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Please, tell me another joke because I'm laughing my ass off right now.

Find me a goalie who doesn't give up rebounds. I already know what you are going to say "he gives up more rebounds than any other goalie I have seen!" Try expanding your knowledge base past the Red Wings and watch the goaltending in the NHL in general. The days of the shutdown, dominate goaltender are over, unless you have $6 million. If Howard is really as bad as some are making him out to be then why don't we just bring in Joey. In your opinion he couldn't be any worse than Howard.

howard defenders are no different than osgood defenders. they're convinced that it's all or nothing. either the goaltender is directly responsible for the loss or they aren't. it's literally not possible for both the goalie and the skaters to be bad, right? newsflash: multiple players were s*** tonight, howard being one of them. deal with it.

To quote Bruce Boudreau - "You can't ******* handle adversity? So s***'s not going right lately. ******* get your heads out of your asses and make it ******* work by outworking the opposition."

Some of you guys are over reacting BIG time. Did we lose tonight? Yah. Did we play bad tonight? Absolutely not. The Wings played a really good game tonight and they can take quite a bit from this game; moving in the right direction. Here is what I thought: - the 4th line was FANTASTIC once again - Pavs had an off night, but I read his interview where he said his hand still bothers him so no beef there - I thought Cleary had a really bad game in my opinion; he seems to slow down Pavs and Hank and shot the puck from terrible areas - the refs were TERRIBLE beyond belief - Howard showed once again that he is not the answer for this team with that first goal he let in off that terrible rebound; the theme continues where howard is unable to keep the boys in games - I still believe that Babs has to keep Pavs and Hank together. Why? Because when they get used to each other again and they get their chemestry back they are the best line in hockey. Also, near the end of the game Babs put HOmer on their line and they were much better ... so I think that line will get going starting next game - Modano and Abby had a good game I thought; I like them together - Overall it was a great game where 2 key things costed the Wings: Howard's terrible rebound and the terrible missed call on Nick... but that is no need to panic and start calling for heads here... the Wings will be fine as always

The issue isn't goaltending. It's the offense only putting up one goal and showing zero effort. Stop using goaltending as a crutch.

Didn't Quick give up a s***ty goal too??? Wings lost on a good deflection, not Jimmy

Well, we have: sucking and losing down pat.

lidstrom: "here lies... wait. no. he's still out there. perfect humans don't die."

I've hated that ******* giraffe spotpicker since he came into the NHL.

Not from me you won't, I agree with you

I honestly don't give a s*** about his intentions at this point. His victim has a broken ******* neck and severe concussion. Did anyone care that Bertuzzi didn't mean to break Moore's neck? Did anyone care that the guys piling on Bert and Moore afterwords almost certainly worsened Moore's neck injury? Nope. If I plow into the back of a guy's car on the highway my insurance company doesn't give two s***s about my intent.

this looked like interference and no more... i know this wont be a particularly popular opinion. this play happens once a year and everyone mentions how dumb the rink design is and then nothing gets done. another link to the video since that ones gone.....

Not that I don't appreciate A LOT of the video work that you do but, not that you've even broken this hit down, if you look at video hard enough, you can see whatever you want to see out of it. The game is played in a speed faster than replay, screenshots, and slow-motion... There are certainly a lot of players out there that deliberately make bad decisions or premeditated actions on the ice that lead to injury. Other players also make split second decisions that involve injury whether there is intent or not. As I said in the previous thread, I think Chara's received all the punishment he'll get. 5 minutes for interference. Game Misconduct. I'll leave it at that... Except to disagree and say that Claude was a terribly dirty player... although just like Chara's hit tonight, I'm not sure he meant to rub Draper out into the boards like that.

This place is tame when we win and a madhouse when we lose. A lot of posters feed off of the failure of this team. People would rather complain about Howard than talk about the real problems this team has. I'm not saying that Howard should not be included in any criticism but to act like he is the only problem with this team and the only reason they are losing is what gets me ticked off.

If the Wings were willing to bench Hasek, Cujo and Osgood, why can't we bench Howard? Just because he's younger? There's plenty of good young goalies in hockey that pop up every year. I just don't see him as a big game goalie. He folded in the playoffs last year, and it's followed him into this season.

I've nicknamed him Nessie, after the Loch Ness Monster, who appears as often as Franzen does. Guy just doesn't know how to play a full 82 game season. Not used to it.

I'll have to check the gamesheet, I'm unaware that he even dressed tonight.

he played tonight? hmm... didn't notice. i thought he was scratched.

Didn't we used to have a scorer named Zetterberg?

Between not suspending Demers for punching an official (accidentally or not, you don't do that when officials jump in) and not suspending Chara for his stupid, dangerous hit (again, accidentally or not), I've lost a lot of respect for the NHL's disciplinary "procedures", and I didn't have a lot of it to begin with. Chara's hit wouldn't be that bad if he didn't push Pacioretty and I wouldn't have a problem with just an interference penalty. There should have been at least a 1 game suspension for both incidents and maybe not more than 3. You f*** up, you should pay. Accidental or not, both those players should sit at least a game to punish their stupidity. Bettman and his cronies need to go before the NHL goes from Laughing Stock of the professional sports in NA to somewhat legitimate. Disgusting.

You know what? f*** off. Scott Stevens was one of my favorite non-wing players. I fought when I played the game. I enjoyed having the Grind Line and having fighters on the team. I would have enjoyed Probert too if I had been able to watch him play. Just because I don't think that the bulls*** Gillies pulled was good for the game doesn't mean its a "pussification of the game". It just means I understand there is a line. You obviously don't and don't really care as long as it is "rough and tumble" hockey. Tangradi didn't run his mouth to anyone. There was no mention of it and there is no reason to think he did. Gillies is a goon, and a stupid one at at that, and took drastic steps to "enforce" that endangered the career of a young hockey player. He could have stood up to him and fought him straight up. He could have hit him with a clean, solid, devestating body check. But no, he crosschecked a player in the head, punched him while he was incapacitated, and then after being kicked out went on a taunting spree while he was helpless. You think that is good for the game? Go ahead, but don't bother discussing anything "enforcer" related to me in the future from now on if you are going to take that stance. Despite the fact he severely affected the career of a person who at worst "ran his mouth" But hey, it's "good rough hockey" right? Who cares who gets injured and how.

:nonono: Jesus! These comments blow my mind. Its so easy for anyone here to talk about money when its not theirs. Any team in their right mind would pay upwards of $7.5-$8 million per for a Norris Defenseman in the NHL, yet people ***** because they feel Nick (who's taken paycut after paycut) should make even less than $6. Get real people.

I'm sorry, but Chara needs a heavy suspension for that bulls***. He looks up to see where he was on the rink and sees the stanchion and throws him into it. It's bulls*** and uncalled for. I hope to god Pac's ok. That was horrific.

As ugly as that hit was, it was more carelessness then an intent to injure.