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3 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

https://www.hockeyprospect.com/2017-nhl-draft-rankings/

Final Draft rankings from hockeyprospect

5. Pettersson
9. Necas
10. Liljegren
22. Tippett
 

Hague undrafted in the 1st again

I'd love for that to happen, because then we could maybe snag him in the 2nd! I like that draft ranking! I also like that Tippett is 22 on that list, now I absolutely trade the #9 to St, Louis for the #20 and #27...I'd even throw in a player to entice them even more!

 

to DET : #20 and #27 2017 Draft Picks

to STL : #9 2017 pick ; Darren Helm

20th pick - Owen Tippet  27th pick - Nicolas Hague

Hey, that would be MY perfect scenario, I know a lot of you don't agree and that is fine!

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2 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

I'd love for that to happen, because then we could maybe snag him in the 2nd! I like that draft ranking! I also like that Tippett is 22 on that list, now I absolutely trade the #9 to St, Louis for the #20 and #27...I'd even throw in a player to entice them even more!

 

to DET : #20 and #27 2017 Draft Picks

to STL : #9 2017 pick ; Darren Helm

20th pick - Owen Tippet  27th pick - Nicolas Hague

Hey, that would be MY perfect scenario, I know a lot of you don't agree and that is fine!

Tippett could go top 10, could go top 25, we just don't know, he's projected all over the place.

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Just now, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Tippett could go top 10, could go top 25, we just don't know, he's projected all over the place.

I know, the list I put up from TSN has him #7 I believe! I would love to have him, but if he's gone, there is a handful of kids that would be fine too, and yes that includes Pettersson.  I am just holding out hope for my favorite to become a Red Wing... I can only hope, but, it's not like Holland hasn't disappointed any of us before! :lol:

 

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Just a PSA/FYI here, I will on the road driving during the 1st round of the draft, so don't be to disappointed when I am not ranting right away! :lol:

Actually, I won't be too mad really, we all have our favorites, but they'll draft who they need. I'm okay with it, I'd love to see Tippett, but I'd be OK if they passed on him to get something that'll bring us a Cup before Pitt or Chicago gets another one!

Doesn't mean I won't fire off a couple of explanative words if he does pass on him though! I have to! It's my duty!

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I have put Mittlestadt on my avoid list.  Anyone comes so ill prepared to a camp that he cant do one pull up I have to question his commitment.  Its not like he didn't know what drills he would have to do. For gawd sake come prepared. Wasn't Sam Bennett of Calgary in the same predicurment?

For now my list is Glass, Suzuki, then Necas

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6 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

Just a PSA/FYI here, I will on the road driving during the 1st round of the draft, so don't be to disappointed when I am not ranting right away! :lol:

Actually, I won't be too mad really, we all have our favorites, but they'll draft who they need. I'm okay with it, I'd love to see Tippett, but I'd be OK if they passed on him to get something that'll bring us a Cup before Pitt or Chicago gets another one!

Doesn't mean I won't fire off a couple of explanative words if he does pass on him though! I have to! It's my duty!

Just please don't listen to it on the radio. I could foresee a multi-car pileup if Pettersson is chosen.

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1 hour ago, HoweFan said:

I have put Mittlestadt on my avoid list.  Anyone comes so ill prepared to a camp that he cant do one pull up I have to question his commitment.  Its not like he didn't know what drills he would have to do. For gawd sake come prepared. Wasn't Sam Bennett of Calgary in the same predicurment?

For now my list is Glass, Suzuki, then Necas

Yeah, in all the years I've been watching hockey, I can't even count the number of games I've seen decided by pull-ups.

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10 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Just when Nill is in line to take the D-man he desperately needs, he's presented a forward he can't pass on :lol:

It's been the Oilers problem for several years until they got a GM with the guts to trade for defense lol

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Maybe, just maybe Vilardi could drop to us? Or far enough for Holland to trade up?

1 hour ago, marcaractac said:

Nill will be s***tin' kittens if that's true

So then Holland trades the #9 and a D-man to Nill for the #3. We draft Patrick or Vilardi and they get a D with the #9. Simple!

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51 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Just when Nill is in line to take the D-man he desperately needs, he's presented a forward he can't pass on :lol:

Kenny needs to figure out a way to get that 3rd overall if this is true.

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6 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

Maybe, just maybe Vilardi could drop to us? Or far enough for Holland to trade up?

So then Holland trades the #9 and a D-man to Nill for the #3. We draft Patrick or Vilardi and they get a D with the #9. Simple!

Then we are even more boned on defense than we already are? No thanks! If he somehow moved up to #3, it's to go for Heiskanen or Makar, not Patrick or Vilardi. 

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8 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

Then we are even more boned on defense than we already are? No thanks! If he somehow moved up to #3, it's to go for Heiskanen or Makar, not Patrick or Vilardi. 

You wouldn't want Hischier or Patrick? Then you potentially have your 1 and 2 centers for the future in one of them and Larkin and can keep AA on the wing. Trade Tatar or Nyquist a prospect and a pick for a Dman.

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13 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

Then we are even more boned on defense than we already are? No thanks! If he somehow moved up to #3, it's to go for Heiskanen or Makar, not Patrick or Vilardi. 

I'm going to have to disagree with you there. I'd take Patrick or Vilardi over Heiskanen or Makar. I think we need centers as much as defense, thinking long term. We'd still have a massive hole on defense, but we could fill that via trade or next years draft. We're not going to be good for another couple years, so it's best player available for me. In saying that, I think it's going to cost a lot more than I'd be willing to pay to move up 6 spots in the draft...

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His offensive ceiling is not too high and he may never quarterback the powerplay but he has good hockey sense...

No. 

If we trade up, it's to get the #1 center marquee player we need.  Patrick, Vilardi, Hischier. It's not to get a defenseman who's ceiling is not too high...but I do understand wanting one of your favorites to be a Red Wing. 

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5 minutes ago, BadgerBob said:

You wouldn't want Hischier or Patrick? Then you potentially have your 1 and 2 centers for the future in one of them and Larkin and can keep AA on the wing. Trade Tatar or Nyquist a prospect and a pick for a Dman.

I want to see Holland fill the team's biggest need and draft a legit top pairing potential dman. It's been proven time and time again over the last calendar year that they cost a hell of a lot more than players like Goose or Tats in a trade. We're among the worst in the league on the blueline. The outlook down the middle currently isn't as bleak. 

5 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

I'm going to have to disagree with you there. I'd take Patrick or Vilardi over Heiskanen or Makar. I think we need centers as much as defense, thinking long term. We'd still have a massive hole on defense, but we could fill that via trade or next years draft. We're not going to be good for another couple years, so it's best player available for me. In saying that, I think it's going to cost a lot more than I'd be willing to pay to move up 6 spots in the draft...

I just feel high-end dman are more difficult to come by than high-end centers (not that centers are easy to come by. In terms of trades, I think it's best to worry about defense first and trade for a center if need be. Who knows how Larkin, AA, Svech will be in 2-3 years. For all we know, we could end up being fine down the middle as is. The same can't be said on the blueline at all. If this was a draft with the likes of Auston Mathews or Connor McDavid I'd agree with you 100%. But that isn't the case this year at all. 

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3 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

I want to see Holland fill the team's biggest need and draft a legit top pairing potential dman. It's been proven time and time again over the last calendar year that they cost a hell of a lot more than players like Goose or Tats in a trade. We're among the worst in the league on the blueline. The outlook down the middle currently isn't as bleak. 

Acquiring top pair defensemen probably will take more than a package starting with Nyquist or Tatar, but adding a piece like Patrick or Vilardi would allow us to trade an Athanasiou or Svechnikov. I think either of those (especially Svech) would be a great starting point to acquire a young, potential top pair defenseman.

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7 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

Acquiring top pair defensemen probably will take more than a package starting with Nyquist or Tatar, but adding a piece like Patrick or Vilardi would allow us to trade an Athanasiou or Svechnikov. I think either of those (especially Svech) would be a great starting point to acquire a young, potential top pair defenseman.

It works the other way around as well, however. Draft a high-end dman, and you can just package a guy like AA or Svech for a top center instead. Though I feel that taking a damn instead of a center in the draft gives Holland the option of seeing how things play out over the next couple seasons with Larkin, AA, and Svech.

Drafting a center and trading for a dman might make the team better a little sooner, but I guess it all comes down to the potential of guys like Makar or Heiskanen. Will they be better than guys like Trouba or Theodore? Maybe, maybe not. But I feel like taking that gamble is worth it. 

It's all merely conversation anyway. I still think the best plan is to just stick with the pick we have and take Liljegren. But if we did trade up, I'd like it to be for Makar or Heiskanen. In the end, Patrick does not come without risk either after his injury issues he has had. Basically, the draft needs to hurry the f*** up lol

3 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

I'd draft Liljegren before Heiskanen, but neither at #3. #3 You need the C that will no doubt be on your team come October. 

 

And what if they are drafted at #1 and 2?

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4 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

It works the other way around as well, however. Draft a high-end dman, and you can just package a guy like AA or Svech for a top center instead. Though I feel that taking a damn instead of a center in the draft gives Holland the option of seeing how things play out over the next couple seasons with Larkin, AA, and Svech.

Drafting a center and trading for a dman might make the team better a little sooner, but I guess it all comes down to the potential of guys like Makar or Heiskanen. Will they be better than guys like Trouba or Theodore? Maybe, maybe not. But I feel like taking that gamble is worth it. 

It's all merely conversation anyway. I still think the best plan is to just stick with the pick we have and take Liljegren. But if we did trade up, I'd like it to be for Makar or Heiskanen. In the end, Patrick does not come without risk either after his injury issues he has had. Basically, the draft needs to hurry the f*** up lol

And what if they are drafted at #1 and 2?

You have Patrick, Hischier and Vilardi. I understand the need for D as well, but these three are well documented to best in the draft. I'm perplexed as to why NJ would select Makar, but then again it is need. We need both, but I believe we need to start with the marquee center. You never know if we may be able to land Fowler or Trouba...again, I don't like the whole "doesn't have a high ceiling and may never quarterback thed pp." In a #1 D, those are two things we most definitely need.

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