LeftWinger

 
What's the logic for the Wings winning afgain?   

Team speed and a youthful ignorance to the fact that Boston is 10x better than us. Guys like Tatar, Jurco, Smith actually believe if they play fast and hard they can win. Combine that with the fact that all the pressure is on Boston to not lose and none is really on us since we're not supposed to win, and these kids just might be right.

Theres no defending Franzens play. I dont care if hes only a 4 mill cap hit. Hes produced nothing in over a month. Guy brings nothing to the team if hes not scoring Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk

Legwand had the GWG in an enormous game last night, Legwand broke up what likely could have been a goal late in the 2nd period just now. Legwand got called for a "high stick" that they didn't show the replay on because it was likely extremely weak. Legwand leads this team in points right now.

 

Let's settle down on the senseless Legwand bashing post after post, opinions have been made well known, repeating it in a different context over and over gets old. 

Lashoff totally blew his coverage there.

Then poke checks the air with Neal to his back as he slides it in

Wings need to pick up the physical play but be smart about it. Getting some traffic in front of Fleury is going to help.

Nice hit by Pavel on Crosby there.

 

Something that induces heart attacks doesn't ring of confidence... but if you want to say he had enough confidence in himself to try it, even knowing he was terrible at it, sure, I'll give you that.

Yeah that's exactly what I've been saying, I wasn't arguing that the fans have confidence in these goalies, but whether they themselves had confidence in what they were doing. Hasek clearly did. Howard clearly doesn't.

Who cares about goals? Who's gonna score if our top 2 lines get shut down in the playoffs? To make it far you need all 4 lines to chip in with goals from time to time

Darren McCarty cup winning goal vs flyers? Among a few others .... Maltby.... Draper

Hell even Joey kocur scored some nice playoff goals for us when we went on our cup runs

You can say who gives a crap if he doesn't score but chances are if he doesn't score a few in the playoffs along with miller or whom ever chances are we won't make it far

 

Getting on Glendening because he hasn't scored a goal is totally missing the point of him. It's almost like getting on Nyquist because he doesn't block enough shots. In a tight playoff series, how do we know a shot that Nyquist doesn't block won't end up being the difference?

 

Glendening is a shutdown center. His duties lie 100% on the defensive side of the puck. Any offense he provides is essentially a bonus. He takes the vast majority of his faceoffs in the defensive zone. He's clutch on the PK. He checks and grinds and pushes, shoves, yaps, agitates. He frustrates the likes of Crosby and Stamkos. In a tight playoff series against a top-heavy team like the Pens, a Luke Glendening would, in theory, give our top three lines more room in the matchups battle. If Datsyuk doesn't have to shadow Crosby on every shift he takes, he's probably going to be more dangerous offensively. Maybe Helm can cheat up ice a little more. Throw in the last change at home and the fact that Babs is a matchup wizard, and that's potentially the difference in the series right there.

 

But that's not even the big thing with him. The big thing with him is that he works hard, plays the right way, takes care of business, is zero-maintence, etc. He's a coach's dream and the kind of guy you love to have on your team. I don't think it's totally a coincidence that Babs says Glendening's line was our best against the Sabres and then, bam!, he gets extended. Our team has problems with keeping it simple, giving consistent effort, staying focused,  sustaining intensity, being responsible defensively, avoiding complacency. Those things aren't an issue for Glendening, and that's a big deal - for the team as a whole. That was on full display last night. He can be a steadying presence. Things getting dicey? Crosby running amok? Key PK? Too much cuteness? Throw Glendening's line over the boards. He may not score, but 1) big deal, and 2) he's going to score eventually, and then we'll be complaining that he doesn't score enough.

 

I mean, yeah, he's never scored in the NHL playoffs. That's true. But he's never actually played in the NHL playoffs. He's got, like, 50 games of NHL experience. And he's, what, like, 16 years old? Pretty sure this is the first season that fellow blockhand Darren Helm has shown the slightest bit of real scoring prowess. (That he's 27 probably has something to do with it.)

 

I just think it's nitpicking, saying Kocur scored some playoff goals therefore Glendening is useless.

I don't want to overstep here and go overboard, but I can see him in the future playing the same role Larionov did. He has the passing skills already, numerous times a game you look at a play he makes and think "What a pass by Sheahan there". He's capable of being among the better playmaking 2nd line centers in the league, might drop a few 50 assist seasons down the line. Who knows, but right now, first year, thrown into this situation not even anticipating playing for the Wings for a few years, he has impressed me and is a valuable piece to our current run.

...of all the prospects we have traded over the past for positions we NEEDED, please someone, name me ONE in the last 22 seasons that we really REALLY regret trading...please entertain us.

The only one I miss is Matthias. But getting Bertuzzi at the time made the trade well worth it. So I don't regret the trade. We have better prospects now anyway, Matthias was expendable. Jarnkrok was expendable as well. Farm is stacked. Some will need to go for immediate needs.

You make it sound like legwand is a star ... Let's be honest over here ... Will he have a long nhl career ? Yes ... But for a first overall nhl pick he's a bust ... A bust in the sense that when you get a first overall nhl pick your expecting and hoping that player is a franchise player that will carry the team and be super dominant and he hasn't

Him being nashvilles best player of all time isn't saying much , that team has been good for many years in the back end but never had any good scoring threats upfront .... Again legwand is good but like I said before he's a perfect third line center in a very good team .... Low and behold he's on the 3rd line now and what's worse is our big guns haven't even returned yet

This is the whole stephen weiss crap again .... A lot of People gave me s*** here for saying Weiss was overrated from day 1 and yes it's still soon but so far we can say it's been a disaster

You can say whatever you want about jarnkrok being a future bottom 6 .... facts are we gave up on top 3 prospect for a soon to be 34 yr old ufa which is absolute nonsense ... I would of rather called him up and see what would of happened , I'm pretty sure he'd have more games with pts than legwand has so far seeing how he's done with nobody's in Nashville and seeing how he had experience playing with nyquist sheahan jurco dekeyser etc ...

He's gone now so all we can do is accept the trade and or vent about it .... I'm pissed but I accept that it's done ... I just want jarnkrok to continue and dominate so we think hard next time about giving up a top prospect in our system


We all have our own opinions and that's mine and it won't change

 

 

I'm really, really, really, really, really tired of people trashing Weiss.  Really tired of it.  Were you also one of the ones saying Colaiacovo sucked? People seem unable to separate injuries from quality of play.  Both Cola and Weiss are very good players.  But Cola was injured so he "sucked."  Not playing due to injuries does not equal sucking.  Because he's injured for a season, and played with the injury in a new system early in the year, some people want to say he sucks. At no time in Weiss' career has he sucked, or been overrated.  He's been overlooked for the most part.

 

Right now, he's an X-factor of sorts because we don't know when he's coming back or if he'll be 100% this season, but that's about all I think anyone can say about him right now.  If we look at his career the chances of him bouncing back look very good.

 

And Legwand is a solid top 6 guy.  Yes, on a stacked team it'd be best to place him on the third line.  In the sense that he'd be VERY dangerous there.  I think people are just not understanding that he's not a goal scorer. He's a playmaker.

 

In addition to all the panic about trading Jarnkrok, we're forgetting that we won't ever personally suffer from that trade.  He's on Nashville.  Even if he becomes a star, it's unlikely that team will ever truly be good, and we'll only have to worry about them in a potential Finals matchup, the odds of that happening are very slim.  So we miss out on a potentially good center.  Well, we can get one from Europe this summer (there's a guy over there who we're rumored to be looking into), or trade for another one if need be.  But I don't know if he'll be better than Weiss or Legwand for several years.  So it's not a bad trade.  Maybe a little overpayment but it was necessary to address the needs of the team, and it doesn't hurt us for a year or two, if ever.

I'm working through the night and I got bored.

 

This was the result.

 

wasn't there already some sort of thread similar to this?

 

imo, UFAs: alfie and legwand stay (unless the wings win the cup, then alfie retires)

RFAs: I agree with leftwinger (because duh )

 

i think mraz & jurco start down in GR, and anderson does if they can't/don't want to trade him.

I don't think we'll resign monster but I wouldn't be surprised if kenny goes after an older goalie for a bargain year (it'd be nice to see brodeur or thomas accept a backup role/push howie for the starting job causing him to play even better consistently)

Rick, big difference here. bert is done. toast, finished, career over. Callahan is just beginning. maybe he becomes something, maybe not. we don't know. But he needs to play so we can find out. There are many reasons why he was a step slow. unfamiliar, nerves, told to focus on skating, etc....... I still think he is a 4th line checking guy, which is fine. maybe adds 10-15 goals per year. Great!

 

That’s my point. Hard to nitpick Callahan’s 5 minutes of ice time when Todd BerTANIC is floating around out there like no one told him he already sank many years ago. 

 

I’d take Callahan at this point. I know Babcock likes his “big bodies” but Bert took a stupid careless penalty just because he refuses to keep his goddamn stick on the ice with TWO HANDS all the time. Plus he turned the puck over at least 6 times. 

with all the kids getting better with each game it'll be interesting who sits when the injured guys start coming back.

Do we have a limit on the cap still or is that now lifted. I can only presume that Jurco, Sheahan, Pulkkinen,Ferraro

and Emmerton will go back to GR's and maybe Glendening stays as Babs likes him. To me Sheahan should stay 

up because him with Gus and Tats can be a dominate 3rd line for us. 

Hopefully they can keep going and get us in the post season when most of our injured guys should be back.

At the end of the day the kids have done great, but when you have the guys we have out it could be any other

teams top 2 forward lines.

 

Glendening-Sheahan-Miller. Boom, 4th line. You'd have to think Andersson is the odd man out when we get healthy. Nothing against him, but he is such a slow skater. Sheahan can more than make up for the points Andy would put up. 

It's like the pot calling the kettle black...