BobL 28 Report post Posted July 2, 2016 I am echoing what others have said already, but I think it needs to be echoed... I feel like a lot of the 'How did Holland sign this guy?' and 'Where's our change?!?!?' posts really ignore the part of the equation where you have to get someone to agree to come... Stamkos wasn't available. Okposo didn't want to come here. I think Nielson will be good, and makes the team better than it was last year. Of course we would all want a shorter term... but this is the reality of the market. 1 DatsyukianDekes reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted July 2, 2016 Both, Holland more recently. http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nhl/red-wings/2016/04/10/wings-opt-andersson-over-mantha-start-playoffs/82866748/ “Anthony Mantha was a spare part in the (AHL) Calder Cup playoffs a year ago. Why does anyone think he is going to be the answer in Detroit?” To me that is simply throwing someone under the bus and demonstrates a lack of control, and a CYA mentality. I can't believe for a second that is meant to motivate Mantha and if it was, KH needs to take 101 pysch course and a 101 management course. If any of us said something like this online, that's fine, but for a GM, that is absurd. And no, this is not the same as when Bowman would subtly play mind games to get players off their a$$. If I was Mantha, I'd be begging to be traded. A smart GM could see the potential of this kid in a better environment with the right mix of ways to motivate him to play to his potential. Mantha is mentally weak if something like that bothered him lol. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted July 2, 2016 Both, Holland more recently. http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nhl/red-wings/2016/04/10/wings-opt-andersson-over-mantha-start-playoffs/82866748/ “Anthony Mantha was a spare part in the (AHL) Calder Cup playoffs a year ago. Why does anyone think he is going to be the answer in Detroit?” To me that is simply throwing someone under the bus and demonstrates a lack of control, and a CYA mentality. I can't believe for a second that is meant to motivate Mantha and if it was, KH needs to take 101 pysch course and a 101 management course. If any of us said something like this online, that's fine, but for a GM, that is absurd. And no, this is not the same as when Bowman would subtly play mind games to get players off their a$$. If I was Mantha, I'd be begging to be traded. A smart GM could see the potential of this kid in a better environment with the right mix of ways to motivate him to play to his potential. Yawn. Overly sensitive way of thinking. Mantha is a big boy and I'm glad he hasn't requested for a trade and gotten a boo boo over this. He seems to be taking it better than you have lol. Haven't heard him complain about much and saw his family enjoy his first goal in the NHL as well. 1 13dangledangle reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted July 2, 2016 I hate that Holland comment with all of my heart and soul. It's stupid on so many levels. It encapsulates everything that's wrong with the state of the Wings. Just for starters (I'm only going to launch one complaint here, but please know that I could write an entire essay about this quote), "Why does anyone think he is going to be the answer in Detroit?" is a straw man argument, one Holland has trotted out before when attempting -- and failing -- to convincingly rationalize a decision to hold a younger player back, i.e. keep him in the minors when it's obvious to anyone and everyone not named Ken Holland that the player in question should be playing in the National Hockey League. People don't want Anthony Mantha in the lineup because they feel he's The Answer. They don't feel he's The Answer. What people feel is that Anthony Mantha brings certain elements to the lineup that are sorely lacking and sorely needed, e.g. size, high-level vision/thinking, scoring prowess, playmaking ability. It's like a Wings fan saying, "Thomas Vanek is 32, slow-footed, poor defensively, and he doesn't drive possession. He was at the center of a gambling scandal. He was bought out by the Wild (i.e. they are literally paying him to not play for them). Why does anyone think he is going to be the answer in Detroit?" Holland didn't sign Thomas Vanek because he feels he's The Answer. Holland doesn't think he's The Answer. What Holland feels is that Thomas Vanek brings certain elements to the lineup that are sorely lacking and sorely needed, e.g. size...high-level vision/thinking...scoring prowess...playmaking ability.... 4 Detroit \# 1 Fan, krsmith17, 13dangledangle and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lwing 68 Report post Posted July 2, 2016 Yawn. Overly sensitive way of thinking. Mantha is a big boy and I'm glad he hasn't requested for a trade and gotten a boo boo over this. He seems to be taking it better than you have lol. Haven't heard him complain about much and saw his family enjoy his first goal in the NHL as well. Are you and the other guy really this obtuse? It's not about Mantha's feelings, it is about Holland's lack of professionalism and using others as his excuse, not to mention verbally degrading a potential trade asset. Maybe only someone who has real responsibility and graduated beyond paper routes, flipping burgers and mowing lawns would understand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted July 2, 2016 (edited) Are you and the other guy really this obtuse? It's not about Mantha's feelings, it is about Holland's lack of professionalism and using others as his excuse, not to mention verbally degrading a potential trade asset. Maybe only someone who has real responsibility and graduated beyond paper routes, flipping burgers and mowing lawns would understand. It's sounds like it IS about feelings the way you put it. "If I was Mantha I'd want a trade". Blah blah blah boo freakin hoo. It sounds like you wanted a Jonathan Drouin 2.0 soap opera with the Red Wings. And what exactly happened with Drouin's situation? Jonathan Drouin looked like an idiot spoiled brat. Mantha clearly handled the situation well and didn't turn the it into a matinee of General Hospital like you were hoping for. If anything this entire situation makes Mantha look more professional. He handled it well, didn't overreact, and he came back to GR after Devallano's comments and had an excellent season. He even got called up and got to play with Datsyuk and scored some goals and made Grandad proud. And with a second bout of "criticism" from Holland, Mantha again, handled the situation without overreacting like a spoiled child and my guess is he will deter his critics and hopefully win a spot in the line-up 2016/17. And if he does make the line up. If he does become a top 6 winger in a few years. If he does become the face of one of the most well respected organizations in hockey history.. It will be quite funny to come back and read your overreacting post. And I'm sorry, the last time I checked, in the real world when people overreact against management and authority, whether it's in the business world, the medical field or in the domain of law, they tend to get their ass lit on fire. So instead of being closed-minded and thinking of it through the eye of a Holland critic, perhaps you could look at it through Mantha's perspective? He's a first round pick that has a reputation to maintain and he chose the path of professionalism and poise. Good for him. Edited July 2, 2016 by kickazz 3 NerveDamage, 13dangledangle and DatsyukianDekes reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
derblaueClaus 1,668 Report post Posted July 3, 2016 As others already stated: Nielsen is a good signing, the term however is far from ideal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted July 3, 2016 I know Frans isn't Datsyuk but it will be nice to rely on another top center playing over 80 games this year. Frans has only missed 5 games in the last 5 years which bodes well for us since we always have injured players. 4 The Datsyukian Deke, TheXym, krsmith17 and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wheelchairsuperhero 1,453 Report post Posted July 3, 2016 I know Frans isn't Datsyuk but it will be nice to rely on another top center playing over 80 games this year. Frans has only missed 5 games in the last 5 years which bodes well for us since we always have injured players. When he gets injured and misses half the season, I'm blaming you. 2 skerrydude and DatsyukianDekes reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted July 3, 2016 When he gets injured and misses half the season, I'm blaming you. If* then you can blame me 2 NerveDamage and Wheelchairsuperhero reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wings10 300 Report post Posted July 3, 2016 Six friggin years for a guy who is 32 lol..Holland needs to go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheDetroitRedWings 286 Report post Posted July 3, 2016 Are you and the other guy really this obtuse? It's not about Mantha's feelings, it is about Holland's lack of professionalism and using others as his excuse, not to mention verbally degrading a potential trade asset. Maybe only someone who has real responsibility and graduated beyond paper routes, flipping burgers and mowing lawns would understand. Ok Andy Dufresne Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,963 Report post Posted July 3, 2016 Nielsen will lead the team in points this year...he will have a career points outburst. Vanek will score 35 goals, 20 on the PP. Ott will get 68 games in and lead the team in hits and PIM's. Nyquist and Howard will both be traded along with one of Smith or E. Howard maybe not until the deadline. One of Pulkkinen or Jurco will not be A Red Wing to start the season. Helm and Abby will have career years along with Sheahan and Tatar. Larkin will outscore Eichel and Matthews this season. ...bold predictions part 1. 3 Hockeymom1960, NerveDamage and TheXym reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted July 3, 2016 Nielsen will lead the team in points this year...he will have a career points outburst. Vanek will score 35 goals, 20 on the PP. Ott will get 68 games in and lead the team in hits and PIM's. Nyquist and Howard will both be traded along with one of Smith or E. Howard maybe not until the deadline. One of Pulkkinen or Jurco will not be A Red Wing to start the season. Helm and Abby will have career years along with Sheahan and Tatar. Larkin will outscore Eichel and Matthews this season. ...bold predictions part 1. My predictions: Nielsen : 112 points Vanek : 47 goals, 31 assets (while playing on the 3rd line + winning 1st Vezina). Errorson : 84 points (Maurice Rocket Richard trophy) Ott : 357 penalty minutes, 654 hits, + 43 (Winning 1st Lady Bing trophy). Kronwall : Winning Selke and Calder trophy And then I woke up Also, Helm was a 50 goal scorer winning Jennings trophy... Pretty much sure that KH had a same dream 1 LeftWinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,963 Report post Posted July 3, 2016 (edited) My predictions: Nielsen : 112 points Vanek : 47 goals, 31 assets (while playing on the 3rd line + winning 1st Vezina). Errorson : 84 points (Maurice Rocket Richard trophy) Ott : 357 penalty minutes, 654 hits, + 43 (Winning 1st Lady Bing trophy). Kronwall : Winning Selke and Calder trophy And then I woke up Just an FYI, vezina is for goalies, Selke is for best defensive forward and Calder is Rookie of the Year....lol, I guess you were dreaming! Rocket Richard is for most goals, I'm pretty sure Jennings is for something entirely different too! 300+ pims is not very lady bing-like. Edited July 3, 2016 by LeftWinger 1 Dominator2005 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted July 3, 2016 Just an FYI, vezina is for goalies, Selke is for best defensive forward and Calder is Rookie of the Year....lol, I guess you were dreaming! Rocket Richard is for most goals, I'm pretty sure Jennings is for something entirely different too! 300+ pims is not very lady bing-like. Who cares, with this roster we are winning everything 1 LeftWinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,963 Report post Posted July 3, 2016 If he still qualifies, I think given 17+ mins a game, AA could have a great run at 2nd place in the Calder voting. We all know Mathews is the winner already. Although he is American, so that takes a few points away from him...AA is Canadian, he gets bonus points, but playing for the hated Wings takes some away too... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted July 3, 2016 (edited) If he still qualifies, I think given 17+ mins a game, AA could have a great run at 2nd place in the Calder voting. We all know Mathews is the winner already. Although he is American, so that takes a few points away from him...AA is Canadian, he gets bonus points, but playing for the hated Wings takes some away too... Given the fact that KH resigned Helm, I'm pretty much sure that AA will be sent down. Edited July 3, 2016 by Dominator2005 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,963 Report post Posted July 4, 2016 For those of you who didn't like the term of this contract, sit down, because he got the dreaded NMC included. God I hope he didn't give one to Helm.....ugh! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted July 4, 2016 (edited) So he has to be protected. How does the protected forwards list look now? Edited July 4, 2016 by kickazz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,963 Report post Posted July 4, 2016 He for sure needs to be protected, automatically. But I guess if they had landed Stamkos he would've been too. Not sure on the list, not sure of the rules. 2 yrs or less are safe? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted July 4, 2016 2 years or less are safe, yeah. And I feel like the NMC doesn't really matter.. They'd protect him either way. He probably just wanted assurance that he'd be protected where ever he went. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted July 4, 2016 Been pondering on Neilsen. I think he will definitely play out his contract and rarely miss games. (knock on wood). The only worry is how much his production will decline. But thinking about it, by the time he gets older, Larkin, Svech, Mantha will be into their primes. So I'm not sure if Neilsen's production will taper off all the much. 1 Internet.Unknown reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheXym 2,606 Report post Posted July 4, 2016 I agree with this. I think it is going to end up being a good pickup over the long haul. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted July 4, 2016 Since 2011 Neilsen has only missed 7 games ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites