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Okay and for the millionth time, in the NHL RULEBOOK, they are not fair game. Period. Its really not that hard to understand.

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The Wings are coming in hot, but the Blues seem to have found out how to win. Looking for the Wings to come out strong and take this one. Go Wings. Lets get Datsyuk and Zetterberg on the scoring sheet!

This is going to be the offseason that has the potential to make the wings contenders for the next 10 years again, if Holland can get it done. Holland has 24 million in cap space with 15 players already signed. Everyone with more cap space either have a few more players to sign, are internal cap teams or both. Holland has the most cap space to play around with out of all the teams who are legit free agent destinations. This imo will be the make or break offseason for Holland to make this team contenders again for many years. Parise is a 26 year old 40 goal scorer, possibly the best scoring winger in the game right now and does it with no help. Lets give him 7.5 as an overpayment just for the hell of it. Than Suter, probaly the best defensive defenseman in the game now right there with Lidstrom and Chara. Lets give him 7 for s***s and giggles which I doubt he actually gets. 14.5 to those guys leaves 9 million 5 to lidstrom leaves 4.5 Smith, Tatar, Nike = 2.5 left 1 millin for abdelkader 1.5 for helm Its definitely doable to have a line up with all those guys, and adding those 2 would make them instant cup favourites. If I'm Holland I make a trade for Parise at the deadline if possible, give up a 1st, Kindl, and Tatar or something for him. Than use Parise as leverage to lure Suter to the D. Its actually extremely possible for this to all happen and I would bet Hollands thinking about something like this. Our number 1 Dman and all star forward for the next 10 years would be locked up

You don't need to suspend someone every time a rule gets broken. Yes the hit was cheap, but why suspend him? Just give the man a penalty and move on with things, and somebody tell Miller to take it like a man.

Okay, if everyone is saying it wasn't intent to injure, then what was it??? He clearly wasn't tryIng to separate the man from the puck (it was already gone), you don't protect your self by throwing all 240 so lbs at Miller when the picks heading to the corner. Then follow through with ur hands. I won't even point out the fact he was laughing about it. Fact is Lucic tried to hit a player, that legally isnt allowed to be hit, and didn't have the puck, while receiving a charging penalty. Its either that or he was trying to avoid hitting him all together and 200+ lucic was trying to protect him self from a goalie who was standing still and defensiveness??? Lucic saw his chance to take a shot at Miller and he did. This isn't whether u feel like goalies should be fair game outside the crease because that isn't in the rules. He CAN'T be hit. This is also why I had a problem with no call on Thomad for flattening Sedin in the crease. The goalies aren't allowed to be hot, they shouldn't be able to hit back. If thst is legal Hasek flipping Gabby is legal, atleast Hasek attempted at the puck. These are NHL players they know what they are doing he ran over miller with no other intent but to take him out. If you disagree please explain to me your side and don't just neg me, id love to hear u out...

I'm the biggest supporter of physical, tough hockey, but how can anyone seriously defend that play? Regardless of what we all think should be in the rules, the bottom line is its against the rules to hit a goalie in hockey. The grow up getting hit with pucks, not learning how to take a hit and their equipment is not designed to take a hit at all. Their helmets fall off from shots, so god knows what a 230 lb physical freak of nature like Lucic could do. He blatantly hit him, threw his hands up and everything didnt even attempt to move. I would love Lucic on Detroit but he is a huge meathead and this is a clear example.

Agreed. Shanny has shown his hand now. Star players get preferential treatment.

Kerry Fraser's opinion: FRASER: SHANAHAN MISSED THE CALL AND HAS SENT WRONG MESSAGE

All of the above is second at 22%, which is sort of a vote for Sakic as well. So 66% think Sakic is getting in.

The talk of intent is silly, and 99 times out of 100 is completely based on speculation and bias. It is nearly impossible to prove intent, which is why it should only be used when it is damn obvious, like say stomping on a players leg with your skate; black and white, only one outcome, injury. Saying you believe that he didn't mean to do it, like Shanahan did here, shouldn't acquit the player of the act. Likewise, we shouldn't condemn a player on plays like this (not black and white like the stomp) based on the way he looked at him or things he said, though after his reaction, Lucic was looking guilty as sin. In this case, it has little to do with whether Lucic intended to injure Miller when he hit him like he did. It matters that he did intend to hit him, and Miller did get injured. The rest is for the fans to argue. Lucic made a stupid, reckless, dirty play outside of the bounds of the rules (whether you agree with them or not), and it resulted in injury. Period. It doesn't matter if he knew how stupid it was or if he meant it to be as cheap as it was. This is a different example than most because this wasn't a goaltender getting hit playing the puck behind the net. I usually defend the skater when a goaltender is behind his goal, sitting on a puck and someone bumps into him. This wasn't behind the net. This wasn't a delayed play. There was no puck anymore. This wasn't a little bump. Everyone needs to stop comparing this play to plays behind the net, and definitely need to drop the whole "but he didn't mean to" argument. Action trumps intent.

So the latest conspiracy is that Lucic intended to take Miller out.. I've seen goalies hit behind the net countless times when playing the puck. If they get bowled over, in my opinion it's their fault, the rules often disagree with me here, but still, I don't think you quite understand what any levels of intent are. First is the situation behind the play. They were going for the puck. Lucic braced himself and made the hit. The only reason this is even a penalty is because contact occurred and Lucic made no effort whatsoever to get out of the way. Second, intent to injure, might wanna re-watch the Flames/Wings series in the 2004 playoffs of Ville Niemenen skating into the crease and elbowing Curtis Joseph in the head. That is an intent to injure. This hit with Lucic on Miller.. give me an effing break.

Shanny gives Macarthur 3 games or whatever it was for his tiny little bump on Abdelkader but a guy running a goalie in the head (hands came up) doesnt even warrant a fine? Shanny did learn from Campbell I guess eh

Outrage yes, statements like wanting the Red Wings to exact retribution for an incident involving other teams, wondering rhetorically why people like Savard get cheap-shotted, calling Lucic trash, I see plenty of outrage. Surprising you don't. Your analogy though has nothing to do with what occurred. Goalies are not fair game, the technicality of this wasn't really debated or inferred otherwise. The charging nature of the penalty was the fact that this was obviously not incidental contact -- the refs had to call that. If it was not a penalty to finish the check on a goalie playing the puck far away from his crease as any other skater playing the puck would be vulnerable to this would have been a non-issue. It's not anywhere close to an intent to injure call on the ice. It was not a double minor, it was not a major, there was no misconduct, no match penalty, nothing. It isn't just Shanahan that saw it that way. Lucic simply tried to play the puck and when he was too close he decided to just brace himself and deliver a hit. There's no argument that it's a penalty (if we're arguing by the NHL's rules, my opinion obviously is another issue) but you're not making any sense trying to justify a suspension.

i think it's safe to say that it'd be very surprising if smith and nyquist weren't on the team at the start of next season. anything can happen of course, but it would be surprising if they started off in gr again. you'd rather have iginla than parise??? parise's like 10 years younger, and probably at the same level talent-wise. of all the things in that post... you chose to focus on the fill-in-the-blank cheap backup goalie that i threw out as an example. you sir are the definition of a negative turd. did you not read anything in the post!?? we're going to have more than enough to sign both at fair market value. how about some reading comprehension.

I don't understand the outrage about the lack of suspension. I can see where the charging call was made, even though I don't like it, but it was a shoulder hit, not a head shot, not a blind side hit, not any of these nitpicky ticky tack penalty du jour the NHL is confusingly trying to enforce. Lucic simply tried for the puck and braced himself to deliver a check to Miller. I doubt it was accidental, which is why it was a penalty, but it's not so bad nor such an intent to injure that it warrants a suspension just because Miller's helmet flew off and now it turns out he has a concussion. I don't think there's any sense to amplifying a punishment just because of outrage.

Wow. Lack of intent? Let's see, Lucic made no effort at all to avoid Miller, who was on a pretty straight path and not moving quickly. Then he follows through on his check when contact is made. That's lack of intent? Maybe the hit wasn't suspension-worthy, but to say it was a lack of intent is a load of crap. You have 1) an intentional hit on a goaltender, who by the rules is not fair game 2) that led to a concussion of that player 3) by a player who has been suspended in the past. Sorry. This isn't the same level of punishment we saw from Shanny in the preseason and early in the season. The wheel of justice is starting to spin a little...

Well, so far this season Lidstrom is really the only one playing like an All-Star.

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Just title it "Powerplay as our enforcer", otherwise it goes right to the garbage.

Stuart for Parros and a pick. Then he can be with his family in California and we can get a pick for the future, plus an enforcer who the ladies love. Everyone goes home happy

This team needs Dustin Penner's compete level like it needs a hole in the head. I'm not the biggest Stuart fan but send him away if and only if he gets a quality defenceman back in return.

Miller is very lucky he didn't connect with his stick there, it looked to me like he swung that goalie stick around like he was going for a Mcsorley....which is more of a piece s*** move if you ask imo don't skate to the hash marks, at Lucic of all people.

I think Mike Bossy might be a few years past his prime as well.

Vote for Rory was fun. Maybe we should start a Vote for Jiri.