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#2527413 UFA day looking up

Posted by kipwinger on 30 June 2014 - 09:14 PM

That's just when Captain Cut-n-Paste copies a St. Lame article. 80% of a Malik post is him copying a legit reporter.


She's definitely a hack, there's not doubt about that. 


However, I think Malik's most annoying habit is how he pretends to have some special rapport with the Red Wings organization, and then gets all huffy puffy when people call him out for being a dude sitting at a computer.  He acts like he's a personal guest of the Holland family on all the high holidays. 

#2527333 UFA day looking up

Posted by kipwinger on 30 June 2014 - 06:27 PM


he claimed kronwall could teach smith anything boyle could, and that smith and kronwall are very similar players. he then said smith and boyle were opposites (which contradicts the kronwall can teach smith anything boyle can argument) and followed up with a bold statement that boyle would get less than 20 points... it's like we've never had offensive dmen. Kronwall can put up 50 points on our "terrible" offensive team, but boyle can't put up 20 points. This is clearly a hate towards any potential moves Holland could make befoe we even see what happens and how it works out.


It's not hate for ANY potential move.  I'll all for spending money or assets on young guys.  But I'll gladly admit that I don't like the idea of signing a 38 year old declining veteran.  Also, the part about not getting 20 pts. was pretty clearly a joke, as evidenced by my smartassy rejoinder following it.  Lighten up dude.  It's hockey, we're not enemies and I'm not out to get you (or am I?).  <------------- See, cocky rejoinder indicates that I'm goofing. 

#2527317 UFA day looking up

Posted by kipwinger on 30 June 2014 - 05:18 PM


Okay instead of just being negative in response, why not offer up what you think they should do?  


Boyle isn't mediocre, even at 38.  He had an off-year last year and still posted 36 points.  He is a known commodity.  Niskanen is not (not saying I wouldn't like Niskanen), but I can see the inherent risk in bringing him in for 7 years at 6 per.  Whereas bringing in Boyle for 2 around 5 million is much less of a risk.   Ehroff is another strong candidate but who knows what he'll ask for and what kind of term he'll want.  They are also gunning for a righty, so that makes things a little tougher to sort out.  Basically gives you Niskanen, Boyle, and Gilbert as the top right handed candidates.  I'm not so sure that Gilbert fits the top 4 d-man mold, but I could be wrong, I'm not super familiar with his style of play.  In the end, your assessment of Boyle is far off base, and like any veteran, he can teach the younger guys (like ANY veteran can) if they feel so inclined.  It's not a discredit to Kronwall, just an additional guy to play off of and get experience from.  You're entitled to your opinion, but when the facts say otherwise, it's hard to see things the same way.  We'll see.


I've already offered my alternative a thousand times.  If you can't get Niskanen (and now Ehrhoff) then let the kids play.  I'd rather miss the playoffs with Sproul than get murdered in the first round with Boyle.  At least one of those things helps us in the long term (the kid getting experience).  The other only gives a bunch of self congratulatory dummies another year to talk about "the streak" as if it's relevant. 


Also, Boyle didn't have an "off" year.  He's numbers are declining because he's old and losing his effectiveness.  If anything, they're probably artificially high considering his team is WAY better offensively than ours is.  If you think he's going to have some kind of a bounce back year on a team who didn't have a single 50 pt. player last year, I don't know what to tell you.  Joe Pavelski had almost as many goals as our points leader had points.  That's why Boyle's numbers were decent there, and that's why they'll suck here.

#2527313 UFA day looking up

Posted by kipwinger on 30 June 2014 - 05:10 PM


But a better mediocre team than last year’s with one of Boyle, Erhoff, Niskanen, or Gilbert IMO. 


Add in a pinch of not-freakishly-bad health, and this team could surprise. Maybe. 


Loading your team up with aging vets, and playing them a ton of minutes, INCREASES the likelihood of injury.  It doesn't decrease it. 


I think Ken Holland is the only person on earth who thinks that injuries are the product of magic and not wear and tear. 

#2527304 UFA day looking up

Posted by kipwinger on 30 June 2014 - 04:58 PM


Depends on your viewpoint on the whole thing.  I can see where getting a right handed, proven veteran for 2 years as a stop gap to the kids coming in is a smart move.  You don't tie up cap long-term and you give yourself flexibility for the next 2-3 UFA periods (what D may come available in the coming off-seasons?).  Also Boyle would do wonders as a mentor to Smith, etc.  I'm not saying this is my preference, but I can see the value in adding Boyle first and then going after a second d-man.  I would be happy if they got Boyle and Gilbert and add 2 right handed shots without breaking the bank.  Then they have money to add Iginla possibly (assuming the move out Kindl).

McBain could be a decent backup plan... I'm not too familiar with his style of play though.  Had a couple decent seasons with Carolina. (30 and 27 pts).


What could Boyle teach Smith that Kronwall can't?  Kronwall is the better player.  He's had more success.  Plays a gritty/offensive game (the way we'd like Smith to play).  And he's a lefty, like Smith.  Boyle and Smith have very little in common aside from the fact that neither are likely to score 20 pts. for the Red Wings next year (sorry, I had to).   


Like I've said before, you can justify it however you like, but adding mediocre players to a mediocre team just leaves you mediocre. 

#2527258 UFA day looking up

Posted by kipwinger on 30 June 2014 - 03:12 PM

So as to not be too disappointed, I'm going to say that I'd be happy with Ehrhoff and Radim Vrbata.  I wouldn't be thrilled, but I could live with it. 


Chances are that's asking too much as well. 


We'll get Boyle and Alfie.  I don't know why I bother pretending otherwise. 

#2527208 Wings to have face to face with Matt Niskanen

Posted by kipwinger on 30 June 2014 - 12:52 PM

Sweet, as long as they keep the salary down I have no problem signing a good player in his prime to a long deal.  Seven years should keep his cap hit well south of 6 million too. 

#2527132 Wings to have face to face with Matt Niskanen

Posted by kipwinger on 30 June 2014 - 09:43 AM

Ok. I never said he is getting traded for that. I said that was what the asking price was. Obviously no one would make that trade. And with ehroff in play that drastically changes the niskanen sweepstakes now. I would be surprised to even see us sign him over ehroff. Considering Kenny had already tried to trade for him and now he is a free agent. So I guess you win your game


I know you didn't say any of this.  Your source did, you made that clear.  I'm not criticizing you, I'm criticizing your source.  Like I said, I think your leg is being pulled. 


Also, it wasn't about winning any game.  I was trying to make things light hearted so that we didn't have to get in a row about it.  That was my way of attacking the idea without attacking the person, not some clever opening gambit in an elaborate scheme to make you look bad. 

#2527122 Wings to have face to face with Matt Niskanen

Posted by kipwinger on 30 June 2014 - 09:01 AM

I've heard from a non quotable source, which is (very) close to Holland, apparently niskanen really wants to come here and we are very high on his list.

Also we won't get yandle, price is all of nyquist, Tatar, jurco and mantha + first.
Holland is probably going to give him 7 years $42 million. Just a heads up.
Niskanen that is


Nobody asks this much in a trade.  Ever.  Either your source is pulling your leg or he made this up.  Edmonton didn't even ask that much for Gretzky.   


So, since I have a feeling you're going to get all bent out of shape about my post I'll make some fun of it.  I'll donate money to a charity of your choice if either of the following happens.


1.  Keith Yandle gets traded to any team for a package consisting of their top four young forwards, all of whom project as top sixers.  Nevermind the first round pick, we already know that didn't happen.


2.  Matt Niskanen signs with Detroit for 7 years, 6 million per. 

#2527119 Ehrhoff or Niskanen

Posted by kipwinger on 30 June 2014 - 08:51 AM

Erhoff would likely get 6M range. It helps our bargaining stance. Erhoff is the safe choice but I really want a right handed defensemen. Erhoff seems like a Kenny type of deal 3-4 years


Lol.  LGW is the only place where every free agent is going to get 6 million per year, and the starting point for every trade is Mantha + 1st. 


Christian Ehrhoff will not get 6 million dollars.  Not happening. 

#2526978 Ehrhoff or Niskanen

Posted by kipwinger on 29 June 2014 - 03:36 PM

I think you should make this a four or five way poll and add in Dan Boyle, Tom Gilbert, Stephane Robidas, etc.  That might be more illuminating.  As it is, I had to pick between two guys who are better than every other defenseman on our team aside from Kronwall. 

#2526883 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 29 June 2014 - 12:04 PM

I'm not sure if I'm following the conversation correctly, but it seems like some of you are suggesting that CANADIAN PROFESSIONAL ICE HOCKEY PLAYERS would be averse to living in the cold. 



#2526784 Dylan Larkin - Highest draft pick since 1991

Posted by kipwinger on 29 June 2014 - 01:01 AM

Want to elaborate on that kip? Or link the interview.

Babcock seems to hold Red in high esteem at least


Here's the article.  It's part of a larger article about Johnson.  Feel free to dig into it more at your own leisure. 



#2526778 Kesler traded to Anaheim

Posted by kipwinger on 29 June 2014 - 12:56 AM

Well I definitely don't want to make it seem like Holland can't, and hasn't, made mistakes.  We know he does.  Particularly when it comes to player acquisition post 2005 lockout. 


But I'd agree with Rick in saying that despite his shortcomings, the draft is one area in which Holland has almost universally excelled. 

#2526770 Kesler traded to Anaheim

Posted by kipwinger on 29 June 2014 - 12:35 AM

If Holland's scouts are responsible for the picks he made as GM, then' he's responsible for the pics that happened when he was the head of scouting under other GMs.  You know, guys like Fedorov, Osgood, Holmstrom, Lidstrom, Konstantinov, Primeau, Kozlov, Sillinger, Lapointe, Knuble, and McCarty.


What a bum.