dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted October 23, 2014 i seriously dont even want myers. and buffalo is throwing out names like mantha and larkin, F off. lol at callahan though Yeah Myers hasn't put it together yet due to his poor development - might never. We are actually developing our kids and they want us to do the dirty work for them. Myers would be a beast by now if Detroit had drafted and developed him - such a shame. Same could be said for Adam Larsson. 2 krsmith17 and e_prime reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joesuffP 1,746 Report post Posted October 23, 2014 You guys are crazy. The guy is only 24 years old with an elite skill set. He put up big points the only year he was on a competent team. Most our defensive prospects don't even get into the lineup until his age Our offensive output from the blue line has completely flat lined. Power play is losing us games. We arent in a position to keep passing on young, huge, Right handed offensive defensemen. What other option do we have? Wait 3 years for Sproul to break into the league and hope he puts up Calder numbers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted October 23, 2014 I can't imagine Cleary is popular with any of the prospects. It may be Nestrasil' s last chance but I'm not sure Callahan is going to be all that impressive, either. I doubt it signals a trade since no one will trade with us anyway. I also don't see us paying with Larkin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted October 23, 2014 Not sure where to put this, so it's going here I guess. Might as well resurrect the lines thread anyway now that we've had 6 games to watch... Spoke to my buddy in Grand Rapids who tends bar. He was serving Callahan the other night and got to talk hockey with him a bit. When asked about Daniel Cleary all Callahan had to say was that the guy sucks lol (who woulda thought?). However, the more interesting thing Callahan said is that the Wings brass told him that he's going to be a regular for the Wings by December at the latest. Take that for what it's worth, but if that's true, someone's getting waived or traded, barring injuries. It also makes me think that this is kind of a "last chance thing" for Nestrasil. Callahan's a bottom 6 grinder type, and probably the guy the wings actually want filling that role, not Nestrasil. This could be Nestys shot at proving he can provide some scoring at the top level, and if he can't by Dec, bye bye. However I could be 100% wrong about all that. The first time I read this I thought it said Cleary would be a regular by December Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T.Low 1,011 Report post Posted October 23, 2014 You guys are crazy. The guy is only 24 years old with an elite skill set. He put up big points the only year he was on a competent team. Most our defensive prospects don't even get into the lineup until his age Our offensive output from the blue line has completely flat lined. Power play is losing us games. We arent in a position to keep passing on young, huge, Right handed offensive defensemen. What other option do we have? Wait 3 years for Sproul to break into the league and hope he puts up Calder numbers Welp, I 'spose you're right. We get zero O fense from our Dboys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
martinezsvsu 240 Report post Posted October 23, 2014 id like a more proven defenseman than myers. we have like 7 defensemen with high potential. sure myers brings other things to the table but id like more of a sure thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DeGraa55 Report post Posted October 23, 2014 id like a more proven defenseman than myers. we have like 7 defensemen with high potential. sure myers brings other things to the table but id like more of a sure thing. I'd rather just promote either sproul or marchenko and oullete to be the third....but we have Quincey and kindl. Sproul is just what the number one pp needs then smith and dekeyser on the second 1 Smite reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
martinezsvsu 240 Report post Posted October 23, 2014 I'd rather just promote either sproul or marchenko and oullete to be the third....but we have Quincey and kindl. Sproul is just what the number one pp needs then smith and dekeyser on the second i agree, i watched a lot of sproul this preseason. hes such a beast on the pp. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted October 23, 2014 joesuffP, there is a reason most of our prospects don't get into the lineup until his age... So that they are good and ready for the big leagues, and so they don't nose dive like Myers has. Myers clearly wasn't ready when he was rushed into the league as a 19 year old rookie, and how his play is suffering from it. Why do people think he is on the block in Buffalo? They're in rebuild mode and they have a 24 year old "stud" defenseman, why move him? He should be what they're trying to build around, shouldn't he? No, because Buffalo realize that he is what he is now and they're trying to get what they can for him before his value decreases any more than it already has. Ken Holland would be smart to stay away from this one, especially if a player like Larkin would be involved. Everyone that is always clamoring to get the next big thing (Mantha) up to the NHL as soon as possible, this is what can happen to a kid, if he's rushed, plain and simple. Be careful what you wish for. Holland and co. know what they're doing, they've been doing it the right way for a looooong time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted October 23, 2014 Everyone that is always clamoring to get the next big thing (Mantha) up to the NHL as soon as possible, this is what can happen to a kid, if he's rushed, plain and simple. Be careful what you wish for. Holland and co. know what they're doing, they've been doing it the right way for a looooong time. Exactly I'd rather just promote either sproul or marchenko and oullete to be the third....but we have Quincey and kindl. Sproul is just what the number one pp needs then smith and dekeyser on the second Case in point 2 krsmith17 and kliq reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joesuffP 1,746 Report post Posted October 23, 2014 I don't understand why a 24 year old wouldn't be able to adapt to a new system on a much better team. I believe we can swing this deal w/o Larkin btw but some people act like they wouldn't take this guy for free. We've seen Babcock before our very own eyes, change several players careers/styles around why couldn't he with a young guy who has been blessed with all these great gifts from god. The guy of course has some risk but that's why he would be cheaper. You just know if he goes to Anaheim he's going to be great a la Bouwmeester Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWang 422 Report post Posted October 23, 2014 I think our scoring woes can be fixed with the right line combos and the arrival of mantha. Load the top 6 with actual scorers, put the grinders in the bottom 6. Nyquist-Z-Mule Tatar-Pav-Mantha Jurco-Sheahan-Abdelkader Miller-Glenny-Helm That gives us a stud first line and an arguably better 2nd line with loads of skill/scoring. 3rd line is just huge and fast, but will chip in offense here n there. 4th line has been great but would be better with helm in over Andy. This is what i hope to see come christmas. As for Weiss, unless he finds his game i see nowhere for him in the lineup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted October 23, 2014 I don't understand why a 24 year old wouldn't be able to adapt to a new system on a much better team. I believe we can swing this deal w/o Larkin btw but some people act like they wouldn't take this guy for free. We've seen Babcock before our very own eyes, change several players careers/styles around why couldn't he with a young guy who has been blessed with all these great gifts from god. The guy of course has some risk but that's why he would be cheaper. You just know if he goes to Anaheim he's going to be great a la Bouwmeester I'm not high on Myers. If he could be had for the right players, sure... I'd take him off of Buffalo's hands. He has just as much upside as he has risk. I'm leery of trading any of our forward prospects that haven't been given a chance to mesh with the team just yet, but if you're going to get him someone like Juro, Pulks, and/or Nesty are going to be part of the package along with Kindl and a either a defensive prospect or lower line forward. Larkin and Mantha should be untouchables at this point. We just don't have enough of a sample size of their work to know if they're gonna make it. ...and if you are going to trade them, it's gotta be for a legit scorer or defenseman, not a reclamation project. Finally... yes, if Myers goes to somewhere like Anaheim, it's destined to work. Seriously. He will flourish on a true contender. He might struggle here for a bit, but certainly not as bad as he is doing in Buffalo where ALL THE PRESSURE is on him to perform as a #1 Defenseman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DeGraa55 Report post Posted October 23, 2014 I think our scoring woes can be fixed with the right line combos and the arrival of mantha. Load the top 6 with actual scorers, put the grinders in the bottom 6. Nyquist-Z-Mule Tatar-Pav-Mantha Jurco-Sheahan-Abdelkader Miller-Glenny-Helm That gives us a stud first line and an arguably better 2nd line with loads of skill/scoring. 3rd line is just huge and fast, but will chip in offense here n there. 4th line has been great but would be better with helm in over Andy. This is what i hope to see come christmas. As for Weiss, unless he finds his game i see nowhere for him in the lineup. I don't think mantha will be up this year. Not with our current roster crunch. Also it would be good to see how he does in the ahl he very well may not be ready for nhl 2 krsmith17 and Wheelchairsuperhero reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joesuffP 1,746 Report post Posted October 23, 2014 This lineup makes way too much sense for babcock Nyquist-Zetterberg-Franzen (How are you keeping this line apart. Every second they've been together they've been great) Abby-Datsyuk-Tatar Jurco-Sheahan-Helm Miller-Glendening-Andersson Later in the year Mantha will be the first call up. Any winger in the top 9 falls to injury either Jurco or Helm move up and Mantha steps in to play with responsible line mates with sheltered minutes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted October 24, 2014 Zetterberg - Datsyuk - ?? Mantha/Alfie/Pulks Nyquist - Weiss - Franzen Tatar - Sheahan - Jurco Abby - Helm - Glendening Miller Andersson Kronwall - Smith Dekeyser - Ouellet Ericsson - Quincey Lashoff Do this and just leave it there until it inevitably works. Get Weiss going, leave Helm and Abby on the 4th and keep them there. Let the kid line do its thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sjr2012 439 Report post Posted October 24, 2014 Zetterberg - Datsyuk - ?? Mantha/Alfie/Pulks Nyquist - Weiss - Franzen Tatar - Sheahan - Jurco Abby - Helm - Miller Glendening Andersson Kronwall - Smith Dekeyser - Ouellet Ericsson - Quincey Lashoff Do this and just leave it there until it inevitably works. Get Weiss going, leave Helm and Abby on the 4th and keep them there. Let the kid line do its thing. fixed rather have miller over glenny miller is a stud inpecable on pk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,524 Report post Posted October 24, 2014 Rumor out of Buffalo has Detroit in on Chris Stewart. Babs would hate him I'm sure. But I'd love him in Nestrasil's spot provided we're moving equal salary out. http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/buf141023.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sjr2012 439 Report post Posted October 24, 2014 Rumor out of Buffalo has Detroit in on Chris Stewart. Babs would hate him I'm sure. But I'd love him in Nestrasil's spot provided we're moving equal salary out. http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/buf141023.html Rumor out of Buffalo has Detroit in on Chris Stewart. Babs would hate him I'm sure. But I'd love him in Nestrasil's spot provided we're moving equal salary out. http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/buf141023.html Rumor out of Buffalo has Detroit in on Chris Stewart. Babs would hate him I'm sure. But I'd love him in Nestrasil's spot provided we're moving equal salary out. http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/buf141023.html Big decision coming up when Franzen comes back who is the odd man out? Nesty/Jurco I would assume Jurco sents he can go through waivers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,524 Report post Posted October 24, 2014 Big decision coming up when Franzen comes back who is the odd man out? Nesty/Jurco I would assume Jurco sents he can go through waivers God I hope they don't demote Jurco. Nestrasil is ******* garbage. I have no idea why anybody thinks he'd get claimed off waivers (not that you're saying this, but I've had the 'don't want to lose Nesty for nothing' discussion about 200 times this week). They need to get that kid out of the lineup. He's clearly not ready to play in the NHL and is just another one of Babcock's pet projects. 1 sjr2012 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted October 24, 2014 I don't want Stewart. He is massively overpaid in my opinion... With everyone healthy (hopefully on Saturday against Philadelphia) we "should" have a decent lineup... Nyquist - Zetterberg - Franzen Tatar - Dastyuk - Jurco Helm - Weiss - Sheahan Miller - Glendening - Abdelkader Andersson / Cleary Nestrasil is sent down and clears Kronwall - Ericsson DeKeyser - Smith Quincey - Kindl (Ouellet) Lashoff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted October 24, 2014 I don't want Stewart. He is massively overpaid in my opinion... With everyone healthy (hopefully on Saturday against Philadelphia) we "should" have a decent lineup... Nyquist - Zetterberg - Franzen Tatar - Dastyuk - Jurco Helm - Weiss - Sheahan Miller - Glendening - Abdelkader Andersson / Cleary Nestrasil is sent down and clears Kronwall - Ericsson DeKeyser - Smith Quincey - Kindl (Ouellet) Lashoff If I know Mike Babcock, (I don't, but we can pretend for right now) he'll wind up going with something like this: Mule-Z-Nyquist Tatar-Datsyuk-Helm/Abs Abs/Helm-Sheahan-Jurco Miller-Glendening-Andersson Weiss, Cleary Also, can writing "Kindl (Ouellet)" become a thing around here? Just leave XO's name in parentheses every time Kindl is mentioned 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sjr2012 439 Report post Posted October 24, 2014 God I hope they don't demote Jurco. Nestrasil isf****** garbage. I have no idea why anybody thinks he'd get claimed off waivers (not that you're saying this, but I've had the 'don't want to lose Nesty for nothing' discussion about 200 times this week). They need to get that kid out of the lineup. He's clearly not ready to play in the NHL and is just another one of Babcock's pet projects. no I know what you mean Kip it gets redundant with him I don't care for him that much either and Jurco has much more value on this team rather see a lineup like this Goose Z Franzen Tats Dats Abby Shehan Helm Jurco Miller Glendening Andy 1 Jesusberg reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DannyD 79 Report post Posted October 24, 2014 What the lines look like now will be different than what the end the season with, imo. I think we'll be hungry for goals and one of Pulks/Mantha will be called up. For now I wanna see something like this.. Goose-Z-Franzen Tats-Pasha-Abby Jurco-Weiss-Sheahan Miller-Helm-Glenny Kronner-Dekeyser Smith-Big E Quincey-Ouellet We know that first line is golden. Putting Tats on a line with Datsyuk should force him to not try to do everything himself. I think Abby has deserved come more top 6 minutes with the way he has played thus far. Good ol' piano puller. Third line intrigues me. I want to see Sheahan on the wing just to see what would happen. He has a good shot. He doesn't get to use it enough though because Tatar hogs the damn puck. Put Weiss in there to see if he can spark the kids or the kids spark him. Fourth line is lock down. We might get 15 goals out of that line all season but I'm okay with that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted October 24, 2014 Zetterberg datsyuk jurco Nyquist sheahan Franzen Tatar helm abdelkader Miller glendening nestrasil I'd put jurco up on the top line for a few games with pav and hank in the hopes of getting him going .... We need to the kids to start producing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites