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I dont see the Leafs having a problem trading Kessel, there are always teams out there looking for goal scorers.The guy takes way too much heat.

Phaneuf I also think is also very tradable. May take a bit longer, but I'm sure there will be a taker.

Clarkson I think they are stuck with. HORRIBLE signing!

Lupul is tradable IF he can get healthy. Guy is a ball of energy when he plays, its too bad his body has let him down so much.

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I've never seen a place where the by far best player is getting so much flak. But sure go ahead trade your best player and then complain about not having a finisher Clarkson, Lupul aren't movable but Phaneuf is not that bad if the Leafs retain some salary the offers will come flying .

I agree with you, but you never know. People thought nobody would ever take Luongo's contract, same goes for Prince Fielder in baseball. You just need to find the right team at the right time.

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Jonas Siegel with a great piece on Kessel. Finally someone on in the media there pointing out the obvious. http://www.tsn.ca/talent/kessel-scorn-has-gone-too-far-1.207895

Kessel, for one, had no hand in the management failures of John Ferguson Jr., Cliff Fletcher, Brian Burke or Dave Nonis, which are at the real heart of a decade with just a single playoff appearance. Kessel didn’t botch draft picks, signings or trades. Nor did he fail behind the bench. Is Kessel a “coach killer” (as one publication described him) because management misallocated $36 million to David Clarkson or $23 million to Mike Komisarek? Or because that same group spoiled a compliance buyout on Mikhail Grabovski? Or because management, over the span of a decade, has been unable to replenish itself properly through the draft?
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Jonas Siegel with a great piece on Kessel. Finally someone on in the media there pointing out the obvious.

http://www.tsn.ca/talent/kessel-scorn-has-gone-too-far-1.207895

It can do the kessel run in less than 12 parsecs

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Looks like Maple Laffs acquired Olli "the great pumpkin head" Jokinen from predators, laffs are on their way to the top!

Nashville Predators President of Hockey Operations/General Manager David Poile announced Sunday that the team has acquired defenseman Cody Franson and forward Mike Santorelli from the Toronto Maple Leafs in exchange for Nashville’s first-round selection in the 2015 Draft, and forwards Brendan Leipsic and Olli Jokinen.

http://kuklaskorner.com/hockey/comments/big-nashville-toronto-trade

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Preds got franson and santorelli for a 1st rd pick

Leipsic is a 20 year old prospect. Leading scoring in the WHL last year... Nothing to scoff at.

How we got to a first rounder and Santorelli in the mix...

I'm guessing it went down something like this:

Poille: "I've got a second round pick and Leipsic for Franson"

Nonis: "Well... we really want a first."

Poille: "I'm not giving you a first for a rental. What else can you do?"

Nonis: "Well, I'm not..."

Shanny: "Ok, David... How about Franson and Santorelli for the first and Leipsic?"

Nonis: "But Bren..."

Shanny: "Look Dave. Neither Cody nor Mike are gonna re-sign here, let's get that first round pick we need."

Nonis: ...

Poille: "Great. I can give you an expiring contract back if it'd make you feel better about this deal."

Nonis: "That sounds fair."

Poille: "Olli Jokinen"

Shanny: "...whatever..."

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Leipsic is a 20 year old prospect. Leading scoring in the WHL last year... Nothing to scoff at.

How we got to a first rounder and Santorelli in the mix...

I'm guessing it went down something like this:

Poille: "I've got a second round pick and Leipsic for Franson"

Nonis: "Well... we really want a first."

Poille: "I'm not giving you a first for a rental. What else can you do?"

Nonis: "Well, I'm not..."

Shanny: "Ok, David... How about Franson and Santorelli for the first and Leipsic?"

Nonis: "But Bren..."

Shanny: "Look Dave. Neither Cody nor Mike are gonna re-sign here, let's get that first round pick we need."

Nonis: ...

Poille: "Great. I can give you an expiring contract back if it'd make you feel better about this deal."

Nonis: "That sounds fair."

Poille: "Olli Jokinen"

Shanny: "...whatever..."

:lol:

BTW. I wasn't trying to slight the guy, all I seen was the ticker before the full details came out that grandson and Santa went for a first.

I didn't even see jokinen was part of it until it was posted in the grandson to preds threads.

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:lol:

BTW. I wasn't trying to slight the guy, all I seen was the ticker before the full details came out that grandson and Santa went for a first.

I didn't even see jokinen was part of it until it was posted in the grandson to preds threads.

Grandson? Who trades away their grandson for a draft pick? Awful grandparents if you ask me. At least the leafs got this guy

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There are literally endless jokinen gifs on Google.

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Grandson? Who trades away their grandson for a draft pick? Awful grandparents if you ask me. At least the leafs got this guy

jhcga_medium.gif

There are literally endless jokinen gifs on Google.

ha.

I didn't even notice my phone changed franson to grandson.

But yeah.

What sh**try grandparents.

:lol:

And that jokinen gif is, hands down, my favorite.

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Grandson? Who trades away their grandson for a draft pick? Awful grandparents if you ask me. At least the leafs got this guy

jhcga_medium.gif

There are literally endless jokinen gifs on Google.

Did your phone change it to SANTA as well? Okay, that could be short for Santorelli... but autocorrect is such a nightmare.

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Did your phone change it to SANTA as well? Okay, that could be short for Santorelli... but autocorrect is such a nightmare.

Haha. Nahhh, the couple of leafs fans I reluctantly refer to as my "friends" call him Santa so often that I just started referring to him the same way.

But yeah that was a pretty effin good auto correct.

Usually it pisses me off but that one gave me a good laugh...

I wouldnt even have noticed it had e.t. not pointed it out.

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Haha. Nahhh, the couple of leafs fans I reluctantly refer to as my "friends" call him Santa so often that I just started referring to him the same way.

But yeah that was a pretty effin good auto correct.

Usually it pisses me off but that one gave me a good laugh...

I wouldnt even have noticed it had e.t. not pointed it out.

Sorry for OT but that's the differense I've noticed after switching from my BB to Android too. Auto-correction has basically driven me insane especially if english isn't your native language because for whatever reason the two bigdogs (Swiftkey and Swype) decided it would be a good idea to have 2 language suggestions active at the *same* time ---> instead of just swiping left or right to activate them...Thanks to the handwriting feature of the S-Pen it's not as bad but man it has the potential to drive me insane.

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Sorry for OT but that's the differense I've noticed after switching from my BB to Android too. Auto-correction has basically driven me insane especially if english isn't your native language because for whatever reason the two bigdogs (Swiftkey and Swype) decided it would be a good idea to have 2 language suggestions active at the *same* time ---> instead of just swiping left or right to activate them...Thanks to the handwriting feature of the S-Pen it's not as bad but man it has the potential to drive me insane.

Yeah I just turned swipe off,because its WAYYY worse with it on ha.

But back on topic.

I think tml fans deserve better. Sure.

But I'm glad they finally deserved to scorch earth rebuild.

It'll be nice not hearing them think they're the bees knees for about a month every year

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Yeah I just turned swipe off,because its WAYYY worse with it on ha.

But back on topic.

I think tml fans deserve better. Sure.

But I'm glad they finally deserved to scorch earth rebuild.

It'll be nice not hearing them think they're the bees knees for about a month every year

I think their knowledgable fans really deserve better, the obvious "I jump on the players bandwagon when he's good but will give him hell if he makes a mistake" bandwagoners don't. Franson just talked about the whole pressure there, I mean having 30 guys in the room even after practice ? That's insane like freaking insane.

Also I'm not sure what Shanahan is doing there, they've acquired another cocky heavily undersized kid ind Leipsic...are they trying to become the smurfs ? Instead of such a hard hitting fun to watch in your face team, which made the playoffs and almost beat Boston with that type of game ?Personally I wouldn't trade for or draft anybody under at least ~ 190 lbs.

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I think their knowledgable fans really deserve better, the obvious "I jump on the players bandwagon when he's good but will give him hell if he makes a mistake" bandwagoners don't. Franson just talked about the whole pressure there, I mean having 30 guys in the room even after practice ? That's insane like freaking insane.

Also I'm not sure what Shanahan is doing there, they've acquired another cocky heavily undersized kid ind Leipsic...are they trying to become the smurfs ? Instead of such a hard hitting fun to watch in your face team, which made the playoffs and almost beat Boston with that type of game ?Personally I wouldn't trade for or draft anybody under at least ~ 190 lbs.

You wouldn't draft anyone under 190 lbs?

I'll stop and let you reevaluate that for a second

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I think their knowledgable fans really deserve better, the obvious "I jump on the players bandwagon when he's good but will give him hell if he makes a mistake" bandwagoners don't. Franson just talked about the whole pressure there, I mean having 30 guys in the room even after practice ? That's insane like freaking insane.

Also I'm not sure what Shanahan is doing there, they've acquired another cocky heavily undersized kid ind Leipsic...are they trying to become the smurfs ? Instead of such a hard hitting fun to watch in your face team, which made the playoffs and almost beat Boston with that type of game ?Personally I wouldn't trade for or draft anybody under at least ~ 190 lbs.

McDavid's off the table for you then. And Eichel, and pretty much most of young draft eligible players

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Given where this team is and what we currently need no because we need size at the forward and especially back-end position.

Which doesn't mean I would pass on a can't miss prospect...but at let's say 25 I'd go size and physicality first.

Edited by frankgrimes

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Guys like McEichel are obviously can't miss prospects but in the later rounds or maybe even at around 15 if it's washup I'd go with size and local boys to make it easier for fans to identify themselves with the team. I mean look at Toronto they didn't draft a GTO player till the later rounds.

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