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Me too. Without negs how am I going to know who to hate? Oh well.

LGW, where everything's made up and the points don't matter!

But seriously, I will miss the negs....How will I be able to identify the crazies, the trolls, and the Minnesota Wild fans without them????

2. Then you look at Detroit. Average prospects. 2 or 3 might turn into something but certainly won't be the caliber of a Datsyuk, Zetterberg or Lidstrom. Even if everything goes right with the prospects we currently have, we're still looking at a bunch of players who couldn't come close to standing up to the superstars that we have now. 3 straight years of early playoff exits, a core group with only 1 player under the age of 30, no 1st round pick this year, no Lidstrom.

1. Detroit's prospect pool > Minnesota's prospect pool
2. None of Minnesota's prospects will be the caliber of Datsyuk, Zetterberg, or Lidstrom
3. 4 straight years of not making the playoffs

I never said Hudler was better just that Hudler scores more frequently and if u think Parise is >>>>>>>>>> rather than just > Hudler maybe you should actually watch a game or 2 without s*** colored glasses on. The grass is not always greener on the other side.
Hudler at $4 mill is much better to have than Parise at $8

lol dude the last thing I am is a grass is greener kind of guy.....i am in touch with reality though, and Parise is a much much much better hockey player than Hudler, I don't care what bogus stat your looking at.

If someone gave you the option of having Hudler at 4 mill or Parise at 8 mill and you actually took Hudler I'd lose all faith in the hockey gods

Same here, In fact I just had that two weekends ago for my 30th Birthday!! Love the Boneless Wings in Hot Sauce!!

I'm more of a traditional wings with bones fan myself, love love love the blazin sauce too. So spicy. Stuff will go straight to your noggan though. Makes my eyes water and I can't think straight...One time I had 20 wings with blazin sauce and I almost traded Fil for Vanek.....Then I had some celery and ranch. *Whew* close one.

Parise's 69 points is an absurd stat because it doesn't take into consideration quality of line mates,  quality of competition, offensive vs. defensive zone starts, how much they play etc.  It's a  s*** stat.
Goals per minute played is a more informative stat than goals on it own. Parise scored as many goals as he did in part because of the ice-time he got; more than any Wings forwards and a lot more than Franzen or Hudler. If Franzen and Hudler played as much they would score more than they did
Unlike Hudler, Parise always played with NJ's best
I brought up the stat because people here knock Franzen for consistency and frequency of scoring goals and talk like Parise is going to be some messiah. he scores goals less frequently than Franzen or Hudler, he is another small finesse forward like we have so many of on our team and in the system and he is probably going to be way over payed.

Well if you ever decide to actually watch a hockey game or two you might notice that: Parise >>>>>>>> Hudler...everyday of the week and on weekends.

My bet is that he gets Suter but not Parise then signs somebody like Semin and makes a big trade later in the summer.  Huds is not going to be back because he can get $4M+ elsewhere and Kenny has already hinted that he isn't going to offer him that kind of money.  IF Hudler accepts Kenny's offer which will be only a little more than he makes now, Huds will stay but I don't see that happening.

I also expect 1 or 2 FA signings for middle of the road guys.

That's what I'd put my money on too. Suter and Semin. I don't like Semin but It's not about what I like.

At that point my guess would be Holland would bring back Hudler, sign someone Seminish, sign someone Widemanish, and add that #2 goaltender. Do I like this? No. Hudler will be overpaid, Semin will be Semin, and Wideman/Quincey/Smith < Lidstrom/Stuart. Holland's got the money though and he's not going to do nothing with it....And basically he's not going to go with a youth movement for the sake of going with a youth movement. I think our young players would be given a lot of chances to make the team though if this happened.

Maybe a trade....maybe

Launch an investigation. End of story. Ask them under oath.

It's not about what you know, It's about what you can prove. Not that you know though anyway...

This is how the world continues to get worse.  Just keep letting people get away with whatever they want.

It confounds me how much people are defeated about things that can be fixed.  You know every single rape case is hearsay.  Might as well not try with those.  

You know what, every police investigation starts with hearsay.  Hey, this guy has a motive let us go ask that person questions and look for hard evidence to build a case around.  You know what, even though there is a credible source to follow, it is hearsay and we might as well not look into it.  

No big deal.  


These are rules, if you make them you should enforce them.  Sure it is hearsay, maybe it is false and maybe they can't ever prove it.  I don't see why you would not try.  It doesn't hurt anything to look into it.  In the very least if it was a lie and you look into it, we can ignore Nanne for the rest of time.

The only thing that lets some people get away with whatever they want is the indifference of man.  Keep being indifferent, it just makes you look weak and pitiful.  Make all the posts you want about not bothering, I would wonder what you would say to that if you were the victim of some bending of rules.  If a coworker took credit for your work, or you got blamed for something and no one bothered to look into it because it would just be word vs. word.

You really want a world that works that way?!?!?

First, you don't know what hearsay means...stop using it.

Second, maybe the slope is so slippery because of all the red herring on it...

Third, you remind me of this guy




Your English is fine though

After shutting down questions about this future following a Game 6 loss ing the Stanley Cup Final against the Los Angeles Kings, potential unrestricted free agent Zach Parise addressed where he's headed during the New Jersey Devils' "clean out" day on Wednesday.
Or, more specifically, where he's not headed: Parise said there was "no way" he would sign with the New York Rangers this summer.
This comes after that infamous moment in the Eastern Conference Final when his father, former NHLer J.P. Parise, appeared to play matchmaker between the Devils captain and John Tortorella's team.

What I like about this is he said "no way" to the Rangers. Not just that they're outta the race for him, but it shows that he's not just gonna go to whoever throws the most money at him. He's considering where he wants to play too. I think Detroit can make a very strong pitch to him.

I am talking about a trade make it worth it for the Blues, he is exactly the type of player we need up front

I'll say it again, It's the Blues...They'd want more than he's worth from us. Detroit isn't interested in overpaying.

I think Hidler is more motivated by ice-time, his roll on the team and feeling wanted by them

Yeah he just wants everyone to like him and to feel accepted........and that's why he tried holding us hostage for more money and then ditched us for the KHL lol

He didn't say the best of Lidstrom, Stevens and Grimson. I think it's a fair analogy if you mix those 3 players DNA you would get someone like Weber. Grimson had pugilistic abilities and a hard shot but not much skill or hockey sense detracting from the skill and hockey sense Lidstrom's and Stevens' DNA brings to the mix.
Doughty unfortunately is signed till 2019 and I would also much rather have him than Suter as he is more physical and shoots right but Weber would be ideal for the Wings because he can also protect our stars and our crease

....Come on guy, do I really need to tell you to go back and read the comment again?We all know what he was saying.... A fair analogy would have been Souray/Stuart/Boyle/Carkner. By your logic we should be calling Smith a Konstantinov/Lidstrom/Chelios combo cause he can hit, has offensive sense, and a little mean streak....Even though we all know Smith is not comparable to either of those 3 players or the skills they possessed.

   I think we all know Holland won't do the offer  sheet. That being said is Weber worth 4 first round picks? We can look  at what the Wings drafted in the past for an idea on how much it would  cost the Wings but even that would not be exact as nobody knows what  young players will be available in the next 4 drafts in that draft  position. Plus would Nashville pick the same players the Wings would  pick?...not likely. Then those players would likely take 3 to 5 years to  make it to the NHL (if they even make it). 4 players that are unknown  for 1 that you know is not only an NHL player but arguably the best d-man in the world.. Here  are some stats on NHL drafting in the 1st round:

Success rate of first-round draft picks  

To define whether a player "makes it," let's set the threshold at 200 NHL games. We'll call them "career players."


•Of the 494 career players drafted in the 1990s, 160 were selected in the first round.
•Of those 160 career players, over half have played more than 500 NHL games.
•Among  the older players (those drafted from 1990 to 1994), six first-round  picks have made it to 1,000 games. Another couple of dozen are still  active and within reach of 1,000.
•Based on the 1990s sample, a first-round draft pick has a 63 percent chance of being a career player.
Results can vary widely from year to year:

•The 1993 NHL Draft produced 22 career players from 26 first-round picks.
•In 1999, less than half of the first-round selections went on to become career players (12 out of 28).


So  63% chance of being an NHL player but a lot less of being a star or  super star player and those stats are for all first round picks  (including top 10's) and not just late first rounders which is where the  Wings would likely pick.

With all that being said, i think it  would be worth the picks if the Wings got him long term. A bird in hand  is worth 4 in the bush

If we were to get Weber this year and with Smith a tough customer himself whose goal is to add some muscle over the summer), add Iginla either at the trade deadline or next year as a UFA and add Svitov (considered one of the best defensive forwards in the KHL who is great on faceoffs and even meaner and nastier than Weber) we would go from being THE smallest, least physical team in the league to being one of the biggest, THE toughest and hardest to play against while adding to our already impressive skill level.

"a draft pick is an asset, not a person, average apple does not mean average player...as soon as you think of it that way you've missed the point."


...Did you not read before responding? In one ear and out the other? lol

Its really Stuart's fault that Kenny only got a 7th out of the rights, because he made his desire to be in San Jose public. The Wings are lucky they got anything. If they had kept it private, maybe they would have gotten a higher pick.

Stuart going public with his desire to be in California did not hurt us whatsoever. Trading rights for picks almost always involves the pick being conditional...if the player signs with the other team you get the draft pick, or the pick becomes a higher draft pick. If he doesn't sign you either don't get the draft pick you traded for or it becomes a lower pick.

So essentially if we had say traded Stuart's rights to Toronto for a fourth round conditional....he wouldn't have signed there (wants to be in Cali) and we would have either lost the fourth rounder and got nothing, or the fourth would have become something like a 7th anyway....Holland just skipped all that BS, got his 7th, and did Stewie a solid in the process.

Perhaps if SJ didn't know they were Stewies #1 choice we could have gotten more out of them....but they knew regardless of whether Stewie went public or not....He has friends in their organization/team and his family still lives in the area....they knew the situation.

I am not directing this at you but it somewhat bothers me that Holland said that statement. Holland knowing that Lidstrom's time was coming and that Stuart would most likely be gone so he signs Quincey? What af****** joke. I mean I don't have a problem for Quincey but knowing both of those pieces are most likely going to be out of Detroit and you bring him in? Uhh okkkkayyy.

Q is the replacement for Stu.....Q is not as good in his own end as Stu, but he's not bad either. Plus he's a bit more mobile, has an offensive touch to his game, is younger than the aging Stuart, and is cheaper. I'll take him as the new Stewie any day of the week. And that 3-way trade we did to get him was absolutely marvelous....still gets me hard like a diamond in an ice storm.

Still have to replace Lidstrom. July 1st is coming.

oldie but goodie lol



Maybe the mayan calendar was correct. No Lids, No Stewie, and keeping Hudler?

But really we shouldn't panic, Huds will test FA where he knows he can get 5 mill from a poop team.