12/9 GDT - Blue Jackets at Red Wings - 7:30 PM EST

[DickieDunn 2,571]

That and I figure alot of the posters here were just bandwagon for the most part. Grew up as kids watching from the mid-90's or 00's when the team was always winning alot of regular season and playoff games and four Cups and made six trips to the Finals. Even if they didn't always make it past the first or second round in the playoffs, always knew they'd be in Cup contention again the next season, so it was something to look forward too. Now that there's nothing to look forward too for a few years, they've scattered as fast as a flock of birds after a gunshot.

People acknowledging that the team isn't that good and need a rebuild not a retool= haters and band wagon fans. I watched the Tigers all through their 119 loss season, Michigan football fall apart under DickFraud, and 25 years of the Lions bumbling fumbling and teasing. This Wings team is not close to a contender, they have a bush league coach, a GM living in the past just hoping to catch lightning in a bottle, and ownership more interested in playoff revenue and prepping their new arena than winning a Cup. If you think that means I'm some band wagon schmuck you go to the nearest sex shop, buy the biggest dildo you can find, and **** yourself.

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[chaps80 1,591]

4 minutes ago, DickieDunn said:

People acknowledging that the team isn't that good and need a rebuild not a retool= haters and band wagon fans. I watched the Tigers all through their 119 loss season, Michigan football fall apart under DickFraud, and 25 years of the Lions bumbling fumbling and teasing. This Wings team is not close to a contender, they have a bush league coach, a GM living in the past just hoping to catch lightning in a bottle, and ownership more interested in playoff revenue and prepping their new arena than winning a Cup. If you think that means I'm some band wagon schmuck you go to the nearest sex shop, buy the biggest dildo you can find, and **** yourself.

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Dude..did I mention you? Your still here posting, no? I'm talking about actual bandwagon fans, ones that love the team when they win, but can't be bothered at all or deny being a fan when they lose, or they change teams all together. They also don't know hockey from a hole in the ground. I know there are true fans who don't want to watch or post during s***ty times, but guaranteed quite a few of the registered users here are bandwagon and have ditched the team and now like the Habs or Pens or something.

[DickieDunn 2,571]

There's been plenty of "you're just a hater" BS thrown around at anyone who isn't all sunshine and unicorns farting rainbows about the team and certain players. Excuse me for getting tired of it.

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[kliq 3,763]

4 minutes ago, DickieDunn said:

There's been plenty of "you're just a hater" BS thrown around at anyone who isn't all sunshine and unicorns farting rainbows about the team and certain players. Excuse me for getting tired of it.

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I don't question your fandom Dickie, I think you are very cynical regarding the Wings and I have said that many times, but I can tell you're a fan.

I hate the term "haters" to begin with, but when I think of someone who fits that description its someone who hates a player regardless of what they do or accomplish, search Franzen on here to see what I mean. The people who I also question are those who when the Wings are losing love to spout off thread after thread after thread, but when the Wings are winning completely disappear. There are those who I believe if asked in private if they wanted the Wings to win the cup this year, would say no as they would rather be "right" about their opinions then see the team win. Their main concern is pushing the narrative they have created.

Those that post here day after day, actually watch the games, go to games etc. Those are the real fans. Those who only give a s*** if we are elite, are bandwagon jumpers.

[chaps80 1,591]

2 hours ago, sjr2012 said:

i still love them even if they finish dead last for 15 years

Same. I was there for some s***ty years before The Streak. Hell, even during it there was some rough times. First round loss to SJ where Osgood gave Game 7 away in the final minutes comes to mind.

[kliq 3,763]

2 minutes ago, chaps80 said:

Same. I was there for some s***ty years before The Streak. Hell, even during it there was some rough times. First round loss to SJ where Osgood gave Game 7 away in the final minutes comes to mind.

I can remember that like it was yesterday. I was 12 at the time and I can remember just sitting on my couch so angry afterwards as I didnt understand how we could lose to a #8 seed. Coming off the Nikolai Borchevsky goal the year before, that was a tough one.

[RedWingsRox 614]

Man, a guy can go from hottest "NHL coach in waiting" to crappiest coach real quick ... if you believe what you read on forums/boards.   

[ami 273]

Thank you, Petr! That's one on you.  Wings got hit by your critical days again. How predictable...
But don't worry, Petr, consensus here you gonna be fine, get better, you glove catching improve as well as rebound control, your hair will grow and paychecks keep coming... so do not worry, kid.
Wings, however, is a different story. This game shown it wouldn't matter how good or bad squad in front of you plays. Wings were a better team tonight, Jackets had better goalie. Wings lost.

Thank you, Petr.

Edited December 10, 2016 by ami

[frankgrimes 1,836]

I think the term bandwagoner is becoming as commonly used as the words fanboy or it's opposite hater. There are lots of reason why I've started to watch less and less NHL games. First of all I just want to dedicate more freetime to more important stuff like my chick, DIY Pcs and attending car shows, plus the games are starting at ungodly hours here and thanks to the redesign of a lot of websites it has become near impossible to watch the highlights without DVRing the games. Doing this is also increasingly diffciult because the NHL is shutting down great services for whatever reason. That basically means if you forget to DVR the game you are out of luck and I'm not willing to put in a great effort which means going out of my way to watch the so called "highlights" on a myspace site labeled as <insert team name>´.

Second and more importantly the quality of the games has gone down overall. Yes leaner years are part of this NHL era fine but doing what'sd necessary is also part of this era so watching a team losing all it's stars due to retirment, age or the wish to play elsewhere has been a tough pill to swallow when you are used to getting the guys you want, no questions asked. Add to that a GM that is still lifingin the past, believes this is still 2008 and a billionaires son whos number 1 priority is to squeeze money from taxpayers to get his over the top LC logo on the new arena and not caring enough to make this once proud franchise great again and you have a perfect receipt for apathy. Of course this team is going to win some games and they are going to lose some of them but almost everyone knows the endgame by now, they either squeeze in to the playoffs or barely miss and then are out of getting a great pick, just so Chris and Holland can claim the streak has reached 26 years, altough the team needs elite talent more than a streak. If that's good enough for some fine personally my expectations for the Red Wings (longterm) are higher than that. If people think that's spoiled, bandwagonlike or whatever fine, to each their own.

Does that mean I'm willing to ditch the team and jump on another bandwagon? For sure not it just means I'm not willing to waste my time from 1.30 AM to almost 3.30 AM on weekdays or weekend if there are better entertainment options outthere at the end of the day freetime is important to everyone and everyone should do what fits him best. Once again, if that means I'm a bandwagoner, hater or whatever so be it

 

[Andy Pred 48 337]

We have a .500 roster that is performing as such, no major issues that any realistic fans didn't forsee , unlike some of the front office that should have and acted on 3 or 4 years ago. 

[shocky2002 36]

IMO it's pretty important to understand this:

We're just customers to a product run and played by millionaire businessmen and athletes who would not even take a look at us if we were set on fire. 

With that in mind, there's no reason for anybody to remain dead loyal to any product. Especially not one as mediocre as the Red Wings.

[Echolalia 2,961]

51 minutes ago, Andy Pred 48 said:

LeWe have a .500 roster that is performing as such, no major issues that any realistic fans didn't forsee , unlike some of the front office that should have and acted on 3 or 4 years ago. 

I disagree with the first part.  Babcock's last year as coach we were a .610 team. Blashill inherited that team minus Weiss and plus right-handed defenseman Green and wonder kid Larkin, and with our "new core" or Tatar, Nyquist, Sheahan etc all with another year experience under their belt.  On paper the roster looked even better than Babs final squad, and many folks thought the fresh voice of a new coach would be even more to be optimistic about.  But the Wings dropped to a .567 team.  Okay maybe that was just growing pains from a first year head coach.  The last offseason we lost Datsyuk, which is huge, but to be clear we lost 2016 Datsyuk who misses 25% of the season due to injury and is only giving us ~50 points a season now with diminishing returns yearly, and not 2008 Datysuk. Nielsen alone should be enough to cover his production, as well as much of his defensive awareness.  We also added Vanek, who has exceeded everyone's expectations.  Blash has some NHL experience now and the young guys have another year under their belt.  Again, I think this roster is built to be better than last year's, as well as the year before.  Yet right now the Wings are sitting at .518.  There is absolutely no reason why this team shouldn't be at least .600 with the players they have.

[LeftWinger 5,153]

8 hours ago, RedWingsRox said:

Man, a guy can go from hottest "NHL coach in waiting" to crappiest coach real quick ... if you believe what you read on forums/boards.   

He was the best in waiting, until he got here and realized he has no control over who he plays based on salary. Can't have $4M players in the press box even though they are the worse player. It's a bureaucracy here. He has to play certain players in certain roles based on salary. Now he is just a pawn of Holland. 

It needs to be stated again, that this team has the highest payroll in the NHL.

[kickazz 5,459]

Part of the issue I think Babcock is given too much credit here (even I do it). No doubt he is a better coach than Blashill, but he also had the luxury of prime Zetterberg and Datsyuk. 

Just look at how the 2013, 2014 and 2015 seasons went. Z and D carried us into the 2013 playoffs. In 2014 when they both got injured, we BARELY made it into the playoffs. In fact we did worse that year under Babcock than we did with Blashill last year. 

It's no wonder Babcock booked it as soon as Zetterberg showed signs of age in the playoffs against Tampa bay in 2014-15. 

I think a team with elite superstar players like Datsyuk and Zetterberg will always trump a team with Tatar, Nyquist, Larkin, Nielsen at their best.

It's not that we no longer have Babcock and now we have Blashill. That's a small part of the equation. I think the bigger/biggest part is that we no longer have Lidstrom, Datsyuk and only a fraction of Zetterberg.

I mean just look at the difference between the 2012 and 2013 season. We had such a hard time getting into the playoffs as soon as we lost Lidstrom, while in 2012 we broke the NHL record for home win streak... 

Edited December 10, 2016 by kickazz

[The Datsyukian Deke 127]

@frankgrimes: Looks like the same timezone I'm in..why don't you just buy GCL?

[kliq 3,763]

5 hours ago, frankgrimes said:

I think the term bandwagoner is becoming as commonly used as the words fanboy or it's opposite hater. There are lots of reason why I've started to watch less and less NHL games. First of all I just want to dedicate more freetime to more important stuff like my chick, DIY Pcs and attending car shows, plus the games are starting at ungodly hours here and thanks to the redesign of a lot of websites it has become near impossible to watch the highlights without DVRing the games. Doing this is also increasingly diffciult because the NHL is shutting down great services for whatever reason. That basically means if you forget to DVR the game you are out of luck and I'm not willing to put in a great effort which means going out of my way to watch the so called "highlights" on a myspace site labeled as <insert team name>´.

Second and more importantly the quality of the games has gone down overall. Yes leaner years are part of this NHL era fine but doing what'sd necessary is also part of this era so watching a team losing all it's stars due to retirment, age or the wish to play elsewhere has been a tough pill to swallow when you are used to getting the guys you want, no questions asked. Add to that a GM that is still lifingin the past, believes this is still 2008 and a billionaires son whos number 1 priority is to squeeze money from taxpayers to get his over the top LC logo on the new arena and not caring enough to make this once proud franchise great again and you have a perfect receipt for apathy. Of course this team is going to win some games and they are going to lose some of them but almost everyone knows the endgame by now, they either squeeze in to the playoffs or barely miss and then are out of getting a great pick, just so Chris and Holland can claim the streak has reached 26 years, altough the team needs elite talent more than a streak. If that's good enough for some fine personally my expectations for the Red Wings (longterm) are higher than that. If people think that's spoiled, bandwagonlike or whatever fine, to each their own.

Does that mean I'm willing to ditch the team and jump on another bandwagon? For sure not it just means I'm not willing to waste my time from 1.30 AM to almost 3.30 AM on weekdays or weekend if there are better entertainment options outthere at the end of the day freetime is important to everyone and everyone should do what fits him best. Once again, if that means I'm a bandwagoner, hater or whatever so be it

 

One thing I dont understand from your posts Frank, is your opinion regarding Chris Ilitch. From all reports I have read, Chris is a guy who is much more open to re-building then his father. Mike Ilitch is said to have a "win now" mentality, which essentially means every summer load up on UFA, never trade star players, or even good players which is what we are doing. The problem with Mike Ilitch is i 2016 in the cap era UFA can only fix so much as UFA is filled with above average players who end up being overpaid. Don't your views mesh more with Chris ilitch then Mike?

[Mckinley25 679]

I don't know how many people this affects, but if you don't have cable it's difficult to watch the games.  With more and more people opting out of cable in favor of other TV options, it'd be nice to see the NHL provide a streaming option for Michigan residents.  

I don't want to spend $100 a month to have cable when the only thing I'd watch is Hockey, I'd gladly pay for Game Center but it's not an option sadly with all the blackouts.

[Jacksoni 418]

Lots of discussions in here going left and right. In my opinion after watching the game we plainly got dominated by Columbus at home.

Yes, Mantha did hit the post twice. And yes we did have chances. But we did get dominated. Rewatch the game if in doubt. They were superior and we were inferior. It is just the way it was.

I believe we are closing in to what marks the end of a line of thinking in this club. It'll hurt a little, but life is a cycle of ups and downs. Deal with it. I'm preparing for it.

[kickazz 5,459]

@kickazz Woah we can do this on the website now? 

[krsmith17 7,191]

22 minutes ago, Jacksoni said:

Lots of discussions in here going left and right. In my opinion after watching the game we plainly got dominated by Columbus at home.

Yes, Mantha did hit the post twice. And yes we did have chances. But we did get dominated. Rewatch the game if in doubt. They were superior and we were inferior. It is just the way it was.

I believe we are closing in to what marks the end of a line of thinking in this club. It'll hurt a little, but life is a cycle of ups and downs. Deal with it. I'm preparing for it.

I'm really not sure what game you watched, but we outplayed Columbus for large portions of that game last night. We out-shot them 33-25, out-chanced them, lead them by a wide margin in puck possession (60.55% corsi), dominated the faceoff circle (62%)... Mrazek had an off game, and we couldn't capitalize on our opportunities... that's why we lost, not because we "got dominated"...

In saying that, we still aren't icing our best team. If Lashoff is still in over Sproul tomorrow, I will lose my s***... Mantha had another unreal game, and continues to be one of our top players every night. Jurco looked really good, but continues to get demoted for whatever reason... Glendening continues to be an anchor in the top 6... Blashill continues to piss off fans...

[Wheelchairsuperhero 1,453]

7 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

I'm really not sure what game you watched, but we outplayed Columbus for large portions of that game last night. We out-shot them 33-25, out-chanced them, lead them by a wide margin in puck possession (60.55% corsi), dominated the faceoff circle (62%)... Mrazek had an off game, and we couldn't capitalize on our opportunities... that's why we lost, not because we "got dominated"...

In saying that, we still aren't icing our best team. If Lashoff is still in over Sproul tomorrow, I will lose my s***... Mantha had another unreal game, and continues to be one of our top players every night. Jurco looked really good, but continues to get demoted for whatever reason... Glendening continues to be an anchor in the top 6... Blashill continues to piss off fans...

Just like a few games ago, if there isn't some kind of change (Glendenning back where he should be, or Sproul for that matter), I won't be watching tomorrow's game. I can watch a losing team, I won't watch an inept coaching staff shoot its own team in the foot.

[kickazz 5,459]

So we can all agree that Blashill is inept and if the reports about Zetterberg contradicting the coach and the Swedish Mafia calling the shots in the locker room are true, they were right to do so?

Am I right??? Justified?

Edited December 10, 2016 by kickazz

[GoalieManPat 1,007]

4 hours ago, Mckinley25 said:

I don't know how many people this affects, but if you don't have cable it's difficult to watch the games.  With more and more people opting out of cable in favor of other TV options, it'd be nice to see the NHL provide a streaming option for Michigan residents.  

I don't want to spend $100 a month to have cable when the only thing I'd watch is Hockey, I'd gladly pay for Game Center but it's not an option sadly with all the blackouts.

Gamecenter live + vpn service = no blackouts. Takes about 5 minutes to setup. There are options.

[GoalieManPat 1,007]

2 hours ago, Jacksoni said:

Lots of discussions in here going left and right. In my opinion after watching the game we plainly got dominated by Columbus at home.

Yes, Mantha did hit the post twice. And yes we did have chances. But we did get dominated. Rewatch the game if in doubt. They were superior and we were inferior. It is just the way it was.

Actually thats not at all what happened. For the most part the game was even if not the Wings being the better team. The difference in the game was at one position. Mrazek was off his game and gifted two of the easiest goals you will see all season and Bobrovski looked like his Vezina 2013 self. That was the the only difference in the game. 

[Mckinley25 679]

13 minutes ago, GoalieManPat said:

Gamecenter live + vpn service = no blackouts. Takes about 5 minutes to setup. There are options.

Is that legal?