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The Flames response is comical. How the hell does he get a broken jaw if he was hit in the chest? f***in' morons. esteef

Lack of production isn't the problem. Lack of commitment to team defense is.

6 games and our enforcer (if we had one) punching his face into the ice would've made me feel a little better. esteef

Gery Bettman LOVES us, the NHL fixes games in our favor, Dan O'Halloran loves us, players always get suspended for stuff they do to the Wings, the Wings never get suspended, our lively end boards make us cheaters, and the War Room is always on our side. If you want to argue with any of those you will instantly be flamed on by fans of 29 other teams that hate the Wings with everything in them.

We should send some brownies with ex-lax to the Calgary organization

In that case, Bertuzzi will be out a while.

Ok, im new to the site so hello everyone. But i got thinking the other day and i was wondering why the red wings dont have a tough guy. I mean honesty its not like a tough guy could do any worse than hudler or the now injured washed up haz been madano. If we had a tough guy atleast he would go out and do something to create energy. The way i think of it as if you cant score atleast try and hit and fight and get energy in the place. if you cant fight than you should be able to score and produce. Hudler is doing none of that right now. hes not scoring so he should be atleast hitting and fighing making himself noticable. Bob probert died over the summer, the least the wings could do is show a little spin and get a tough guy. And dont tell me that abby and ericsson are tough becuause while they fight mabye 2-3 times a year they arent an enforcer just a GRITTY guy. we have a bunch of grit but not toughnest. red wings were playing some amazing hockey 3 years ago when downey was patrolling the ice. The wings neeed that more than ever. remember when lapperier layed out lidstrom? downey was the one that came to his aid and beat his ass. Also dont tell me a team with all tough guys doesnt win because the pens are currently leading the nhl in fights and are the best team in the nhl right now. They are the ideal team right now with skill and toughness. they are the wings of the 90's. Sure they can play the most skilled team in the league and beat them but they can also play the toughest teams and mop the floor with them too. They can score goals all night long but went things turn ugly they will beat the crap out of you. they have 3 heavy weight in godard, engelland, and rupp. but they also have adams, orpik, and asham. In the off season this year we could have gone out and got a tough guy. we could have gotten 3 konopka's for the price of hudler or madano. No but we decided the waste our cap space on a whased up has been in madano and a small none physical euro in hudler. what happend to the days of probert, kocur, lapointe, shanny, and mccarty. the only guys on the team now with some balls are abby, helm, eaves and stuart. for the love of god ken holland get someone on the team that can go out and do the dirty work. DO IT FOR PROBERT!!! End rant. Sorry if i offendend any of you guys but i though i would just make a point. I think i will like this place.

that's MR. STUART to you, chooch.

Please give your opinion why? I am curious to see hear your rationale

New member here. Greetings to all of the Red and White Army. That video is the closest we have come to Red Wings' version of "HBO's 24/7" Massive victory. I know some of you do not agree... however it shows the true heart of a depleted team against the hottest one in the league. What hunger by the recent Griffins. All in all, one word: Jimmah. Luongo is a c***. Red Wing 'till I die.

I don't see what the team needs, really. I know there are people who just need an enforcer but honestly the Wings do fine in the playoffs without one. They haven't been truly intimidated out of a game in years.

Yeah, I read some comments on one of the forums and found the number of "the league NEVER hands out discipline unless a Red Wing is hit" comments funny. Its like some people just hate the Wings so much it makes them retarded and causes them to make statements like that.

reading the calgary forums has just made me dumber.

I say we go out and get a konopka type player. I think just one guy like that would do a hell of a lot for Abby and ericsson because he actually knows what he's doing. Than Abby and Ericsson wouldn't feel like they hAve to do all the dirty work.

I think if anything this is great for fans. Who wouldn't want to have both of these guy's signatures on the same item? Its a rare opportunity, I wouldn't pass it up.

What do you mean by anything? Those two have made up, they get along. Lemieux said he respects McCarty for what he did, and understands it. He said no hard feelings. He said he didn't necessarily Turtle cause he's a *****, but one of McCarty's first punches landed and knocked him dizzy. They've made up, they've moved on. If you still have a problem with it, than I guess it's just that. Your problem.

Can we trade you? Maybe we can get a conditional pick or maybe a Thrashers fan.

Well, at least it wasn't one of the worst hits he's ever seen. That one happened to Franzen, right? For the record, I think Crosby's a super-talented whiny little *****. But this forum's obsession with him has gotten just sad. Who gives a crap? People complain about how the NHL gives him way too much attention, but how much do we give him here? He's one single player in the other conference that we'll never really see until the Cup finals if both teams make it that far.

iPhone. The wife usually uses the laptop during games. I have to go ice my thumb and hit the hay.

I rarely if ever participate in GDTs during the game. I can't watch the game and post at the same time. Don't know how you guys do it.

BULL s***. Grow up.

Should Holland model his GM style after Sutter's in Calgary? Lots of exciting trades to screw with team chemistry and pathetic results on the ice. I'll put my faith in the GM who's shown he knows how to make winning teams. Hells yeah. I can get behind that deal. How about Kindl and a 2nd for Hall? Then we'd really be cookin'.

Mindfly

It's been that way since Scotty Bowman.

Fixed. Sorry, I had to spell check that monstrosity of a post. Welcome to LGW, but if you want people to take you seriously, maybe take a little time and make your post a little more readable. As far as your points go, I agree with the fact that we don't really have an enforcer type of player on our team, but as of right now, I don't really see why we would need it. We're beating teams on the score sheet. Sure Hudler is essentially invisible this year, but I thought he played a little harder against Edmonton the other night. Modano was playing well up until he got injured too. Like I said, I don't know really what caused you to want to bring this up because it's not like teams are taking runs at our players or our players are getting injured in dirty play. We're a skilled team all around and as long as we're playing hard, I don't see the need for an enforcer. Not exactly the best team, plus they play in a division that contains the bottom two teams in the much weaker Eastern Conference. I'd expect them to be close to the top of the conference, as well as the NHL. But they're 4th. Not the best.