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I just had a good laugh at all of the experts on here who contributed to the "Fire Ken Holland" thread, but are now reluctant to part with any of our "overripe" prospects because all of the sudden "they like our team" too. And to everyone who understood that the current NHL landscape doesn't allow for any individual team to compete for the Stanley cup every year, please pat yourself on the back for defending him like I did. As for a trade to "get our offense going" - We currently rank 6th in the NHL in GPG and 8th in PP% (all after scoring only 4 goals in 3 games in 4 nights). I think the question is "should we make a trade for a new goaltender who can make a save in a shootout?"... kidding.

Jimmy is not athletic at all and that's what you need to stop guys with skill. That's why the "Jimmy is average" folks keep getting upset. He just can't stop those guys at his best but it has nothing to do with his work ethic. His Celing is just not that high. No need to get upset about it. However, the "Jimmy is an elite goalie" folks need to have their head checked. He's not elite.

Eeehhhhh...call me kooky, but I really don't like the Heatley/Voynov comparison guys. Tragic consequences result when you make the extremely irresponsible decision to drive dangerously. Heatley did not consider the consequences, and someone died. Choosing to (allegedly) *beat the s**** out of someone you love is not "irresponsible." As a woman, to be honest it is frightening that some people don't see this difference. It was not an "oops, sorry, you accidentally ran into my fist lol." What Heatley did was a tragic accident. He did not set out to intentionally murder his friend. Voynov did not "accidentally" abuse his girlfriend. If guilty, he knew *exactly* what he was doing, and it was his intention to do so. While both scenarios had tragic consequences, the similarities for me end right there.

I don't do surreal. I do butt feel -Me

August - THIS TEAM IS GOING NOWHERE! FIRE KEN HOLLAND! TRADE FOR *Insert name* OR TANK FOR MCDAVID! December - No need to make any trades if we don't have to. Let's all just be patient and hold onto prospects and let them develop. In a way I envy them. They truly live in the moment.

SportsK all the way. Amazing site. I recently bought a really cool jersey from them and then was bummed because it was too large. I sent it back and they returned a smaller size so fast that I was very impressed. A lot of people on this site including myself have had a great experience with them. I would go with the second link above.

Huge fan of Matt's wallpapers, was using them every time a new one came up and always check beginning of the month for a new one. It feels very awkward after all this time not having a Wings calendar wallpaper on my computer during the season. With some free time today, I decided to make my own and will share here as well. They aren't Matt quality of course, but they'll do. I tried to keep a similar theme that we're used to here. 2880x1800 - http://i.imgur.com/5pWxSve.jpg 2560x1440 - http://i.imgur.com/C6NFES0.jpg 1920x1200 - http://i.imgur.com/uXAfElE.jpg 1920x1080 - http://i.imgur.com/B2bHeK8.jpg 1680x1050 - http://i.imgur.com/8o0d6Pt.jpg 1440x900 - http://i.imgur.com/BhQQ2y7.jpg 1280x800 - http://i.imgur.com/UJJYns0.jpg 1280x720 - http://i.imgur.com/Dq0SzIJ.jpg Here's to hoping the lack of quality will bait Matt back into creating them!

Exactly what I was thinking. Everybody's coming in slow and close on him.

If I’m Howard I just let them bury one here before the end of OT

Wiz got “fair market value” on that chance. Annnnnnd he missed.

Seriously. Bobrovsky. Traded. For picks. And replaced by Bryzgalov. Lol.

I was talking about Columbus....They won't win very many games in regulation. They need them to go to OT to win recently it seems....who are you guys talking about?

Columbus is playing the style that Detroit still struggles with....anyone who is willing to get physical and not give Detroit's playmakers time to make the right decisions will be able to play Detroit close like this assuming the goaltender is playing ok.... Detroit really needs to score some messy goals for it to work. They can't rely solely upon skill to get by in games like this.

I totally agree. But Detroit should have had more than one PP tonight.

Anybody remember that time Paul Holmgren traded Bobrovsky for a second and fourth round pick so that he could land Bryzgalov? Worst part? That's the third or fourth worst trade of Holmgren's tenure as GM.

You're stealing bos's racket aBROham.

So we sucks more than 5 teams in the league? TANK IT!!

Tank it

Because they're too bad ass.

lol, 163rd consecutive sellout, Ken says...hey, if you guys buy tickets and don't feel like going, send them to me! Frickin fickle fans... oh, he is good, that's for sure, but I am not trading Sheahan over Helm. Offensive skills much better and we still have Glenny. IF a trade is needed, Helm is very tradable. I'd rather keep all if them though...

Heatley made a stupid mistake. Voynov made s conscious decision to beat his wife. Dee the difference?

I'm going to get my nachos on the way home, but I don't know if I can drink so many beers. This weekend was rough. I drank enough on Friday, to not remember what I did Saturday morning. And I repeated that Saturday night Sunday morning. But I'll give it my all.

Of course its totally acceptable to call out anyone who gives the puck away and it leads to a goal. Everyone does it reguarly in the GDT, including when Howard does it. Hell, this whole thread was made to bash Howard in the shootout and here we all are. As far as I'm aware, nobody ever bashed on you or your posts for doing that. What people disagree with is relying on a "statistic" that is entirely subjective as an objective way to rate a goalie, especially when its clear that you're not interested in comparing him to the rest of the league, but rather trying to paint him in a bad light. "Bad pass" was never defined, neither were a handful of other statistics that you came up with. Who decides what pass is considered "bad" or not? You? And even if you came to some objective way to quantify a bad pass goal, there exists absolutely zero data on any other goaltender in the history of the NHL in these statistical categoreis, so any values that are obtained, whether objective or otherwise, still have no value because there's no way to define what's considered an acceptable range/poor range for bad pass goals or whatever else you were looking at. Maybe Howard actually has the best bad pass goals against in the league. But all you were interested in was counting how many times he let those goals in, and not determining how that value compared to other goalies. As for the next part of your post, wherein you bring up "really bad starts" from that website: Its a s***ty name for a statistic (and it also made me lol), but in the website they clearly quantify "really bad start" as "A performance where the goaltender failed to attain even an .850 save percentage." That's objective. Under their definition, nobody can argue whether Howard has a "really bad start" or not. The author of that post is also using his statistics to compare different starts of Howard throughout a season/career and then coming up with a conclusion after the values have been analyzed. What he didn't do is come to his conclusion first, then make up stats to try to support his predetermined conclusion. ANYWAY I think Howard's problem is just as psychological as the rest of the Wings at this point. They all expect to lose, and teams that verse us in the SO expect to win. And it shows in their body language. We aren't seeing those creative dekes (or any dekes), and everyone is more comfortable just shooting the puck. I'm not a goalie so I don't know how to read a goalie's body language as well, but I imagine that Howard isn't playing the shootout with a lot of confidence right now. Maybe that means he's playing too tight to the net, or he's trying to react instead of predict too much, or vice versa. All I know is that he hasn't always been this poor.