• Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

Sign in to follow this  
LeftWinger

Jacob Trouba watch

Rate this topic

Recommended Posts

If Mantha keeps it up, it makes the like of Tatar and/or Nyquist more tradable. Those two hold value and are still young. They can fetch a nice return, if packaged correctly. They may not garner us Trouba, but maybe Fowler or Shattenkirk nearer the deadline.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, LeftWinger said:

If Mantha keeps it up, it makes the like of Tatar and/or Nyquist more tradable. Those two hold value and are still young. They can fetch a nice return, if packaged correctly. They may not garner us Trouba, but maybe Fowler or Shattenkirk nearer the deadline.

Maybe our trading partner wants Mantha instead?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Ya let's trade away a player with his size and scoring ability because we have so many of those waiting to come 

 

i know how desperate we are for defense but unless we're getting a real number 1 dman we shouldn't go too crazy , I'd much rather use athanasiou at this point cause the way the wings are using him he's gonna end helm 2.0 and at that point I'd rather keep the sniper and trade athanasiou before his value plummets completely

also obviously nyquist/Tatar as trade bait , 2nd round pick and beyond(no way we deal the first this season) smith,marchenko(rather keep ouellet and sproul as I see them with higher upside) ... Sheahan 

Anyways point is we have other chips to use , and if we don't get trouba now we can just wait till he said a ufa to come home, not like we're winning the cup next few seasons

 

If Mantha gets us Trouba, it must be done. Not like Blashill is gonna play him anyway. At least Trouba would make the roster by default. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It'd be a tough call, but if Mantha and a young lefty D-Man would get us Trouba, then we have to do it. There is no room for Mantha with the current roster, hell there's no room for Jurco when he heals. I'd hate to lose Mantha, but at least it wouldn't be for free like when he runs out of exemptions and there is still no room for him.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So nice to hear Bob MacKenzie to say that Detroit is very interested in Trouba and that Holland was at the Ducks/Devils game watching Fowler. 

I got a feeling Fowler will be here before Trouba. Once Holland acquires him, the need for Trouba will lesson, so our desperation will be less. Yes, I'm still hoping for both!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, LeftWinger said:

So nice to hear Bob MacKenzie to say that Detroit is very interested in Trouba and that Holland was at the Ducks/Devils game watching Fowler. 

I got a feeling Fowler will be here before Trouba. Once Holland acquires him, the need for Trouba will lesson, so our desperation will be less. Yes, I'm still hoping for both!

Do GM's usually go to the games themselves? Or do they usually send scouts? I only ask because if they usually send scouts, this is pretty big!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, kliq said:

Do GM's usually go to the games themselves? Or do they usually send scouts? I only ask because if they usually send scouts, this is pretty big!

If they're REALLY interested then the GM goes as well. 

Edited by kickazz

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Trouba would be nicer, as he is right handed.  Mantha + Ouellet would get it done.

The asking price by the Jets was Larkin plus another forward. No way the above offer gets it done. I wish it would, but no way.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 minutes ago, kliq said:

The asking price by the Jets was Larkin plus another forward. No way the above offer gets it done. I wish it would, but 

This isnt the Manhattan housing market.  A good GM shouldn't have to pay asking price to get Trouba out of Winnepeg.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
18 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

This isnt the Manhattan housing market.  A good GM shouldn't have to pay asking price to get Trouba out of Winnepeg.  

It doesn't matter how good a GM is, Winnipeg is trying to prove a point that they wont be pushed around by players. They already hold a reputation that players dont want to play there. There are going to hold out until they get the right deal, as if they give in, this could happen again and again.

The best thing we can hope for is that they play like crap, and then the teams starts to feel the pressure to make the move. Trouba is going to be good, but if trading him can be the difference between making the playoffs or not, I can see them making a move.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, kliq said:

Winnipeg is trying to prove a point that they wont be pushed around by players

Actually it will be even worst if they won´t be able to trade/sign him, it´s like saying: "hey, he doesn´t want to play here, we don´t want to let him go for free and are unable to find the solution, so we´re going to act like a stupid and let him go for free later then. ", what´s imo the reason why they will trade him finally (if Trouba has some balls and won´t accept bridge). 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Trouba has wanted out of Winnipeg for quite a while now, and this situation is just making it worse. If they make him sit out an entire season without trading him, would he become a UFA after this season? Or would he still be an RFA? I agree with kliq that Cheveldayoff should be playing hard ball, or he could find himself in this situation again and again. But at what point should he be willing to accept a lesser deal? I mean, they haven't exactly been playing great hockey to start the season. They're sitting on a very good asset that obviously doesn't want to play for them, when they could get a pretty nice return to help the team now and in the future... I bet he eventually cracks leading up to the December 1st deadline, when there's a little more pressure to get something worked out...

I have been VERY impressed (surprised) with Ouellet so far this season, and he has been our best defenseman for stretches in these 4 games. He was far and away our best defenseman last night, and the argument could be made about all 4 games... Maybe, just maybe he becomes an intriguing piece for Winnipeg. He's around the same age as Trouba (7 months older), left-handed shot, potential top 4, which is exactly what they're looking for... Obviously more would have to be added to make it work, but maybe Nyquist / Tatar, Ouellet and a pick could be enough leading up to deadline a little over a month away...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, kliq said:

 

The best thing we can hope for is that they play like crap, and then the teams starts to feel the pressure to make the move.

You mean like their stellar 2 -2 start where their only definitive win was a 4-0 victory over the Flames?  OT wins against Carolina and TO.  Loss to Boston.  ???That kind of crap????  ;)

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Let's send it over to e_prime for our daily Defenseman-Watch Update:

 

Quote
Jacob Trouba of the Winnipeg Jets and Hampus Lindholm of the Anaheim Ducks
On the Anaheim Ducks …

Bob McKenzie: Anaheim Ducks RFA Hampus Lindholm would be giving up two years of unrestricted free agency compared to the one-year for Rasmus Ristolainen on a six-year deal, which is why he’s looking for a little more.

Bob McKenzie: Guessing that they are around $250,000 a year apart on a six-year deal. The Ducks have cap/budget issues and potentially a trade that they have to deal with as well.

On the Winnipeg Jets …
 

Scott Billeck of the Winnipeg Free Press: The agent for Jacob Trouba, Kurt Overhardt, said there isn’t concern about Trouba missing the entire NHL season. To be eligible to play in the NHL this season, RFAs must be signed before December 1st.

“It’s only Oct. 17… it’s not something on our minds,” Overhardt said Monday. “There’s obviously a lot of time between now and then. We’re going to continue to keep working in good faith and try helping to facilitate a positive transaction so everyone can benefit.

 

“It’s not really an issue at this point.”

If Trouba doesn’t have a NHL contract in place by December 1st, they do have a plan in place.

“We have to contemplate everything, but it’s not something we are going to discuss as it involves our client and it’s a private matter,” he said, adding he’d spoken with Jets general manager Kevin Cheveldayoff earlier in the day. “Any of the conversations we have with (the Jets) are very amicable and those are private, too.”

On the Winnipeg Jets and Jacob Trouba … the Anaheim Ducks and Hampus Lindholm …

Michael Traikos of the National Post: Though their situations are different, Jacob Trouba and Hampus Lindholm are at a similar crossroads. Both RFAs are 22-year old and would like more money and/or opportunity to show that they are young stars.

“I think we all know that we wouldn’t be in this situation right now if it wasn’t a young man’s game,” said Kurt Overhardt, who represents Trouba. “Part of it is systemic. But the other part is the skill level of players coming out of junior and college and Europe is pretty incredible.

“We’ve got 18-, 19- and 20-year-olds playing huge roles on teams. And at 22 years old, a player doesn’t want to stay around waiting if he thinks his ability is greater than the opportunity he’s been given, because there’s really great players in front of him.”

Neither Trouba or Lindholm have much negotiating leverage as they wait for a deal to get done.

“The season is more than three games,” said player agent Claude Lemieux, who represents Lindholm. “Trying to get a long-term deal is more than just the performance of the team during a short period of time. There’s definitely motivation from both sides to try and get a deal done.”

Michael Traikos: Trouba’s agent Kurt Overhardt: “This is nothing like (Jonathan) Drouin. It shouldn’t be personal. We continue to speak to the club — everything’s amicable”

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
9 hours ago, kliq said:

It doesn't matter how good a GM is, Winnipeg is trying to prove a point that they wont be pushed around by players. They already hold a reputation that players dont want to play there. There are going to hold out until they get the right deal, as if they give in, this could happen again and again.

The best thing we can hope for is that they play like crap, and then the teams starts to feel the pressure to make the move. Trouba is going to be good, but if trading him can be the difference between making the playoffs or not, I can see them making a move.

If Holland adds enough value, then Trouba should be available.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
9 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

If Holland adds enough value, then Trouba should be available.

It all comes down to the question "is Hollands offer more valuable to the Jets then the offers being made by the other 28 teams". Not that every team is going to put in an offer, but the Jets are going to see what is out there and wait unless Holland throws an offer they cannot refuse at them right now (ie. Larkin) which I wouldn't even do 1 for 1. With that being said, if too much time passes and Detroit's offer is the best one, then they may accept it. It wont be now though. Chevy is currently swinging for the fences, we need to wait until he's willing to accept a double.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't think Mantha has been an enigma at all... I think he has taken a natural path of progression, it's just that some fans had way too high expectations on the kid coming out of junior. He broke his leg two years ago, which naturally caused him to have somewhat of a down year. Last year he showed steady improvement, and he's off to an amazing start to this season... Mantha will be a very good NHL player, it just depends on when and with what team... Hopefully soon and with the Red Wings. He's exactly the type of player this team needs in their lineup.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

Sign in to follow this