Fixing this mess....

[frankgrimes 1,836]

I just hope whatever happens tomorrow doesn't impact some conclusions from this season. The team needs some changes holes have to be filled, period. A package to trade into the top 10 or something to get Trouba will be needed.

Still can't believe how someone like Jurco, Andersson can get the nod over a young and coming foward. Wouldn't surprise me if Mantha gets finally pissed of and demands a trade, kid hasn't been given a fair chance here. Either the ridiculous comments from Develano or getting benched for guys that provide absolutely nothing and shouldn't even be on the roster.

[joesuffP 1,746]

Lmao demands a trade... Good riddance than. Supposed to be a main stay for the team based on his hype. He wasn't even the most deserving forward in GR

[FireCaptain 563]

I had actually completely forgotten about Franzen still being on the team.

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It'd be a challenge cap wise, but it sure would be a better team...actually with Franzen on full LTIR the cap would be fine.

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

I had actually completely forgotten about Franzen still being on the team.

:0

He comes back tomorrow in a shocking return and scores 3 goals and 1 assist. He then picks up Zetterberg and delivers a chokeslam outta nowhere. That's after he beats up Rick Nash in a fight.

Edited April 8, 2016 by GMRwings1983

[kliq 3,755]

I just hope whatever happens tomorrow doesn't impact some conclusions from this season. The team needs some changes holes have to be filled, period. A package to trade into the top 10 or something to get Trouba will be needed.

Still can't believe how someone like Jurco, Andersson can get the nod over a young and coming foward. Wouldn't surprise me if Mantha gets finally pissed of and demands a trade, kid hasn't been given a fair chance here. Either the ridiculous comments from Develano or getting benched for guys that provide absolutely nothing and shouldn't even be on the roster.

Being scratched for a handful of games and demanding a trade??? He would look like a giant diva (see Jonathan Drouin). JD's comments were a bit uncalled for, but who cares, use it as motivation to prove him wrong.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

Being scratched for a handful of games and demanding a trade??? He would look like a giant diva (see Jonathan Drouin). JD's comments were a bit uncalled for, but who cares, use it as motivation to prove him wrong.

That's not what I'm saying. I just wanted to point out the guy has not gotten a fair chance so far. I would understand it if someone better replaced Mantha but Jurco and Andersson? Seriously that's a joke neither of these guys will help fixing that mess.

[marcaractac 3,963]

I just hope whatever happens tomorrow doesn't impact some conclusions from this season. The team needs some changes holes have to be filled, period. A package to trade into the top 10 or something to get Trouba will be needed.

Still can't believe how someone like Jurco, Andersson can get the nod over a young and coming foward. Wouldn't surprise me if Mantha gets finally pissed of and demands a trade, kid hasn't been given a fair chance here. Either the ridiculous comments from Develano or getting benched for guys that provide absolutely nothing and shouldn't even be on the roster.

My biggest fear is Holland wussing out and not trading Howard because of his play as of late.

[krsmith17 7,191]

I wouldn't be completely opposed to holding onto Howard to start next season if we can sign Mrazek at a bit of a discount due to his struggles down the stretch. If Mrazek steals the starting role once again next season, which I think he will, we could then look to trade Howard at or before the deadline.

On the flip side, if Howard gets us into the playoffs, maintains the starting role, and gets us through a round or two, his value will sky rocket, and it would be the best opportunity to move him... But if that were the case, would Kenny pulled the trigger? I'm not so sure...

[VM1138 1,921]

If Mrazek is as good as we think he will be, it doesn't matter how good Howard plays, unless we sign Mrazek for dirt cheap for the entire duration of Howard's contract. He's a goner at some point this summer or next season.

[krsmith17 7,191]

Absolutely, and as long as Holland knows that is and should be the case, he needs to trade him the first chance he gets, when his stock is at his highest. Will that be at the end of this season? Or mid-season next year? I think it all depends on this year's playoffs, which starts today...

[Richdg 267]

As I have said before Howard will be moved only when it makes sense to move him. he has a 5.3 million cap hit. If we move him and have to retain 50% of his cap and then go out and sign another vet backup for 2 million-market rate, we haven't gained much of anything. Maybe .5 million in cap space. if that is all we are freeing up it makes more sense to keep him.

To date Mrazek has not proven he can be the starter all season long. he should at some point, but he isn't there yet.

[krsmith17 7,191]

Where does this idea that we would have to retain 50% of Howard's contract come from? I don't get it, the contract isn't THAT bad at all. I believe we can potentially trade him without retaining any of his cap-hit, but the most we would likely retain would be 25%, and even that I doubt would be the case...

It blows my mind that people still think there's all these untradeable contracts when it has been proven over and over again that any player / contract CAN be moved... Moving Howard won't be easy, but it's not as difficult / impossible as some people are making it seem...

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

My biggest fear is Holland wussing out and not trading Howard because of his play as of late.

The problem with that is if there is an expansion team then guys like Fredrick anderson and marc andre fleury will most likely be available and chosen before howard

That being said if there is an expansion team then we will have to allow a certain amount of cap money available and Howard's a big chunk of it and wouldn't be opposed to him staying just to be one of the taken, but I also wouldn't be opposed to trading him and getting a 2-3 million backup capable of playing 30-40 games if need be

Personally just wanna see ouellet being a wing full time, see some of sproul and trade s Tatar or nyquist for an upgrade , someone who can play defense and pass the puck up , not a vatanen, don't think we'd look good with both green and vatanen on the back end

And most importantly I wanna see athanasiou and mantha get significant playing time , and some ppl time... That's the only way they will improve, if pavel returns he and hank need to play a few minutes Utes later so they are more fresh near the end of the season

Where does this idea that we would have to retain 50% of Howard's contract come from? I don't get it, the contract isn't THAT bad at all. I believe we can potentially trade him without retaining any of his cap-hit, but the most we would likely retain would be 25%, and even that I doubt would be the case...

It blows my mind that people still think there's all these untradeable contracts when it has been proven over and over again that any player / contract CAN be moved... Moving Howard won't be easy, but it's not as difficult / impossible as some people are making it seem...

If Howard steals a round or 2 then yes we trade him , but if there's an expansion draft it'll be a lot harder to deal him since a ton of good goalies will be available ... Fleury,bishop,Anderson to name a few so it would be a lot harder, and almost impossible to deal Howard

[Richdg 267]

Where does this idea that we would have to retain 50% of Howard's contract come from? I don't get it, the contract isn't THAT bad at all. I believe we can potentially trade him without retaining any of his cap-hit, but the most we would likely retain would be 25%, and even that I doubt would be the case...

It blows my mind that people still think there's all these untradeable contracts when it has been proven over and over again that any player / contract CAN be moved... Moving Howard won't be easy, but it's not as difficult / impossible as some people are making it seem...

It was a question not a fact. "If we have to retain 50%". Now put your GM cap on. Are you as a GM trying to build a better team going to pay the full contract of a 30+ year old G that hasn't had a good year? No. That was the point I made at the begining of the year. If we want to move Howard we all should have hoped he had another AS year to drive up his value. He didn't have that type of year so his value is down. The best options with Hoiward are to keep him or move him for another high priced vet.

[Dominator2005 558]

Mrazek will end up again as a starting goalie... game one or game two.

I hope that Kenny will address size and toughness and that Blash will let AA and Mantha play. Under 5 min p/game for AA is not correct/enough.

Trouba will be RFA. I don't see Jets keeping him at $6M-$7M per season. I would offer some package including Nyquist/Tatar, Def prospect: Ouellet/Sproul/Jensen, Smith and our 1st rounder. I would actually make same offer for Shatty. This kind of addition will be huge for us.

Kenny will need to beef up front. Idea of having top 9, all 20 goal potential is not bad but need to add some grit and true hockey players which will create space for our skilled players.

Abdelakader - Z - Larkin

Mantha - Dats - FA (Lucic/Backes)

Svenichkov (SP) / Tatar or Nyquist if not traded - AA - She

Miller - LG - FA (Martin)

DD - Trouba/Shatty

Kronwall - Green

Errorson (unfortunately he will stay) - RHD with some grit and size (Prout/Gudas/McIlarth/McQuaid)

Ouellet - Marchenko

Edited April 9, 2016 by Dominator2005

[marcaractac 3,963]

Mrazek will end up again as a starting goalie... game one or game two.

I hope that Kenny will address size and toughness and that Blash will let AA and Mantha play. Under 5 min p/game for AA is not correct/enough.

Trouba will be RFA. I don't see Jets keeping him at $6M-$7M per season. I would offer some package including Nyquist/Tatar, Def prospect: Ouellet/Sproul/Jensen, Smith and our 1st rounder. I would actually make same offer for Shatty. This kind of addition will be huge for us.

Kenny will need to beef up front. Idea of having top 9, all 20 goal potential is not bad but need to add some grit and true hockey players which will create space for our skilled players.

Abdelakader - Z - Larkin

Mantha - Dats - FA (Lucic/Backes)

Svenichkov (SP) / Tatar or Nyquist if not traded - AA - She

Miller - LG - FA (Martin)

DD - Trouba/Shatty

Kronwall - Green

Errorson (unfortunately he will stay) - RHD with some grit and size (Prout/Gudas/McIlarth/McQuaid)

Ouellet - Marchenko

agreed on the mrazek prediction

[sjr2012 439]

agreed on the mrazek prediction

second that wouldnt be surprised to see mrazek some point in playoffs

[kliq 3,755]

Where does this idea that we would have to retain 50% of Howard's contract come from? I don't get it, the contract isn't THAT bad at all. I believe we can potentially trade him without retaining any of his cap-hit, but the most we would likely retain would be 25%, and even that I doubt would be the case...

It blows my mind that people still think there's all these untradeable contracts when it has been proven over and over again that any player / contract CAN be moved... Moving Howard won't be easy, but it's not as difficult / impossible as some people are making it seem...

Exactly. If Toronto can move David Clarkson's contract, then anything is possible.

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Exactly. If Toronto can move David Clarkson's contract, then anything is possible.

Only by taking on the contract of a guy who will never play again. Detroit already has Franzen eating up money for not playing, and probably Zetterberg in the not too distant future, how much more money will the Ilitches OK for that?

[kickazz 5,459]

Only by taking on the contract of a guy who will never play again. Detroit already has Franzen eating up money for not playing, and probably Zetterberg in the not too distant future, how much more money will the Ilitches OK for that?

If on LTIR next season it doesn't count towards the cap

[Wingnut1989 165]

i feel howards being over praised, during that "bad stretch" of mrazek's our whole team was playing like trash. Wings management just don't like seeing money sitting on the bench, they play the money. Thus is why they so heavily try to rely on dats and Z. Not sayin their incapable just im not sure they can carry this team anymore.

[Echolalia 2,961]

i feel howards being over praised, during that "bad stretch" of mrazek's our whole team was playing like trash. Wings management just don't like seeing money sitting on the bench, they play the money. Thus is why they so heavily try to rely on dats and Z. Not sayin their incapable just im not sure they can carry this team anymore.

The whole team has played like trash more or less all season. Mrazek has been a dumpster fire since his birthday, and for the most part it has had little to do with the play in front of him. Since he started playing bad, Howard has been much sharper. This is why he's been getting the starts. Not because he gets paid more, but because he has been giving the team the best chance to win. If it was because of his bigger paycheck, Howard would have been the starter all season long, and that clearly wasn't the case from October to February.

[kliq 3,755]

Only by taking on the contract of a guy who will never play again. Detroit already has Franzen eating up money for not playing, and probably Zetterberg in the not too distant future, how much more money will the Ilitches OK for that?

My point is that Clarkson had arguably the worst contract in the NHL and he was moved. Howard's contract IMO is not even close to the level of ridiculousness that is/was the Clarkson's contract. I know some like to crap all over Howard and act like he is garbage, but at the end of the day I feel he is a good goalie and that someone out there will trade for him if Holland makes him available, especially if he goes on a run in the playoffs.

I didn't mean he would be traded under identical circumstances as Clarkson.

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

Only by taking on the contract of a guy who will never play again. Detroit already has Franzen eating up money for not playing, and probably Zetterberg in the not too distant future, how much more money will the Ilitches OK for that?

You seem to have gone over the deep end with your pessimism. Z was 1 of only 3 of our players to play the full 82 games this year. Anyway, if you're really concerned about this possibility and Illitch's pocket book, Z's actual salary does the big nosedive after the next 2 years. Then those last 3 year of his contract he makes, 3.5, 1, and 1. If, for some reason, he doesn't play those years, it wouldn't be a huge dent in the owner's coffers.

Anyway, It's pretty certain we would pay over the cap if it wasn't there. Without even considering inflation. Our current cap (74.1 mill) isn't up to what Ilitch paid for the 2003-04 Wings (77.85 mill). I'm sure Ilitch wouldn't mind paying a few million extra. I've always assumed that these long contracts were signed by both sides with the knowledge that the final years possibly wouldn't be played.

Also, your point doesn't apply to the Howard discussion because I'm pretty sure that retained salary still marks against the cap so it wouldn't be Ilitch spending more money - just wasted cap space - which would be weighed against benefits of the capspace created be getting rid of the rest of Jimmy's contract

Edited April 10, 2016 by PavelValerievichDatsyuk

[DickieDunn 2,571]

If on LTIR next season it doesn't count towards the cap

It's still money that has to be paid