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Semin signs one year, $7m deal with Carolina

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You do realize that once you sign a guy for way more than he's worth you can't legitimately pay the rest of your team fair-market value when their contracts are up, right? If Holland breaks the salary structure to bring in someone who isn't a bonefide superstar he's f***ed when Datsyuk, Filppula, Smith and Nyquist are up for re-signing.

I get your point,but didn't he pay Ericsson last year or lately Tootoo and Gustavsson fair-market $$$ ?

The Wings brass simply don't like the guy it seems.

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This one Holland should have been in on. 1 year is ZERO risk. 7mill we have easily. This was a complete failure to make our hockey team better with little risk. I'm tired of all the holland defenders who are saying we shouldn't overpay for him. IT WAS A ONE YEAR DEAL. We aren't close to the cap ceiling. Realistically this should have been done.

"Holland was unwilling to compromise, which is his biggest strength, and this off-season, his biggest weakness." This sums this offseason up for me. Holland can pass on certain bad deals like long term overpaying for Carle, Wideman but a one year deal for Semin would have made so much sense regardless of character issues you think he may have.

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Wrong. I know what you mean, but a 1 yr deal of ANY amount is not the same as a long term commitment like the ones given to 13, 40, or even 93. Semin would've been a mercenary no different than Hossa.

I think comparing bringing Hossa on for one year and bring Semin on for one year is a horrible comparison. In fact the only thing that the two situations have in common is one year term and $7m+ salary. Hossa was the best UFA that year, he turned down much better offers to play with the Wings (in fact his agent said "'I have never been involved in a deal and seen a player get so excited to take $85 million less than he was offered elsewhere,' Winter told The Canadian Press. 'It's almost incomprehensible, even to an agent. But Marian is a special player.'" ), and neither his work ethic or his attitude had ever been questioned. Semin on the other hand was not tops on anyone's list, couldn't get a multiyear deal (at least not a good one), didn't turn down better offers (I assume), and is constantly questioned and trashed over his work ethic and attitude.

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Really wanna pay this guy more than anyone else on your team?

This, I imagine, is what it reallly came down to. I think the "team salary cap" (i.e. no one gets paid more than Datsyuk) is kinda wack, but in this case, I'm ok with it. Semin should NOT be the highest paid player on any team.

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It's 100% about salary structure. Holland will be negotiating with a few guys on extensions this year and that would be really tough to do if you just signed a guy with a terrible rep and hilariously declining production to the highest cap hit on the entire team...

Normally I agree, but when it's a one year contract and they're headed into a new CBA, I don't know that it's as relevant because it'll be a whole new ballgame when negotiating. I guess it might still be a sticking point for guys he was thinking of signing on a one year deal next season, but I don't know that's the case with any of the players who will be free agents.

Like I said, I'm just surprised Holland showed no interest from the get go.

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I think comparing bringing Hossa on for one year and bring Semin on for one year is a horrible comparison. In fact the only thing that the two situations have in common is one year term and $7m+ salary. Hossa was the best UFA that year, he turned down much better offers to play with the Wings (in fact his agent said "'I have never been involved in a deal and seen a player get so excited to take $85 million less than he was offered elsewhere,' Winter told The Canadian Press. 'It's almost incomprehensible, even to an agent. But Marian is a special player.'"), and neither his work ethic or his attitude had ever been questioned. Semin on the other hand was not tops on anyone's list, couldn't get a multiyear deal (at least not a good one), didn't turn down better offers (I assume), and is constantly questioned and trashed over his work ethic and attitude.

Talking about Hossa makes me sad and angry. Let's pretend he was never here, and we never missed out on re-signing him.

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Holland has been awful, but we will know the full awfulness that is Ken Holland when he pulls his final move. Holmstrom for 1 more year at 1.5 million. Its amazing to watch a lot of people defend the guy while our team goes downhill despite having a good core to build around. Scotty Bowman was the hockey mind, and jimmy d and haakan andersson were the pioneers. Ilitch was the wallet. Holland is a dope.

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"But he wasn't great in the playoffs, and Franzen was a beast! Who would you rather have? Go Mule!" - LGW, 2009

Congratulations on your ability to see the past. It is one shared by everyone with a functioning hippocampus. Seeing the future is a different quality entirely.

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Holland has been awful, but we will know the full awfulness that is Ken Holland when he pulls his final move. Holmstrom for 1 more year at 1.5 million. Its amazing to watch a lot of people defend the guy while our team goes downhill despite having a good core to build around. Scotty Bowman was the hockey mind, and jimmy d and haakan andersson were the pioneers. Ilitch was the wallet. Holland is a dope.

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A $7m deal would have instantly made him the highest-paid player on the team. That's no reclamation project, and handing that sort of salary to a guy who has such a poor reputation and so much to prove would have been an insult to others on the team, not to mention that poison in the locker room is always a terrible thing. And Semin's potential to be a cancer in the locker room is almost certainly why Holland avoided the guy; Holland does not sign players who are risky in that area.

Does making a trade for Chelios (I'd never play for Detroit), or allowing Hasek back onto the team a season after signing Joseph factor into anything?

Honestly - who cares if signing Semin for 1 year at $7 large "insults" anyone?..Is this a game played by little boys, or grown men?..Is Holland trying to improve our beloved Detroit Red Wings, or is he sitting idle as UFA's sign elsewhere because he's too worried about what the precious stars may think if he signs someone for more $$$.

Holland is a top notch GM - no doubting that, but giving him this "he can do no wrong" moniker gets rather annoying because it's pretty obvious that with what's taken place this summer - Detroit will be lucky making it into the playoffs.

So what's left for Detroit? Doan and a possible trade for Ryan? It's interesting that Semin didn't sign with the Red Wings. Either Detroit didn't offer him a contract good enough or he didn't want to play in Detroit. I can't imagine why Holland wouldn't extend a one year offer Semin's way. There's ample cap space and virtually no way to spend it now. What would have been the harm in signing a former 40 goal scored to a 1 year deal worth $7 Mil? If he tanks, so what? You lose the money that was going to go unspent? Big deal. Low risk, high reward situation. I'm surprised this didn't get done.

Agreed.

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Holland is a top notch GM - no doubting that, but giving him this "he can do no wrong" moniker gets rather annoying because it's pretty obvious that with what's taken place this summer - Detroit will be lucky making it into the playoffs.

The panicking and oh no the sky is falling mentality is getting annoying and to be honest with you, it isn't even new anymore. It was fun the first time but right now it is just annoying. Yes, we will be very lucky making into the playoffs but so what? I am fine with seeing the young guns playing and learning instead of overpaying for guys, that won't make the difference between us and the cup.

Is it really so hard to understand?

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The Semin can't be the highest paid player on the team angle is silly. Of course he is going to cost more for one year. That is the catch of only signing him for a year. It's hardly comparable to Datsyuk who is playing out a long-term deal.

If I'm Datsyuk or Zetterberg, I want the team around me to get better. Remember how pissed Z was talking after the Nashville series? They want to compete and win before their careers start declining.

I get not pursuing Doan for multiple years, but Semin for a year is a different story. What else are the Red Wings going to spend their money on now? There's nothing left of impactful players.

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Very disappointed that Holland couldn't pick up a 1 year deal like this. He needed to sign a scoring forward like Semin to free up other "assets" to trade for a d-man. Now that isn't happening...so off we go with our Swiss-Cheese Defense.

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The panicking and oh no the sky is falling mentality is getting annoying and to be honest with you, it isn't even new anymore. It was fun the first time but right now it is just annoying. Yes, we will be very lucky making into the playoffs but so what? I am fine with seeing the young guns playing and learning instead of overpaying for guys, that won't make the difference between us and the cup.

Is it really so hard to understand?

Well.....I'm 41 years old; been a die-hard Detroit Red Wings fan since October of 1984; back then they will still a joke, and were still known as the "Dead Things".

I don't wish seeing that all over again.

Is that hard to understand?

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Well.....I'm 41 years old; been a die-hard Detroit Red Wings fan since October of 1984; back then they will still a joke, and were still known as the "Dead Things".

I don't wish seeing that all over again.

Is that hard to understand?

I completely understand that point, but tell me this:

Would have signing him made us a cup contendera again? The offense does need some tweaks agreed, but our main problem is still the defense. Maybe Wings are still in on Doan and that is why the have passed on him?

I fully know and can understand the negativity to a certain point, but my point of view is a rather simple: overpaying for elite or close to elite yes but not for questionable players.

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I completely understand that point, but tell me this:

Would have signing him made us a cup contendera again? The offense does need some tweaks agreed, but our main problem is still the defense. Maybe Wings are still in on Doan and that is why the have passed on him?

I fully know and can understand the negativity to a certain point, but my point of view is a rather simple: overpaying for elite or close to elite yes but not for questionable players.

Not making the playoffs certainly equals no Cup parade down Woodward...

That said - I don't feel the addition of Semin will make us Cup favorites - however by adding Semin does give the Red Wings a better shot at making the playoffs.

A 1 yr deal would've been beneficial for both parties...Ilitch has the $$$, and Holland has the cap space.

I do agree with ya that our D still needs some experience; IMHO a top 4 Dman is needed to help fill the slots left open by Lidstrom, and Stuart.

I also feel it's not a bad time to see what some of our prospects have to show in Detroit; where that'll get us - I dunno.

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Semin for 7 mil is steep, but we payed Samuelsson, Gustavson, and Tootoo 7 mil combined. Would any of you rather have those 3 instead of Semin? Its all relative.

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The panicking and oh no the sky is falling mentality is getting annoying and to be honest with you, it isn't even new anymore. It was fun the first time but right now it is just annoying. Yes, we will be very lucky making into the playoffs but so what? I am fine with seeing the young guns playing and learning instead of overpaying for guys, that won't make the difference between us and the cup.

Is it really so hard to understand?

It's not panicking and oh no the sky is falling. It's our roster sucks, and what are you doing, Ken?, and hey it'd be nice to compete for the Cup this season but that's not happening which is stupid.

Too many high horses around here, if anything.

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Too many high horses around here, if anything.

Seems more like, too much beating of dead horses, IMO.

What part of, "we weren't interested", is so hard to comprehend? I'm thinking the Red Wings organization, has a whole lot more insight into why Semin would not be of benefit to the team than a bunch of armchair GM's. Oh, that's right, LGW has lead the team to the playoffs for 21 straight years, and brought us all the spoils of a successfully run sports team, and business. They, had nothing to do with any of that.

For comparison, ask Montreal, The Islanders, or Edmonton, how their "dynasties" are doing. Yeah, you can't win every year, and that has only been magnified by the cap era.

Alright, you can continue crying that Santa didn't bring you the new Nintendo that you wanted.

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Yeah, because the concept that the organization has been successful previously means they are always right. We all are aware of the success -- doesn't mean it makes this summer any less frustrating. Relying on two decades of brilliance isn't going to keep the Red Wings relevant.

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Really now... what is all this silliness about us not making the playoffs? Does it really need explaining why the Wings are still a strong play-off contender? We got worse on D for sure, but also better up front and in net. Our division rivals got worse or stayed stagnant. Without a slew of injuries towards the end last season, it's possible we could have competed for the presidents trophy. It's the end of the... world? :confused:

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Really now... what is all this silliness about us not making the playoffs? Does it really need explaining why the Wings are still a strong play-off contender? We got worse on D for sure, but also better up front and in net. Our division rivals got worse or stayed stagnant. Without our slew of injuries towards the end of the season, it's possible we could have competed for the presidents trophy. It's the end of the... world?

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We'll probably make the playoffs, but I disagree that our division rivals got worse. St. Louis is roughly the same team they were a year ago, Chicago is too, and Nashville really only lost Suter (unless Kostitsyn and Radulov matter). I'd say overall we got noticeably worse on defense, Nashville got slightly worse on defense, and St. Louis and Chicago are the same. It's not going to be easy to win our division this year without some real surprises.

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