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#2568980 Greatest US-born NHLer of all time?

Posted by kipwinger on 06 February 2015 - 06:28 PM

I don't agree that playing too long "tarnishes your career".  Pudge Rodriguez played too long.  So did Jordan.  Joe Montana probably should have retired a 49er, and Joe Lewis didn't do himself any favors late in his career.  What do all these things have in common?  Nobody cares.


Plus, I think we can all agree that it wouldn't have killed Dale Earnhardt to quit while he was ahead... :confused:

#2568978 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 06 February 2015 - 06:20 PM

Your smart remarks are middle of the pack

I threw in jensen because to me in detroits eyes ouellet marchenko sproul backman are ahead of him , where's he gonna get a spot in detroit? Jensen is in a different situation as those other 2 because he was injured last few seasons and win awards in college for best defensemen

And yes frk has been a bust thus far , no doubt about it but he's still only 21

Didn't say jensen sucks I'm just suggesting the players I previously mentioned are ahead of him in detroits prospect rankings ( my opinion)

The fact that marchenko was called up here before he was and is 2 yrs younger should say something ... Unless of course he's being showcased for a trade


Backman?  Doesn't ring a bell.  I vaguely recall a Swedish chick by that name, but she moved home a while ago.  No big loss, she was too skinny anyway. 

#2568948 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 06 February 2015 - 02:37 PM

Am I the only one who thinks that David Clarkson might not be as bad as he's seemed in Toronto?  I mean, I don't think he's great, or worth his money.  But I don't think he's this bad either.  I think he's a good system player, and in the right system he's flourish again.  Which underlies a bigger point.  What kind of team does Toronto want to be?  Do they want to be a big, bruising, half ice team like San Jose, Anaheim, or Boston?  If so, keep Dion, JVR, Franson, Reilly, Clarkson, Panik, Winnik and trade or buy out Kessel, Kadri, Gardiner, Lupul, Santorelli.  If you want to be a skill team, do the opposite.  It's like the Maple Leafs are two halves of two VERY different teams. 


I think they were border line top end prospects.  Lots of skill, but questions about size.  Pulk has the same size issue but doesn't skate as well, and is a bit one dimensional even though he does work hard.  There's a big difference between how fans of a team view prospects and how those same kids are viewed by other teams.


I agree with this, but I also think, "who cares"?  I mean, I don't really give a s*** if other teams and other fans thought Tatar or Nyquist were 2nd tier prospects.  The fact that other people don't rate our prospects very high doesn't mean those prospects aren't really good, or better than other people think.  You'd think years and years and years of churning out NHL players would get people hip to the fact that our prospects are almost always better than theirs, but if they aren't, oh well.  Sure it makes trading a little harder, but we rarely trade anyway, so no harm done. 

#2568914 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 06 February 2015 - 01:13 PM

The only word I've seen associated with Stafford in the past few years is Lazy.


Now I don't watch a lot of Buffalo games, so I'm no expert on the guy.  


But that doesn't sound like Abby.  Who knows though....


Maybe he just needs a fresh start?  Buy low?  Could pay off.


Over the years I've watched him pretty regularly.  Previously, I had a roommate from Buffalo for several years and watched most games with him.  I was always impressed by Stafford's willingness to play in the dirty areas and his ability to physically stand up to bigger, tougher, players.  Because I was familiar with him, once I heard he was on the block I began to pay attention to him again and my opinion hasn't changed.  He's got Helm/Abby levels of production this year, and is the primary offensive threat on his line.  As a third option (behind Pav and Tats) on a line, I think he'd excel.  He's still in his prime and is definitely more offensively capable than Helm. 


Nobody needs to agree or anything.  I just think he'd help.  Like I said, Pav's line is really good and all, but I worry that they're too one dimensional.  I'd really like a guy on that line that can score in the crease.  Stafford can, and wouldn't be too expensive. 

#2568908 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 06 February 2015 - 01:01 PM

Why is everyone so willing to overpay for Yandle? I don't get it. It's not going to happen and for good reason...


I don't think it's going to happen either, and I'm fine with not getting him.  But you consistently downplay how good he is.  Keith Yandle is really, really, good.  For exmaple, he currently leads the league in assists from a defenseman, with 32.  You don't think that would help our struggling transition game considerably?

#2568874 2/5 GDT - Red Wings 3 at Avalanche 0

Posted by kipwinger on 06 February 2015 - 11:52 AM



Terry Frei (@TFREI) takes yet another stale shot at living in the city of Detroit.  How long until this joke gets old?  We get it, Denver is a nicer place than Detroit.  We get it, most places are nicer than the city of Detroit, but WTF does it have to do with winning or losing a Hockey game or the lack of fan support in Denver?





so, winning or losing and fan support has nothing to do with the product on the ice, but everything to do with more Detroiters move to Denver than they move to Detroit because of the state of the city.  We get it, Detroit still has problems, but if your kid is failing school, is it positive to keep calling him/her a failure or a retard? No, is has the quite opposite affect. Plus it gets old and stale and they grow tired and irritated of hearing it and one day you wake up and your kid blows up a school...


Denver isn't nicer than Detroit, it's wealthier than Detroit.  Many places are wealthier than Detroit, but not many places are nicer.  Detroit has better beer, better music, better food, nicer people, more moxie, and most relevant to this discussion...better sports teams.  f*** Denver, and f*** any other place where people confuse having money with having heart. 

#2568857 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 06 February 2015 - 10:35 AM


That 2008 team was a lot better than this team to begin with.  In fact, the rosters aren't even comparable in any way, shape or form.  We'll need more than Franson to have a real shot at the Cup, as you put it.  


I think our forwards are better now.  But the defense is significantly worse...upgrading it would be the point of making trades I'd think. 

#2568841 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 06 February 2015 - 09:15 AM

Mauling the American league.  I think the scientific term for what Pulkkinen is doing is "mauling".  Nyquist never produced like that in the AHL.  Neither did Tatar.  50 points in 39 games.  Yikes. 

#2568628 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 05 February 2015 - 08:58 PM

I'm confused by what you guys are talking about when you say 2nd tier.  I assumed 1st tier meant closest to being in the NHL, and 3rd tier was furthest away...despite what you're projected to be.  So a guy like Callahan, while not having the highest ceiling, is a first tier prospect because he's very close to being in the NHL (though only on the fourth line).  Seems like you guys are saying a guy's only first tier if he has a star-like ceiling, in which case Mantha or Larkin would be the only ones.  But that's a little tricky because those guys aren't even prospects in the same way a guy like Drouin, Ekblad, Reinheart, or Draisitl are.  So are those guys A++++ prospects?


I'm lost.

#2568625 So, Evander Kane...

Posted by kipwinger on 05 February 2015 - 08:48 PM

Oh Evander...







Who would have thought that the guy seen above would have problems with maturity? I'm not buying the tracksuit in the shower story until he posts a pic of a wet tracksuit with at least 3 stacks on it. 


Followed immediately by an Instagram of Byfuglien shoving those same stacks up his ass?

#2568614 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 05 February 2015 - 07:44 PM


Middle of the pack? Frk and Ehn? Explain that one.


Gotta agree.  Strange group of players there.  Jensen is at the top of the pack (in that he's going to be in the NHL one day and is close right now), Ehn and Turgeon I'd say are in the middle (just because they haven't had a chance to succeed OR fail yet), and Frk is about as bottom of the pack as you can get (slightly above Mike McKee, but still bottom bottom bottom). 


Which sucks, because I always thought Frk would make it.  Soooo wrong about that one. 

#2568588 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 05 February 2015 - 05:49 PM

a hell no to letting any of those go ... Maybe pulkkinen in a big trade for say a larsson .. Wouldn't give ip on ouellet
Well that's a specific contract , I'll say the the ones deserving of big money and long contracts are the obvious ones doughty pietrangelo Keith Subban karlsson etc..
Mike richards? The one thing toronto is in serious need of is leadership .. Is richards severely over paid? Hell yes but Phaneuf keeps getting absurd by the media and picked on all the time by nhl players so much so it's become a joke

Maybe a richards + pick or mid prospect for Phaneuf I don't know ... I do know any deals involving those 2 would be done in the off season and not trade deadline
No thanks ... And I don't think holland is interested in giving up a first round pick ... I know they say this allot but I do believe it's a deep draft and we already don't have our 3rd rounder

I suppose that's why we differ. I don't consider 5.5 million a year "big money". Premier defensemen make quite a lot more than that.

#2568511 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 05 February 2015 - 02:04 PM

Well apparently not all 30 teams cause toronto are stupid and I want to let him go ... Seriously though would a lot of teams want franson? Maybe but there's a salary cap now that everyone has to work with so you just can't throw money at whoever without thinking about it

Wisniewski comparison is he's another player everyone wanted here as you just said and I think is over priced and went to a team that no one wants to go to and can only attract free agents by over paying them(which is what I predict what will happen) say a Edmonton or whomever

As I've said before if we get him as a rental at the deadline ... Good .... I'm just not willing to give him 5-5.5 per year for 5-6 yrs ... I don't think he's done nearly enough to warrant that money
He plays with columbus ... Who exactly are they gonna give all the ice time to? There's a reason why top teams didn't give him all that money



What defenseman, in your opinion, is worth a 5 year 5.5 million dollar contract?  I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from here.

#2568503 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 05 February 2015 - 01:37 PM

Different situations All those teams you mentioned did it in order to keep star players

Kane toews Keith hossa

Chara bergeron rask krejci

Zetterberg datsyuk lidstrom (unfortunetly Franzen over hossa)

Leafs have what kessel? Maybe van riemsdyk? Who else do they have that they aren't willing to part with that make big money to keep a key piece?

If he was really as valuable as you claim he is they wouldn't just let him go, they do everything and anything to keep him ... Everyone knows they will have to buy out clarkson , a chunk of his money would go to franson, they could trade a bozak or lupul ... Whomever

They don't have star studded guys like the teams you mentioned who they would never consider trading

Yes the leafs were poorly run for along time but do we really think shanahan is an idiot ? I'm convinced he's doing everything to give he leafs the best chances to get Connor mcdavid by hiring these idiots to coach the team , so if Phil kessel got dealt at the deadline it wouldn't surprise me

Anyways back to franson ... We'll just have to wait and see what happens


Here's a quick breakdown of Toronto's salary structures.  They already committed prime time money to crappy players.  Which is why they can't afford to keep Frason. 


Toronto is paying Kessel, Phaneuf, Lupul, and Clarkson more than Chicago gave to Toews, Kane, Keith, and Hossa on their last deals (the ones they cleared Ladd et. al. to keep). They're paying them more than we paid Lids, Z, Dats, Franzen when we lost Hossa.  They're paying them nearly as much as Chara, Bergeron, Kreci, and Rask. 


Kessel:  8 million cap hit

Phaneuf:  7 million cap hit

Lupul 5.2 million cap hit

Clarkson:  5.2 million

Van Reimsdyk:  4.2 million

Bozak:  4.2

Gardiner:  4

Robidas:  3

Komorov:  2.9

Kadri: 2.9

Bernier:  2.9

Polak:  2.7

Reimer:  2.3



#2568500 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 05 February 2015 - 01:29 PM

They never said Babcock is coming ...babcocks is there first choice as a new coach ... Do you blame them?

And they always end up going to teams that have a had time attracting free agents ... Wonder why


Ok, let's be more systematic about this.  What holes do you see in Franson's game that make you think he's not worth that kind of money and term?  And can you think of any comparable defensemen/comparable contracts that you think are more realistic for a guy like him?