, it's for Ryan or Nash...

I don't want to lose Flip....

Smith replaces Lidstrom? Kindl replaces Stuart? More like Kronwall replaces Lids, Quincey replaces Stuart and we still need a top 4 d-man. esteef

The thing is that when you direct your entire game plan into signing 1 or 2 UFAs that nothing is guaranteed. I think most Wings fans, myself included, thought that just because the Wings had the need and the Cap space that signing Suter and Parise was all but given. We heard all the rumours throughout the season and we all waited anxiously for July 1st to come. When we did not get either Suter or Parise, we were all left disappointed. We all thought Kenny would have a Plan B in place and as of right now we don't really know what that is. It looks to me like the plan is to basically go with what we have and hope for the best and possibly add players this summer or during the season and at the trade deadline. The problem with this is that every other team in the league is trying to do the same thing. The players we are interested in are also being pursued by the same teams like Pitt, Philly, Rangers, Sharks, Hawks, etc. Just to name a few. Kenny seems to operate under the SAVE IT FOR A RAINY DAY PLAN. You can't keep waiting for tomorrow to solve your problems. If teams go over the Cap in the new CBA then they will not let go of their quality players. They will trim the fat by losing their crappy ones. Kenny is supposed to sign these guys? LOL Yeah right. I mean it's a nice theory but inaccurate. Lets face it. Kenny has few options right now. He is not willing subtract anything of real value. So why would teams make a trade with him? They are not going to take our crap like Emmerton, Kindl or Mursak and give him franchise players. Kenny is not really willing to give to get so nothing of significance is going to happen. If I were a GM I would not make a trade with Kenny either. How am I improving my team? He won't give me anything. I will simply call up another GM who is and make a trade with him.

It seems like he's always waiting for something. Last offseason it was, oh we have a little bit of money so we'll wait for the trade deadline. Trade deadline comes, oh nothing was available we'll wait for the offseason. This offseason comes, strikes out on (potentially) three big name FA's (suter, parise, semin?) Oh well we'll wait for a new CBA.

The Wings have not upgrade on Forward, they have move laterally on forward at best. Sammy is a year older and playing with worse line mates, so no way hes a 50 point player, especially if he lands on the third line. Brunner is an unproven commodity, and shouldn't be counted on to be anything until he shows he can make the transition to the NA game. Tootoo is a spare part that was benched by the Preds at the end of last season and during the playoffs on a Preds team that is not deep at Forward. Add to this Bertuzzi and Cleary are both a year older and not showing signs of not declining I don't see how you can say they are better in the forward department. Add the less dangerous offense to a defense that has taken at least a step and a half backwards, well... the bright side is a down year could reduce Howard's value on his next contract anyway.

He could have Fu*ked himself Royally by overpaying for Suter and Parise like the Wild did.

Wings are still deeper and better than the Wild. Come talk about teams futures when the Wild make the playoffs, and you can start with the bragging rights when they win the cup. Or even a presidents trophy for that matter. This offseason, all the other GM's, including Yzerman unfortunately, overpaid for what was out there. Next offseason, we've all seen the list of guys that could be had and half the GM's won't have two cents to rub together from their gross overspending this offseason and Kenny will be able to sit and sift through the pack. Weber, Getzlaf and Iginla seems pretty nice to me. This year we can watch a few prospects develop and rotate others in to see if they can hack playing in the NHL. Then next offseason, sign a couple bigger names and see what prospects are ready to go....like Jarnkrok centring the 3rd or 4th line. I'd take the Wings' future over the Wild any day. At least Kenny still has options and money that can be spent.

COUGAR!!!! I thought u were gone for good after you pretended to be a wings fan on here for like a month and then we all forced you out of the closet lmao Glad to see you didn't read my post either, just like old times I'll break it down again for you so it's easier to understand, ok? My point was: could we dominate and win all kinds of trophies? yes, we COULD. Could we also barely make the playoffs and exit in the first again? yes, we COULD. We simply don't know what Brunner, Nyquist, Smith, or Kindl will play like, there are many possibilities. We also don't know if there are more additions or trades coming so hold your trolling!!!! See the keyword there was COULD. Hope that helps you this time around!!!

We could just as easily win the cup as we could suck. How many of you actually follow hockey? Geesus the LA kings from a month ago is all the farther you have to look.....hell after Rinne shut us down a lot of you were crowning the preds.

I don't thin there's a GM in the NHL that would trade for a top 6 forward in the situation we are in right now

Hell no.

What about Bogosian? I'd trade some yoot's for him...

this is a cruel joke. where is 'report abuse' button?

At least he used some logic and reasoning to explain his opinion. Instead of just attacking a differing viewpoint, what are the reasons you believe the Red Wings will be as good or better than last season with this roster?

Babcock must not wear one of those hats:

Jarnkrok, Pulkkinen, Jurco, Frk, Sheahan, Sproul, Tvrdon, Athanasiou, Bodin, McKee...We Won't Miss Mursak, Tatar or Andersson...

Doan would bring an intangible that is worth gold. He is older and desperately wants to win a Cup. This is EXACTLY what the Wings need. Remember Dallas Drake. He was the spark plug. I want Doan on this team at almost any cost. The one element that the Wings are missing is the passion and will to want a Cup. Doan brings these. PLEASE sign Doan...

no, that not. mind you, I live in Netherlands, I can think of different reason to say stuff like that not being crazy at all... I mean... I love Flip and his work ethics but him and Ryan is no match... really... peace, bro!