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#2478023 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 28 January 2014 - 10:08 AM

Same as we need this year.  Big forward that can score and a second pairing puck mover who's better than Smith.  That's it.

#2478021 Babcock's comments on playing time

Posted by kipwinger on 28 January 2014 - 10:07 AM

This is just like every other Babcock cliche.  It's not saying much to say "the best players will play" when there's no competition for jobs at the moment.  Bring Dats, Z, and Weiss back and there will be, and I'd be amazed if "the best player played". 


He might as well say, "the best player (who can effectively alleviate cap constraints) will play".  Which is no different than two months ago when Tootoo and Eaves were waived. 


Talk is cheap.  It's time for Holland and Babs to actually DO SOMETHING to prove that "the best players will play".  And that doesn't mean waiving Sammy either.

#2477881 So when would you make a move and what type?

Posted by kipwinger on 27 January 2014 - 01:52 PM

I am going to be one of the first to have it written down.  This summer, Ken Holland will pursue and most likely attain the services of Shea Weber.  Nashville didn't like that contract to begin with and they are really riding the bottom of the NHL and will look for a new direction.  Babcock will spend the Olympics schmoozing Weber and talking up the direction of the Red Wings, and when the Wings make the playoffs for the 23rd straight season this will solidify Weber's decision to want to come to Detroit.  The price will be hefty, but it will involve our 1st round pick this season to give Nashville TWO picks in the top 17.  It may include some guys that we do not want to lose, but for Weber, the price is worth it...


You're off your rocker man, but I do appreciate your enthusiasm. 

#2476577 Lines Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 24 January 2014 - 04:37 PM

The play by most of the Griffins call ups is going to make things very interesting once we get the majority of our players back.  If I had to guess, I would say that both Sheahan and Jurco will go back down.  What I can't figure out is how you take Glendening out of the lineup (even for say Andersson).


After watching the past few games both he (Glendening) and Lashoff have stood out to me.  Not because they create great chances or play smart defensive hockey, but because both can be a bit nasty.  I think that element more than say a crushing hitter or some big time fighter is what we've been missing most. 


Both of the those guys do play solid hockey, but they also get under people's skin.  Glendening was all over Kane during the Chicago game and was at someone else earlier in the week.  And Lashoff, although he may not crush people, can be down right nasty in front of his own net (see the Hossa exchange during the last game).  These two guys make us harder to play against, maybe not physically so much but definitely mentally for the other team.  I think the wings expected this out of Tootoo, but just got a guy who runs around, tries to put people through the boards and fights occasionally.  I think the fact the two guys above are just on top of the other team from the get go pisses them off, especially if they're giving someone a hidden slash or crosscheck. 


Plus Glendening gives us something we currently don't have, a right-handed centerman.


Said it before I'll say it again, I love Brian Lashoff.  Despite never scoring, and being on the ice with linemates who never score, he's still a respectable -2...ya know...because he actually plays defense.  A far cry from the defensive ubermensch that are Kindl and Smith. 

#2476353 Turning point!?!?!

Posted by kipwinger on 23 January 2014 - 04:37 PM



And this.


You're right, one game doesn't mean it's a turning point.  However, I think the actual turning point was right around the Winter Classic.  We've lost 5 times since that game and won four.  We beat REALLY good teams in Chicago and Los Angeles(twice), and played very well against the Rangers, Ducks, and Maple Leafs (all one goal games).  We had two terrible games against San Jose and St. Louis.  Additionally, since the WC Jimmy Howard seems to have regained (and hopefully not lost to injury again) his dominant form, and Tatar and Zetterberg have carried the team. 


Add some combination of Dats, Franzen, Helm, or Alfie to any of those one goal games and we probably win a couple of them and our record could very easily be 6-3.  Not too shabby when you consider that Chicago, LA, St. Louis, San Jose, and Anaheim are probably 5 of the top 7 or 8 teams in the league while Toronto and the Rangers are playoff teams as well. 


People freak because all they see are the tight standings, but we're actually playing some pretty good hockey in spite of having a farm team.

#2476288 Blessing in disguise?

Posted by kipwinger on 23 January 2014 - 11:57 AM

Weiss is going nowhere.


I honestly can't wait until he gets back and starts dominating.  There's a tendency (particularly around LGW) to just assume that there's no cause for his poor play, and that the only remedy is to move him.  The guy has a 10 year track record of success in the NHL.  He didn't just forget how to play hockey one day, and he isn't a flash in the pan either.  He's been hurt...all year...and soon he'll be healthy.  And then he'll be good.

#2475771 1/22 GDT : Blackhawks 4 at Red Wings 5 (SO)

Posted by kipwinger on 22 January 2014 - 09:33 PM

Henrik Zetterberg isf****** awesome!

#2475437 Look who's top in GR scoring

Posted by kipwinger on 22 January 2014 - 06:59 PM

Ferraro has never generated any real excitement among scouts or anyone other than fans.  I don't follow prospects super-close, but I do know aside from his draft-day, there's been very little hype and a lot of criticism.  I've never really heard anyone seriously suggest he was ever going to make the Wings.  


I'm sure Callahan will get his chance, though.  They're just focused on trying to get a stable core of young guns, and we've already called up so many.


I think you're being a little harsh on Ferraro.  He definitely wasn't an exciting pick when they took him, and he has struggled with injuries for much of his AHL career, but he really broke through last season and looked good.  There was a lot of talk last season about him finally taking the next step in his development, particularly in terms of developing his two-way game.  While nobody has ever spoke of him playing a top six role in Detroit, as of a year ago he was considered a lock for a future bottom six spot. 


Having said that, the rapid development of Sheahan and Glendening, along with Babs' man crush on the latter may mean that Ferraro has been leap frogged.

#2475242 Almqvist or Backman

Posted by kipwinger on 21 January 2014 - 07:45 PM

By all accounts Bachman has the better all around game.  Almquist has a nice shot, but he's pretty limited in every other regard.  On a team with a stud defense, Almquist could probably play the roll of offensive d-man and PP point a la Torey Krug.  But our team is already weak defensively, so I can't see him playing well for us. 

#2475209 Building a talent pipeline.

Posted by kipwinger on 21 January 2014 - 04:46 PM

The other thing I'd be looking for is a guy who's trending upward, but who isn't established yet.  A guy like Neal was for Dallas.  If you're willing to part with a quality piece you can usually get guys like this and hopefully they were scouted well enough that they can really flourish in your system.  Obviously you need to have quality scouts (which we supposedly do) but also you wouldn't need to give up nearly as much as an established guy. 


Following this line of though, one guy I've been interested in is Mikkel Boedker from Phoenix.  He's defensively responsible, SUPER fast, young, and has pretty good size (6ft. 210 lbs.), and plays for a team that's not likely to push for a playoff spot.  He's having a breakout year this year after moderate success in the past.  This is the kind of under the radar move that could pay off huge in the future if the kid continues to develop upward.  Plus, you certainly wouldn't need to give Nyquist and a 1st for him. 


I don't know if this guy's the answer, but it's the kind of move I'd be looking at if I were Holland.  Let everyone else battle it out for E. Kane, Vanek, Moulson, etc. and we make a solid cap savy move that helps now and in the future.

#2475201 Canadian Olympians trust, believe in Babcock

Posted by kipwinger on 21 January 2014 - 04:06 PM


The issue is Holland giving him dusty players to put on the ice with NTC's so the team is handcuffed to them.


That's certainly PART of the issue, and admittedly it's not insignificant.  But injuries have given everyone on this forum the youth movement that they wanted, and you see how Babs uses them.  That shouldn't be ignored or downplayed any more than Holland's dumb a** personnel moves of the last couple years.  Based on his use of them so far, it's pretty obvious that according to Babs the depth chart is something like this:


Top End Guys:

Dats, Z, Kronwall, Franzen, Alfie, Ericsson


"Reliable Vets":

Cleary, Bert, Quincey, Miller, Eaves, Abby, Helm


Responsible Youth:

Nyquist, Glendening, Andersson,


"Irresponsible" Youth:

Tatar, Kindl, Smith


New Wave Youth:

Jurco, Sheahan





What makes anybody think that Babs is just pining for a youth movement.  Cut the dead wood and guys like Glendening, Andersson, and Nyquist get more ice time.  Not the guys who are actually creating momentum for us.

#2475197 Lines Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 21 January 2014 - 03:55 PM

Nyquist is already 24 and hasn't done anything mind blowing yet(stat wise) you wanna get a 30 goal guy there gonna want a younger player with higher upside Mantha/jurco type prospect


Not necessarily true.  Bobby Ryan was traded for a guy with Nyquist-like NHL numbers, a boom or bust prospect (like Frk for us), and a first.  There are a ton of variables at play in the trade market, but Nyquist and a 1st would definitely be a really good starting point (as I said before) for a quality trade.

#2475195 Building a talent pipeline.

Posted by kipwinger on 21 January 2014 - 03:50 PM

The thing with Nyquist, or Tatar, is that they're small skilled guys.  The Wings have a bunch of guys like that.  When you have a lot of one thing and not a lot of another, you use what you have a lot of to get what you don't.  Small wingers and quality young d-men out, big wingers in.


Agreed 3000%

#2475194 Nucks vs Flames

Posted by kipwinger on 21 January 2014 - 03:49 PM


Don't watch it then, problem solved.


Dude, you always say this and it's getting old.  Because one could easily argue that if you want to watch people get punched so much why don't you go watch boxing or MMA. 


I'm not here to try and convince you that fighting is dumb, or bad, or whatever.  It wouldn't work even if I tried.  But please stop with the "if you don't like it don't watch" argument, because it's not a very good one and is basically the adult equivalent of taking your ball and going home.

#2475192 Building a talent pipeline.

Posted by kipwinger on 21 January 2014 - 03:46 PM

Maybe a better way of doing this is list prospect by class years.



Nyquist, Tatar, and Dekeyser-all here and playing well.



Jurco, Sheahan, and Almquist-first 2 are up playing well, not sure if Almquist has a spot or is trade bait.



Mrasek and Mantha-2 potential great ones!



Frk, Jarnkrok, Pulkkinen, Oullett, Sproul, jensen, Merchanko, and Nedomlel-5 Dman ready, not all will make it. lots of trade bait here.



Paterson, Wheaton, McNulty, McKee,  and Nastasiuk-way to early to really know if any of these guys make it. None have played a pro hockey game yet.



yet to be determined.......


Yeah, but you can't simply say "a guy's up and playing well in the NHL and therefore don't trade him".  If you never traded a guy who was playing well, you'd never get anything of value.  You have to consider the possibility of trading a Nyquist, Tatar, Smith, Sheahan, Jurco (one of them, not multiple) if you want something of value.  Nobody is going to give you a Wheeler, Ladd, Kane, etc. for unproven potential.  You need to include guys that have shown they can play well in the NHL and then sweeten the pot with picks or prospects. 


Which begs the question, "if a guy is playing well in the NHL then why trade him"? Which is the Ken Holland school of thought.  You trade him because the guy you get back fills a need better, or because you're bleeding prospects and don't have room for them all, or the upside on the return is greater than what's going out.  There's a ton of reasons to part with quality talent.