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Okay and for the millionth time, in the NHL RULEBOOK, they are not fair game. Period. Its really not that hard to understand.

You don't need to suspend someone every time a rule gets broken. Yes the hit was cheap, but why suspend him? Just give the man a penalty and move on with things, and somebody tell Miller to take it like a man.

Okay, if everyone is saying it wasn't intent to injure, then what was it??? He clearly wasn't tryIng to separate the man from the puck (it was already gone), you don't protect your self by throwing all 240 so lbs at Miller when the picks heading to the corner. Then follow through with ur hands. I won't even point out the fact he was laughing about it. Fact is Lucic tried to hit a player, that legally isnt allowed to be hit, and didn't have the puck, while receiving a charging penalty. Its either that or he was trying to avoid hitting him all together and 200+ lucic was trying to protect him self from a goalie who was standing still and defensiveness??? Lucic saw his chance to take a shot at Miller and he did. This isn't whether u feel like goalies should be fair game outside the crease because that isn't in the rules. He CAN'T be hit. This is also why I had a problem with no call on Thomad for flattening Sedin in the crease. The goalies aren't allowed to be hot, they shouldn't be able to hit back. If thst is legal Hasek flipping Gabby is legal, atleast Hasek attempted at the puck. These are NHL players they know what they are doing he ran over miller with no other intent but to take him out. If you disagree please explain to me your side and don't just neg me, id love to hear u out...

I'm the biggest supporter of physical, tough hockey, but how can anyone seriously defend that play? Regardless of what we all think should be in the rules, the bottom line is its against the rules to hit a goalie in hockey. The grow up getting hit with pucks, not learning how to take a hit and their equipment is not designed to take a hit at all. Their helmets fall off from shots, so god knows what a 230 lb physical freak of nature like Lucic could do. He blatantly hit him, threw his hands up and everything didnt even attempt to move. I would love Lucic on Detroit but he is a huge meathead and this is a clear example.

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As well as provide a first hand account of a meeting with players, GM's, and coaches which showed concern for the topic we're all discussing. Pretty good stuff if you ask me.

All of the above is second at 22%, which is sort of a vote for Sakic as well. So 66% think Sakic is getting in.

If I'm not making sense to you in trying to justify the suspension, that may be because I wasn't actually trying to justify one. You can cherry pick a few posts and make it sound as if there's this resounding outrage, but you were the one saying Miller swung his stick like a girl after breaking a nail, so you hardly look impartial on the matter. Most of this thread to me is people just discussing it, with a few people who already hate Lucic chiming in. And maybe one who apparently doesn't like Miller. Also, the Red Wing in question happens to be the brother of the player who got run by Lucic. I'm not advocating it, but it's not like it was someone randomly saying the Wings should attack Lucic. They were just speculating on if his brother Drew would do anything. I chose that analogy because we're talking about a player who isn't eligible to be hit, much like a player without the puck. If you hit a guy without the puck the intent may not have been to injure, but because you're hitting a player who probably isn't prepared to get hit, the chances of injury are higher, intent or not.

So the latest conspiracy is that Lucic intended to take Miller out.. I've seen goalies hit behind the net countless times when playing the puck. If they get bowled over, in my opinion it's their fault, the rules often disagree with me here, but still, I don't think you quite understand what any levels of intent are. First is the situation behind the play. They were going for the puck. Lucic braced himself and made the hit. The only reason this is even a penalty is because contact occurred and Lucic made no effort whatsoever to get out of the way. Second, intent to injure, might wanna re-watch the Flames/Wings series in the 2004 playoffs of Ville Niemenen skating into the crease and elbowing Curtis Joseph in the head. That is an intent to injure. This hit with Lucic on Miller.. give me an effing break.

Wiz's rights went for a 7th rounder, Ehrhoff's for a 4th. Why would you think it would take a 1st plus players? Or do you mean as a deadline deal? They are still exempt and we'll have the cap space to add alternatives. Wouldn't surprise me at all if they both end up staying another year. If they play like stars the whole year in GR and/or they get called up here and make an impact it'd be a different story, but I'll wait until after that happens before I pencil them in to next year's roster.

Wow. Lack of intent? Let's see, Lucic made no effort at all to avoid Miller, who was on a pretty straight path and not moving quickly. Then he follows through on his check when contact is made. That's lack of intent? Maybe the hit wasn't suspension-worthy, but to say it was a lack of intent is a load of crap. You have 1) an intentional hit on a goaltender, who by the rules is not fair game 2) that led to a concussion of that player 3) by a player who has been suspended in the past. Sorry. This isn't the same level of punishment we saw from Shanny in the preseason and early in the season. The wheel of justice is starting to spin a little...

Well, so far this season Lidstrom is really the only one playing like an All-Star.

You are missing the point, he is a hero (as you put it) not because he blocked a shot. But the situation in which he did it. In front of an open net, Diving face first. What you are missing is that if he didn't get hit in the face we would be talking about the effort he gave, even if the puck went in. Now if they score and he dives, it is in the game day thread as a great effort. He dives and blocks it with his body, and the score was 4-1, or 5-2 or whatever at the time then it probably ends up still in the game day thread. He dives and blocks the shot during a one goal game that the wings go on to dominate and win the third period after his effort, probably a one page thread with a few posts. He dives and blocks the shot with his face, causing injury, and it is during a one goal game that the wings go on to dominate and win the third period after his effort. You end up with this thread. You got negged and I responded because you are acting like this happens 5-6 times a game, when in all actuality when was the last time you saw a player dive face first to block a puck in the crease. Let a lone a Wings D-man, think about how skilled( or unskilled rather) wings d-men have been around the crease the last few years. People on here have bitched for years about the Wings D and clearing the crease or dealing with rebounds. Even when Z does SLIDE into the crease from time to time he goes in feet first, other D go down on one knee to block it. He laid out for that one like very few players in the league do. This was not just another blocked shot, IMO. But don't take my word on it, take these:

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White knew the risk when he dove to block the puck, but decided saving a goal was more important then his safety. Does make him bit of a hero to me.

seven hells look at those ref jerseys.

Just title it "Powerplay as our enforcer", otherwise it goes right to the garbage.

Stuart for Parros and a pick. Then he can be with his family in California and we can get a pick for the future, plus an enforcer who the ladies love. Everyone goes home happy

It's funny cause no one on Buffalo is going to take on Lucic and if they did I'm pretty sure Lucic would wipe the floor with them. Regardless blah stuff like this happens. Glad to see Miller wasn't injured but if goalies leave the crease like that to play the puck imo they should be fair game.

Miller is very lucky he didn't connect with his stick there, it looked to me like he swung that goalie stick around like he was going for a Mcsorley....which is more of a piece s*** move if you ask imo don't skate to the hash marks, at Lucic of all people.

I think Mike Bossy might be a few years past his prime as well.

Miller is one of my favourite goalies here but f*** it, I like what Lucic did. Goalies get enough protection in the crease and around it. They don't deserve to go for a skate that far up the ice and expect to be protected as they aren't protecting the net at that point (otherwise the argument is the goalie being anywhere on the ice is considered protecting the net), they're playing the puck as any other skater. Lucic doing that, while infuriating him, lets him know that next time the puck is that far up the ice, Miller is taking a risk by going for a skate so far up the ice, and he just might think twice. I don't think goalie interference applies to that, even less do I think it's charging the goaltender. Lucic is finishing a hit on a player skating far away from his net to play the puck and not playing goal. The reaction by Miller and Ruff is over the top.

I think he means the one where the game was interesting.

I already mailed in my ballots for Crosby and Staal, both have had a great jump this season. The things they are doing is this league are bar none. I have seem some of the video clips of Crosby at practice, wow I don't even understand why he is on the ballot figured he would already be the captain. Sigh.

... Hossa in 09? But I agree he should have a goal scorer to play with not ******* Dan Cleary.