There were at least three times, including when he chased down Burish, during the Dallas game where Hudler was the only guy back on defense and he looked pretty good. Modano has always been a good defensive player and in his prime was a Selke candidate, which tells me you just don't know much about him. Both are capable goal scorers as well, it's not like having Craig Janney and Adam Oates on a line together.
Madonna isn't in his prime anymore. He's never been a shut down center, which is what 3rd line centers are predominantly used for. It's not something he'll likely feel comfortable doing.
And anything you say about Hudler is overly biased and wildly unrealistic. He's nothing more than a skilled player that occasionaly plays well when he has the right linemates. He's too streaky and not consistent enough to be relied upon game to game.
Unlike some of the over exuberant posters around here, commons sense told me that Madonna and Hudler are not good 3rd line players. They're not used to being in that role and are both subpar defensively. Also, they're pass first guys, and there's no pure goal scorer on that line for them to pass it to. Not to mention, both players aren't willing enough to play along the boards.
It's early, but I'm sticking to my preseason prediction that the whole line isn't likely to work well.
I agree with you GMR, as I stated the team should be critized but by reading the topics you would think that we hadn't won a game in 3 seasons. I guess I would prefer a bit of logic and fair analysis as opposed to extremes, that being said you are correct the differing opinions do entertain, but the overwhelming negativity also frustrates me so I thought I should add some positive counter point, I in no way doubt anyones claim of being a fan as that's their personal decision, I am guilty of titling my thread with a polarizing title to garner attention.
As for DRWrus, that's unfortunate, it would be like going to Australia to whale watch and not seeing one, it seems you just had some bad luck as the Red Wings winning percentage is better than any other NHL team the last 15+ years. If you really don't like them anymore because they let you down (that's a lot of $$$) then I understand but why not select a new team to follow no team is going to win all their games.
Oh, I know. I was responding to the post directly above mine, which talked about most posters here not being real fans.
I hate it when people say that. Reminds me of something a certain poster (who shall remain nameless) would say.
All the really successful sports teams have the most neurotic fans.
Fans have the right to think what they want. They don't "owe" the team anything really. The team provides fans with entertainment, while fans provide teams and owners with actual revenue, which goes into player salaries.
LGW is actually more fun with neurotic threads. Go to a Panthers or Thrashers board, and see how many people give a damn there. Not many, hence not as interesting a discussion board.
His defensive play has been anything but good. He's already turned over more pucks this year than he usually does over any 4 month period. The pairing with Stuart has been a disaster in every game. He's not doing much on the powerplay either, although a lot of that has to do with Rafalski's absence.
I think his play will improve eventually, but I don't see him coming back another year. I think he has a lot more hockey left in him (look at Chelios), but he's too proud to play the game at a level lower than great.
I'm still upset that no one went after Fistric last night. Even more so than losing the game.
If your friend gets hit with a cheap shot, wouldn't you step in there and retaliate against the SOB that did it? Every other team does that, but we don't. No one seemed to care whatsoever, which doesn't show much solidarity.
Now I know the anti-enforcer slappies will point out how Franzen's injury wouldn't have been prevented by retaliation, but still it sucks that this team is so unwilling to stick up for one another in a situation like that.