Your definition of good is different than mine. It's also different than a lot of NHL GMs'. Funny how not one person has responded to my SOLID point about us having 11 top 6 forwards in our system who are NHLers or close to being NHLers. Everyone just wants to pretend that we are winning Stanley Cups and scoring massive amounts of goals with the approach we are taking and have been for the last 5 years.
I thought this thread was about my man, Drew Miller, but if you want to bring it up. So be it.
Those 11 top 6 forwards better start doing their job and get to scoring some goals, man. That's their job.
Meanwhile, Drew Miller will be doing his job and be blockin' shots...
All he has to do is get 1 to best Miller. 1 assist in 24 games and a minus 5. How can you defend keeping this guy in. Listen to yourself. Jesus H. Your basic argument is to keep our prospects down so we can have a crappy 4th line that never scores and keeps giving up goals when they are played during times we are trying to protect a lead - all for the sake of not ruining a prospects chances at becoming the next Stamkos. Newsflash, if the prospects are going to be Dylan Larkin, they will be doing what Dylan Larkin is doing. Athanasiou should be up with Helm and Glendening, and if it works out, keep him there. I have no problem at all having a good 4th line. I dont understand why people think the 12th forward is so insignificant. It's IMPORTANT to have someone GOOD in Miller's spot. Stop acting like these guys in GR only want to be on the Wings if they get to play with Datsyuk. Athanasiou just wants to be on the team. He doesn't care where.
I don't even see the point in responding, you refuse to listen to anything or anyone and you keep twisting what we are saying. Again, I am not saying that AA would not provide more offense, I am saying that Miller plays his role well, and switching him out for AA "minute for minute" would likely hurt the PK more then it would help scoring, I also believe that it would hurt AA's development. If we didn't have so many good young developing forwards, I would be completely ok with putting AA on the 2nd or more likely 3rd line, but in real life its not like a video game. Putting AA on the 4th line would give him very limited 5 on 5 playing time, and he would be playing with Glendening and Helm which is not going to be a goal scoring line. I don't understand why you think AA playing first line center in Grand Rapids with from my understanding Mantha & Bertuzzi (future line-mates) is such a bad thing, I want him there rather then a 4th line spot BECAUSE i see a lot of potential in him.
You are comparing our prospects to Dylan Larkin...."if the prospects are going to be Dylan Larkin, they will be doing what Dylan Larkin is doing", I dont understand your logic here, Larkin is playing with Z and Abby on the first line, getting first line minutes. Do you really think AA has a chance to do what Larkin is doing playing with Glendening/Helm for 6min a game?
I think the 12th forward spot is a VERY important spot, please don't mistaken anything I say to be the the contrary, but remember, scoring a goal is just important as preventing a goal and typically 4th line forwards are used in a different role then first line forwards. Someone earlier in this thread said Detroit ranked 4th in the league in PK, if this iss the case, why do you refuse to give Miller any of the credit? He would be a major reason for this. You switch that from 4th in the league to 24th, that will affect your record a lot more then AA coming in and playing 6min a game and maybe scoring 4 more goals then Miller.
Of couse AA wants to be on the team, but there is a reason why you have adults making these decisions. Ask AA in 10 years if he thinks that not being on 4th line right now is better for him in the long run, I would bet anything he would say yes. Asking a 21 year old kid who just had a taste of the NHL if he wants more...in the moment he do doubt will say yes. Its no different then asking a player with a concussion if he wants back in a game, of course he will say yes as its their competitive nature. Now should the GM/coach allow him, of course not.
Just putting talented young kids on a team, doesn't equal success. I would hope following the Oilers over the last 10 years would show that. They key to having a good team is having a strong core, and a healthy mix of vets/kids and slowly integrating these kids into the lineup as the vets retire or move on. AA will get his shot, dont worry, and Miller will eventually move on. Now is not the time.
Now, if we run into a situation where we have to lose someone good because of Miller, then that is a different story and I would likely do what krsmith17 recommend, that being moving Sheahan down to 4th line. But we are not there yet.
If you keep making every excuse imaginable for him, then he must have that kind of value. Right?
No. ...and I never, not even once, said that or anything close to it.
If you look back at my posting history about Drew Miller you'll find that I advocate NOT RE-SIGNING him.
If he were traded, I would not lose any sleep. Same goes for Helm, Glendening, Andersson, etc.
(...but these guys are all horrible, right. Who wants any of them?)
...but back to Miller...
I think his time is done after this year, but I strongly disagree with your assessment of him/his role/how he should be contributing, and also the idea of bringing up more players from the AHL to fill up the 4th line. Not only do I believe it's detrimental to the development of players like AA or Mantha, it's also not feasible with roster limits, cap-space, etc. Without sending someone down, making a trade, an injury, it can't happen. It's pretty simple.
The 4th line needs fixing... and if Drew Miller sits, so be it.
But Glendening and Helm have been no better on the fourth than Miller. (See above post from Khan)
So continue to blindly beat a dead horse and say silly things like "Larkin will be sat before Drew Miller," but don't think I'm not going to provide you with information that might help you see things more clearly.
The Wings have 4 potential top line forwards in Larkin, Mantha, AA, and Svechnikov. They have 0 potential top pair D. Deal what you have for what you need. I believe Larkin will be good, but being elite isn't a guarantee, and he wouldn't be the first guy who had a fantastic rookie year then fell off the map for whatever reason.
I'm dealing any one of those three before I'm dealing Larkin.
Posted by krsmith17
on 29 November 2015 - 08:36 AM
I agree jimmy. The biggest thing for me is that this is not some hot shot kid that has come into the league and put up points solely on skill, he definitely has the skill, but he also has a calm demeanor, almost veteran like, and that is an extremely rare quality to find in a 19 year old. Future captain material for sure.
He has as good a shot as anyone to win the Calder at this point, but if Panarin keeps up his pace, he will likely win it. But there's no question in my mind that Larkin is and will be the better player, as Panarin has 5 years on Larkin...
As for the question of whether or not I'd trade him and for who? It may seem foolish but I think Larkin is one of those truly untouchables right now. Like most young kids, he is worth way more to us now and in the future than any possible trade scenario.
Everyone says how much we need that top pairing defenseman, well I think just as important as that, we need a future number one center to replace Pav and Hank when they retire / decline. Larkin is that. Again, it may seem foolish, but I'm not even sure I'd trade him for an Ekblad type defenseman straight up. I think Dylan is going to be THAT good... I don't think 70-80 points, Selke candidate is out of the question at all, and the way goal scoring is trending, that would be amazing!
I didn't realize the game was over, but I'm glad he was back.
That looked like it could've been ugly, especially with his concussion history.
Dubinsky only got two minutes for it, think he'll get suspended or fined?
I think it's worthy of something else. Not only did he purposefully cross check him in the back of the neck, he also interfered with him in the corner, and he continues with another cross when he's on the ground (and may have also lightly kicked him). To me, that's just unsportsmanlike disregard or disrespect for another player's wellbeing. He obviously thought Crosby went down too easily, but that was a pretty forceful crosscheck and dangerous.