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Him and Ras are both cases of players we will know nothing about until they make the AHL/NHL. Men, especially those with man sized bodies at 18-19 tend to dominate the CHL +1/+2 draft because they are men playing against kids. From my own experience the best predictor is how they transition to the AHL. So with both Cholo and Ras all I ever say is that they aren't showing negative signs in their development.

I’m on my phone right now but we linked it months ago on this thread. Might be 4 pages or so ago. Found it. So the question was is Zetterberg would be traded. The response was his “jersey is going in the rafters”. http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/red-wings-gm-holland-has-no-appetite-for-a-painful-rebuild

Woah, they ain’t even 18 yet. IDk how things work in the demon world but we have rules here in the Kai’s world.

Right, it doesn't surprise me at all that his name isn't getting any play. I just think he'd be a good add for some teams and I think we could get a decent return for him (assuming he keeps producing like he has been lately), so I'm hoping our potential trade chips aren't limited to the guys on expiring contracts.

Probably because we’re not planning on trading him? (Unless I missed something) I don’t think they’d mind trading him if the deal were right or whatever.. but that’s far less of a sure thing than Green, Mrazek, and others on that list. Does it matter who gets the 5 games Howard doesn’t play??

I think sometimes players of that era are put on a pedestal simply because of how long ago it was that they played. Ill use Alex Delvecchio for example, what would you say he accomplished that Fedorov did not? The most points he ever scored in a year was 83, which was good for 7th in the league that year. He won 3 cups (same as Fed), and never won any individual awards (Fed won a Hart). The only only thing he has over Fedorov is that he played here for a very long time, but in that era with the lack of competition, that was a lot easier to do.

I get what he's saying, but of course there are good and bad GMs. The bad ones usually get weeded out eventually, and even good ones lose their jobs. There's a reason why some GMs move from team to team. If they were bad GMs, they wouldn't keep finding jobs. Instead there are good GMs that just simply run their course. Such is Holland. I maintain that he is a good GM who just isn't the right fit in Detroit anymore. Even a good GM won't keep his job forever. Success requires the right GM with the right team at the right time. Change the team(dynamic) and/or time(scenario) and even a good GM will struggle. And that's when GMs get let go.

See below, I was actually just reading this article today. Active NHLers who are a lock for jersey retirement as Devils announce honor for Elias | The Hockey NewsDetroit Red Wings — Henrik ZetterbergJust ask GM Ken Holland. Speaking with THN’s Ken Campbell on Thursday, Holland made it clear he has no desire to move Zetterberg and chances are he remains a Red Wing until he decides he’s done with the game. If that’s not enough, Holland said, “Zetterberg’s jersey is going in the rafters.” Enough said. Are you against Abel, Sawchuk, Lindsay, or Delvecchio being up there? Or do you consider those 4 the elite of the elite?

Ballsy post. I like it @krsmith17. You tell all haters.

Woah lets not get ahead of ourselves lol. Larkin could end up being a complete flop.

http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/22030428/chicago-blackhawks-acquire-anthony-duclair-4-player-trade-arizona-coyotes Laurent Dauphin and Richard Panik for Duclair and Adam Clendening. So basically a tweener center and an underachieving bottom 6 journeyman winger for Duclair and an AHL defenseman. I feel like Holland could have gotten this one done. Based on this return, I don't see how a 2nd and someone like Puempel or Booth or Ouellet couldn't have gotten Duclair. This would have been exactly the type of trade Holland should be doing. Trade Green and you're looking at 4 picks in the first 2 rounds of the draft. Why not trade one of the 2nd rounders and an expendable player under those circumstances? What are the chances one of those 2nd rounders turns out to be as good as Duclair anyway? But hey, at least he'll have that fine young man Kane to mentor him. That should turn out really well.

I think Holland is speaking on behalf of the owners. I don’t think Holland decides on whose # gets retired. I think he's always just been the middle man. Especially for something like this, I don’t think he’s going to go around saying “Zetterberg number will hang on the rafters” without the owners consent, that wouldn’t be professional of him. Holland’s the type of dude that beats around the bush a lot when he’s unsure of things (like about Fedorov’s number getting retired). Plus the fact that Chris Illitch personally recognized Z at the 1000th game ceremony to me was an indiction of what they think of him. Chris Illitch rarely shows up to Red Wings events. And we probably won’t see him make an appearance again for a while. Maybe even until Z’s number is retired to be honest. Or if we win the SC before that.

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Not much of a rumor, but when the Bobfather speaks, it's usually true... When asked about the Wings at the deadline:

This is kind of a silly debate. Two defenseman draftedhigher than Cholowski are also still playing in Juniors and are having worse seasons. There's nothing really unusual about his being in juniors this year, not in his having a good but not spectacular season. It's pretty typical. All it really tells you about Cholowski is that he's probably not better, right now, than Charlie McAvoy is. He's not behind many of his peers at all.

Cholowski could have played in the AHL this season though, but he can't now until his season ends (Portland gets eliminated from the playoffs). He was drafted by Prince George, but originally decided to go the college route rather than Canadian juniors. Since he was not in the CHL when he was drafted by the Wings, he had the option to go straight to the AHL as early as last season. He wasn't ready, and I'm okay with that. Everyone develops at different rates, and Cholo has taken huge strides since being drafted. I'm excited for this kid, and hopeful that he can develop into a top pair defenseman some day. I don't think there's any question he'll be an NHL defenseman, it's just a matter of whether or not he hits his ceiling.

Time to take Yzerman down from the rafters.

He’s hit 70 points once. A long time ago.

HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

The Edmonton Oilers, Buffalo Sabres, and Arizona Coyotes should be nuked from orbit.

Mike who?

I liked this game. Alot. Annoyance. Pain. Hate. Revenge. Alertness. Misery. All traits needed for an ancient greek "pathos" (passion) play. Where the hero(es) through struggles finally reach enlightenment, achieving a status towering their human peers. Well, one could dream. It's all we got, might as well go ancient on our team. Oh and it earned me a quick 15 bucks. =)