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#2524442 Dan Boyle's rights traded to the Islanders…..

Posted by kipwinger on 18 June 2014 - 01:34 PM


I don't think we'll ever agree on this one, but signing Boyle (in my eyes) run against two of your arguments. 

#1: I don't think signing Boyle would be "doing something just to do it". I think his experience would help Sproul, Marchenko, Ouellet, etc. Whichever one of the kids makes the team this coming season, especially with their work on the PP. Which brings me to...

#2: One of those kids is going to make the team this year, in my opinion. They've (Holland and Babcock) discussed it several times - they like the kids. My best guess is that one of Kindl and/or Lashoff is out with the Wings. I would love for Detroit to be able to move Kindl to a team fighting to hit the cap floor. I think Kindl has certainly played himself off this team, and someone will be willing to ship over a 4th or 5th for him.

Having a defensive core of Kronwall, Ericsson, DeKeyser, Boyle, Smith, Sproul and Lashoff looks good to me - at the very least, it's an improvement over last season's. 


How is he going to help the kids any more than the vets we already have?  We're not Edmonton, we've got tons of highly successful veterans on our team.  And also, anything you gain in that regard is offset by the fact that he's old, slow, small, and even in his best years was only ok at actually playing defense. 

#2524431 Dan Boyle's rights traded to the Islanders…..

Posted by kipwinger on 18 June 2014 - 01:15 PM

Not a whole lot of Shea Webers lying around


Agreed.  So rather that do something just to do it, why not give the spot to the most deserving kids and let them gain valuable experience which WILL help us in the future.  Lord knows what 82 games under Babcock's tutelage would do for Ryan Sproul's development. 

#2524385 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 18 June 2014 - 09:37 AM

I'm going to reserve my frustration, depression, loss of will to live, rage towards Ken Holland's existence till after July 1st.

We've got the draft upcoming - June 27, 28. 

Compliance buyouts that can happen until June 30th and Free Agency that begins on the first.


This is a frustrating two weeks where the Finals are over and almost nothing but speculation can happen.

So, let's all take a deep breath and collect ourselves. Some of us are beginning to sound like frantic lunatics.

Some of us are already there.


Hell, maybe the site needs to change it's name for the week.



/voice of reason speech


I get what you're saying buddy, and we spoke about this last night.  I definitely don't want to fall into doomsday land, but at the same time I legitimately feel like many of us are dangerously close to crossing the line between wanting to acquire players that help us win, and wanting to acquire players just so we don't feel like management has lost it.  I'm all about the former, but believe doing nothing at all is better than than the latter.  If stop gaps are all that's likely to happen, I'd prefer to see these young guys begin their careers right now.  At least that will help us in the long run.  Signing mediocre hacks like Stralman or Gilbert accomplishes nothing (aside from being able to say "look we signed a puckmover!").  It would be Ian White 2.0.  "No need to acquire real talent like Wisniewski or Erhoff, we got Ian White and Mike Commodore and at bargain prices too!"

I'm not overly concerned about our lack of size up front. Suppose we sign Pouliot and trade, I dunno, Tatar and a pick and a prospect for Blake Wheeler. In theory, we could have...


Zetterberg  Datsyuk  Mantha

Franzen  Weiss  Wheeler

Pouliot  Sheahan  Nyquist

Abdelkader  Helm  Jurco


We also have Campbell, Nastasiuk, Athanasiou, and Nosek in the pipeline, and we might add, say, Brendan Perlini at the draft.




Do you think the Jets would take Tatar and a 3rd round pick for Wheeler?  Because you've used your 1st on Perlini and we don't have a second on account of that totally sweet trade for Legwand.  If that's the case maybe we can trade Smith and our 4th or 5th for Byfuglien as well lol. 

#2524327 Shawn Thornton will not be returning to the Bruins

Posted by kipwinger on 17 June 2014 - 09:16 PM

I hope he didn't hear any one making fun of him... I hear he's not afraid to fight.


Also, if Glenfiddich was on our fourth line.  I'd have that jersey already.  Goddamn that'd be awesome.

I'd settle for a Daniels, Beam, Walker... hell, even Powers.


Powers you say?



#2524324 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 17 June 2014 - 09:12 PM


Did someone hack your account today?  This is the most negative post I've seen from you this off-season.


I'm worried.  Please let me know if you're okay.  ;)


It's nice of you to care lol.  I was already having a bad morning and the thoughts of bringing back Cleary, Alfie, and Gustavsson (who I'm actually fine with) temporarily overwhelmed the better angels of my nature.  I'm still (cautiously) hoping for something substantial.  We'll find out in a couple of weeks. 

#2524287 Dan Cleary may return...sigh

Posted by kipwinger on 17 June 2014 - 05:31 PM

If we burn Dan Cleary in effigy outside Joe Louis Arena do you think everyone involved will get the point?

#2524146 Dan Cleary may return...sigh

Posted by kipwinger on 17 June 2014 - 08:33 AM

Whoa Whoa Whoa, don't everybody go blaming Holland here.  Babs was the one who wanted him back.  Babs was the reason he left money on the table in Philly.  And Babs was the reason he got a commitment beyond last year from the Wings.  If Holland had his say Dan Cleary would be entering the second year of his three year contract with the Flyers right now. 

#2524144 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 17 June 2014 - 08:25 AM

Is it starting to become clear to anyone else that with the exception of some lame ass acquisition like Dan Boyle or Tom Gilbert we're going to have the EXACT same team as last year? 


All the resources in the world won't make a difference if there's no will to use them.  Puke.


Expect D and Z to be hurt again, expect the kids to have good but not great seasons, expect Alfie to be re-signed and then be hurt/run out of gas, and expect our defense to be poor again.  Lather, rinse, repeat. 

#2524138 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 17 June 2014 - 08:12 AM

Didn't they offer Maltby a two way contract in his final year as well?  It was basically, make the team or retire?  I could be wrong. 

#2524040 Shawn Thornton will not be returning to the Bruins

Posted by kipwinger on 16 June 2014 - 03:03 PM

Well this both a blessing and a curse.  No longer will Bruins fans have the opportunity to cheer on a local hero.  On the other hand, at least Shawn Thornton will finally be able to pursue his true calling in life...dragging pretty blond women to the top of the Empire State building. 

#2524000 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 16 June 2014 - 09:45 AM

Rumors online from Bob McKenize that Winnipeg may be looking to trade anyone, including Evander Kane. Thoughts? I would LOVE to see him on Pav's Wing. Big kid (6'2" 200lbs, 22 years old) isn't afraid to stick up for his teammates or himself, has speed, can create for himself and has a great shot.


I would give up Tatar, Ouellet, Almquist and a pick.

I'm only giving up Ouellet because I think the brass wants Sproul up in a bad way and with how well Bäckman played for the Griffs I think Ouellet is more expendable. 







If Mantha makes the team I'd put him in Franzen's spot and put Franzen down on the 3rd line with Sheahan and Jurco.


A team in a year or two with Kane, Goose, Pulks and Mantha would be pretty nice. All guys who aren't afraid to shoot the puck. Just to put things into a little perspective Kane played 10 fewer games than Tatar did this year and still shot the puck 92 time more than Tatar. 


If Winnipeg is willing to trade anyone, I'd rather have Wheeler.  He's a MUCH better player than Kane, though I've got nothing against Kane either. 


Also, I'd be reluctant to put too many eggs in Pulkkinen's basket.  He's got a monster shot but he seems to be a one trick pony.  I know you've got to give talent to get talent so I'm not going to shut down people's suggestions, but if it were humanly possible I'd MUCH rather trade Pulks than Tatar. 

#2523983 Slow News Day Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 16 June 2014 - 12:39 AM


That's a stand-up bass.  I know this because I play the cello.  ;)


I'll take your word for it because I play the nothing lol.

#2523940 Slow News Day Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 15 June 2014 - 02:04 PM

Saw that the Wings brass (including draper) interviewed Brendan, son of Claude, Lemieux at the combine. I hope I don't have to start liking the Lemieux's.


It's the ciiiiiiiiiiiiiiircle of liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiife!



"Some people pull the cello and some people play the cello" - Pavel Datsyuk


#2523931 Dan Boyle's rights traded to the Islanders…..

Posted by kipwinger on 15 June 2014 - 11:20 AM

For the love of god use stats. Like accurate stats.

Regular season stats has kronwall at 19 smith at 18 dekeyser at 15


Forgot to say...unless you struggle with reading the English language where I was talking about 5 on 5 stats nothing else.


Here's my source, I know it's probably not as "accurate" as you'd like but it is the actual NHL website so it should do.  If you still think Smith scored more even strength points than any defenseman on the team, I don't know what to tell you.



Finally, I notice that you keep ignoring the part of my point where I criticize Corsi stats because they're heavily skewed toward offense but I'll try again.  If Corsi numbers truly tell which player is "better", then how do you explain Mike Green having a higher Corsi than Ryan Suter and David Booth having a higher Corsi than John Tavares?

#2523703 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 13 June 2014 - 11:57 AM

The logic of using an offersheet is sound...  if someone tries to punish you by overpaying a player don't match...  take the draft picks and laugh at them for being cap strapped.


But the same can be said of the initial offer.  If we sent an offer sheet for Subban and it was a really good deal, Montreal would match it.  If it was a really bad deal, they'd give him to us on a really bad deal or they'd match it and then force us to overpay the same amount by raising the price of our RFAs (slightly) through offer sheets. 


I don't know why I need to keep making this point.  If the logic was so sound then people would do it.  Since it rarely happens I'd say there's less utility in it then you're suggesting.  Either that or almost every GM in the league (including our own) is a fool who doesn't see something so obvious.  I'm not buying it. 



Have the Flyers had a retaliatory offer sheet sent to a player?  No, didn't think so.



Arm Chair GM


Well that's one in a row for you.  The possibility is what stops it from happening.  Surely I don't have to explain how deterrents work.