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#2497226 Gustav Nyquist Appreciation Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 19 March 2014 - 08:59 AM

I'll say this, I did not realize how fast Nyquist was until last night.  I knew he was quick, but not fast like that.  It was appropriate that we played the Leafs last night because Nyquist looked A LOT like Phil Kessel in terms of his explosive first strides and quick wrister.  Kid is fast.

#2497224 Gustav Nyquist Appreciation Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 19 March 2014 - 08:54 AM

Goose Status:

[x] Loose

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This is my favorite post so far today.

#2497222 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 19 March 2014 - 08:47 AM

I'd say I should have been more clear. Maybe I should have said "personnel decisions" rather than organizational philosophy.


I don't think missing or making the playoffs will affect any of those decisions. Some aren't decisions that need to be made, some will be made by simple necessity, some are just unimportant.


We're a team in transition, and it's absurd to think our management doesn't realize that. I think we're an organization that wants to remain competetive, but also committed to building through the draft. And I think we'll continue to try to balance both, until we either transition back into a contender or into a team that's much less feasible to keep competetive.


There is no sure-fire formula for building a cup team. If there was, sure...do that. But there isn't. Our philosophy, which seems to be, "try to scrape by as best we can while hoarding youth and hoping for the best", may not sound very good. But really it's no less likely to work than anything else we might try, and if it does work it likely means another long period of being a contender.


That's not really true. Prior to this year, the only "stop-gap" type players we've had have been in minor roles. Alfie is really the first to play a somewhat key role, and even he was only our 4th forward (maybe even 5th).


White and Quincey I think were more due to a lack of options rather than an unwillingness to make a bigger commitment.


And just out of curiosity, what would your idea of "an overhaul" be?


I agree with the organizational philosophy completely.  Again, I'm not trying to give off the impression that there's something wrong with seeing Nyquist, Tatar, Sheahan, Jurco, Mantha, Sproul, Ouellet, Marchenko, Mrazek as the future core of this team.  Given how they've shown up so far I'd say it's a REALLY good idea.  But I do think you have to make decisions based on the new realities these guys have created.  We essentially just got a (very good) third line, a top six forward, and backup goalie for free.  Two years ago none of these guys (maybe Nyquist) were even on our radar.  Tatar was an afterthought, and the rising star was Smith.  All of that has changed because injuries showed that most of these guys were the real deal and many are ready now. 


As such, we have the luxury of having a "fourth" line of Abby-Helm-Miller if we want, who can play 12-15 minutes of effective hockey (as opposed to the 6-8 our fourth currently plays).  We don't need to have these guys playing a bigger role, and in truth, they're likely not suited for a bigger role.  Reducing their roles means Abby isn't counted on for goals, Helm probably stays healthier, and we now have favorable matchups against deep teams.  But that requires the org. rethink the roles Abby and Helm play on the team (not so much Miller his is the same).  Similarly, having such high end young defensive talent makes Kindl redundant and means that you no longer have to hope that Smith will develop into a top four guy.  Drop him to the third pair permanently and his mistakes are less costly (or less frequent).


Best part is, all these young guys have shown they're capable of taking on big roles but don't get paid s***...so we're cap friendly for at least 2-3 years.  Just in case we decide we need a high end free agent to fill a role (top six winger, top four defenseman?). 


But none of that's going to happen if Holland doesn't move (or consider moving) guys like Kindl and Andersson, letting the old guys walk, and reconsidering what roles Smith, Helm, and Abby play on this team. 


That's my rationale anyway, but it's a good discussion so I'm certainly willing to reconsider if I'm missing something that you've picked up on. 

#2496924 Maple Leafs 2 @ Red Wings 3

Posted by kipwinger on 18 March 2014 - 08:46 PM

I would give anything if Jimmy would learn how to poke check.  That goal wasn't his fault, but a poke check saves it.

#2496496 Maple Leafs 2 @ Red Wings 3

Posted by kipwinger on 18 March 2014 - 01:12 PM

Dont worry Kip, someone WILL be hurt by next game. Dirty Harry will be up soon enough.


Nah, Babs will dress Howard as a forward, start McCollum in goal and have Mrazek back him up...ya know...cuz any hockey player is just as good as any other player at any position in the mind of the "best coach in the NHL".  Ugh.

#2496487 Maple Leafs 2 @ Red Wings 3

Posted by kipwinger on 18 March 2014 - 01:03 PM

What an embarrassing season. Heads should roll.


We need goals. That's probably what it comes down to.


If it was about goals I assume they'd call up Callahan since he's second on the Griffs in goals, rather than convert a defenseman to forward (all put ensuring he won't score).  Babs likely wants Smith for his perceived forechecking ability and "heavyness", which will yield exactly zero goals, make our defense weaker, and take a chance away from a kid who's worked his tail off for an opportunity to play a game with the big club. 

#2496480 Is the Real Brendan Smith Finally Starting the Show Up?

Posted by kipwinger on 18 March 2014 - 12:56 PM


Yup.  Send Ferraro back down if you're not going to play him & call Ouellet up to take Smith's spot.


Why go through all that?  Just call up Callahan and leave Smith at his natural position.  This whole Smith to forward idea is gimmicky enough to get people interested, but at the end of the day it's still totally hairbrained. 

#2496410 Injury Updates

Posted by kipwinger on 18 March 2014 - 11:04 AM



Best post of the day.  Easily.

#2496393 Injury Updates

Posted by kipwinger on 18 March 2014 - 10:36 AM

Who has to die before Callahan gets a call up? 

#2496390 Is the Real Brendan Smith Finally Starting the Show Up?

Posted by kipwinger on 18 March 2014 - 10:31 AM

smith is indeed practicing as a LW per Khan. Does anyone else have a weirdly good feeling about this?


How could you not feel better knowing that Smith won't be relied upon to defend National Hockey League forwards anymore?  Though I am a bit afraid of how many turnovers he'll have now that passing will be required of him more often. 

#2496353 Franzen calls out team

Posted by kipwinger on 18 March 2014 - 08:51 AM

if one thing has been made clear with these injuries, it's that tatar/nyquist are not players in the mold of datsyuk/zetterberg - they aren't the guys that are going to carry your team.  they're secondary players.


They're rookies!  Datsyuk and Zetterberg weren't players in the mold of Datsyuk/Zetterberg when they were rookies either. 


Zetterberg was runner up in rookie of the year voting his first year with 22 goals and 22 assists in 79 games, Datsyuk had a less impressive 11 goals and 24 assists in 70 games his rookie year.  Both Tatar AND Nyquist are on pace to beat those numbers in MANY fewer games.  Furthermore, neither Datsyuk nor Zetterberg were asked to do as much in their respective rookie campaigns.  They were both on teams LOADED with talent.


Maybe they will turn out to be that good, and likely they won't.  But to act as if their rookie years have been anything other than spectacular is absurd. 

#2496338 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 18 March 2014 - 06:11 AM

You know, to be honest maybe missing the playoffs isn't the worst thing in the world.  I personally don't give a sh*t about "the streak".  I'll be bummed that I won't get to watch hockey as long this year, but other than that I think it's a good thing.  I'm sick of watching us make the playoffs only to get beat prior to the conference finals.  This team is in serious need of some house cleaning.  If ending "the streak" doesn't motivate the brass to do that, then I don't know what will.  Plus, it will give Holland the excuse he clearly needs to cut some of these guys loose.  "Sorry Dano, we'd love to re-sign you but after last season we're forced to take a hard look at our team and we've decided to move in a different direction". 


Let the expiring contracts go.  Promote the four kids to full time, thus putting us in good cap position.  And make decisions on those guys who are only marginal...e.g. Kindl, Andersson, Glendening, etc.  If you don't want them, trade them for whatever you can get and put all the savings toward fixing the problems that you can.  Here's what I'd like to see, but this is only me...













Finally, something to ponder.  The free agent class is thin, but we do legitimately need a top six winger who isn't a converted center.  This won't be popular, but I'd consider either Gaborik or Heatly as a stop gap measure PROVIDED they weren't signed long term and took modest pay reductions...which might not be a hard sell considering Heatly's production has dipped in recent years and Gaborik has been hurt.  No more than two years at 5.75 for either of them.  Like I said, it won't be popular but it wouldn't cost us assets and there's no sense just sitting on the money.


I don't know what's available on defense, but probably a stop gap there too unless Buffalo wants to unload Erhoff before free agency.

#2496318 Franzen calls out team

Posted by kipwinger on 17 March 2014 - 11:42 PM

Good on him for saying so, but no matter how much they "want it" or don't, "play heavy" or don't, "stick to it" or don't, you're not going to beat national hockey league teams with AHL level talent.  Particularly when the NHL players you do have in the lineup are largely the supporting cast.  This team has serious holes in it that haven't been addressed for about four years now.  Until they get addressed, they'll struggle...healthy or not...effort or not. 


I do want to say that I like seeing Franzen step up though.  He's played well since his return and I always love seeing guys try to be a factor off the ice as well as on it.

#2496129 3/16 GDT: Red Wings 1 at Blackhawks 4

Posted by kipwinger on 17 March 2014 - 06:37 AM


It appears so. The team is lost. Even the kids can't keep this sinking ship afloat.


That's just crazy.  I mean, if Legwand wasn't going to single handedly drag us into the playoffs through his sheer strength of character and hockey prowess, then why did we give up good assets for him rather than just sign him in the offseason? 

#2495573 Finally-TooToo called up

Posted by kipwinger on 16 March 2014 - 12:44 PM

Finally, Tootoo is back.  This will put an end to our goal scoring woes.