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Yeah topic involves hockey, site involves hockey, so technically going by your logic as long as it's hockey related it can be posted in any thread because it's "on topic". So staying on topic, let's bring up the 1960 stanley cup finals, because it involves hockey just like this thread does. Here's your cue to mention Holland "failing" to get Parise because he wanted to play in his home state instead Wtf is Kenny's problem he should have moved the entire franchise to Minnesota to insure they DECIDED to come play here, or held their families hostage at gunpoint and forced them to come play here. So sorry for questioning you, your credibility is phenomenal. Coming back to reality, the thread has nothing to do with opinions on Holland, the decisions of Suter and Parise to play for Minnesota, it's a thread about a trade that the OP believes should make with Winnipeg. Your comment was completely off topic, but apparently excuses will be made for you to continue to make stabs at this team and it's management. While we're at it, I think i'll bring up Chewbacca, because he follows around Han Solo in Star Wars, as Luke Skywalker uses a blue lightsaber, and blue is the color of Winnipeg's jerseys, so that's gotta be on topic also. Let's get into a heated wookie discussion people.

I'm fine with Mule not fighting but he certainly needs to finish his checks which he frequently does not. And people like fighting in hockey because it's exciting. esteef

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="LeftWinger" data-cid="2345224" data-time="1358912222"><p> All due respect to Budd and his WWII heroism and decades of work in the organization, but there come a time when change is needed from the top to the bottom... Holmstrom retired today, the last of the dynasty, its time for a new beginning...but this organization refuses to change. That is why you will see the same old crap at the Joe and the same junky music and the same type of players....its over, the dynasty is over, let go. I am sure Budd wouldn't mind, nor his family. Time to stop talking about history and tradition, what did it get us last summer, no UFA's of significance, no players who mean anything want to come here anymore....Detroit has worn out its welcome in the NHL and yet they still keep going back to the same well....let it go....Hey dude, my grandfather was a war hero too, he is dead, I let him go, I don't go around playing tapes of him talking...life goes on..time to move on from Budd, Karen, Stanley the Octopus and Hey Hey Hockeytown...</p></blockquote> You know what your absolutely right, while we're at it lets get rid of all the championship banners and un-retire everybody's numbers, especially the guys that played in the 50's cuz that was 2 dynasties ago and thats kind of embarrassing. And make sure we cancel the ceremony we are going to have for Lidstrom next year cuz it's all about the new era. Thanks for opening my mind.

We desperately need to bolster our defence... here is my trade proposal... To Winnipeg: Ian White Kyle Quincey Jakub Kindl Jan Mursak Tomas Tatar 2013 1st round pick To Detroit: Zach Bogosian Mark Stuart 2013 3rd round pick Detroit Lineup Henrik Zetterberg - Pavel Datsyuk - Damien Brunner Johan Franzen - Valtteri Filppula - Mikael Samuelsson / Gustav Nyquist Todd Bertuzzi - Darren Helm - Patrick Eaves Dan Cleary / Drew Miller - Justin Abdelkader - Jordin Tootoo Cory Emmerton Niklas Kronwall - Jonathan Ericsson Brendan Smith - Zach Bogosian Mark Stuart - Kent Hunkins / Carlo Colaiacovo

I happen to agree with you regarding Samuelsson and Bertuzzi's contracts. There was definitely no reason to give Samuelsson a NTC. In my opinion, it was idiotic to give Bertuzzi that second year. Quincey has been a big failure this far. Overpayment.However, PARISE AND SUTER WENT TO MINNESOTA FOR FAMILY. THEY WEREN'T COMING HERE ANYWAY. Neither of them are worth the idiotic contracts that Minnesota gave them. Yikes. Holland has made stupid moves, but overpaying for either of these overrated pansies would've been majorly stupid moves. Also, players like Tootoo are desperately needed here. He's basically our only source of snarl and constant physicality up front. In my opinion, more players that play a similar style to his are needed. I already explained the Huskins situation to you, but you never directly replied.

I understand why some people have a problem with the suspension, but they need to get over it and understand that you can't hit like that. It really isn't that difficult to avoid. The video even acknowledges that players will leave their feet sometimes on natural follow through, but he clearly went airborn long before contact. If the shoulder went into his chest, it would simply be a 2 minute minor for charging. Since it made contact with the head, it's a suspension. Simple as that really.

"No wonder the Oilers lost so bad yesterday. They got their zone exit strategy from the Mighty Ducks." from reddit haha

I don't see why it's such a bad move. The Wings were lacking in depth on d and added a NHL defenseman... I know you want to see Almquist become the next Lidstrom but geez give him time. While you wait play some more seasons on NHL13.

I dont have a problem with the suspension really, its charging all the way, and to me, looks like he leaves his feet to launch into him. I think its a good call on the NHL's part. If he doesnt leave his feet, and launch at him... then my opinion changes. But leaping up to hit the guy, really forces the body and head/neck of the guy getting hit to jump back, and potentially leading to him falling backwards to the ice... "head first"

That was very obviously charging.

You're railing against a guy making damn near vet minimum, for one year, who played pretty well.

talk about a drop in contract cap... good for him, and great god - what a steal for Sharks. even if it's one year the guy should be poised to prove everybody wrong. unless he pulls a.... mmmm... Scott Gomez... and scores 2 goals the entire season

I'd like to see something like Tatar + Emmerton + 2nd rounder for Gormley. Bogosian would cost us something like Filppula + Tatar + Kindl/Quincey.

Should've had the #96 at the edge of the creases last night.

...Then dropped the ceremonial puck and spent the next two minutes in the box for goaltender interference. Enjoy, Homer. You've earned it.

Idiots saying the same tired bulls*** Franzen and Cleary are the only wings players crashing the net. Franzen isn't a great stick handler so he isn't going to be controlling the puck a lot in the offensive zone. Flippula is supposed to be our stick handler on that line and he just gets bullied to the outside every time with the puck. I love the guy and he works hard but Franzen is a much more effective player with our roster the way it is in this first 3 games

He's also taking on a role where he's going to be abused. He'd better learn to take it and get up. That's one thing I think we took for granted with Homer. We knew he took abuse but we took for granted the fact he'd get up as fast as he could, he could keep him balance pretty damn well and wouldn't sulk or float in his job.

Somewhere in the Chicago suburbs Brett Lebda is holding a red wings voodoo doll and waiting for his phone to ring.

Not quite Murphy's law, but I blame Murphy's new glasses for all of this. Just can't look @ him and not giggle :-)

Dan DeKeyser anyone?

Yeah started the season 1-2-0 let's throw the rest of the year away we're doomed. Experience is overrated anyway our bottom two lines can be all rookies.

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Playmaker" data-cid="2344879" data-time="1358903457"><p> I don't think the Wings have enough depth to be able to afford having a one dimensional player who can only play in limited situations. </p></blockquote> You must not be watching the games. Tootoo is far from one dimensional.

We must find this "penalties" character and kill him.

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="LeftWinger" data-cid="2345053" data-time="1358909050"><p> are they still using a recording of Budd Lynch saying Last minute to go? If so, gimme a freakin break! Let go already! This is a new era! This is jsut an example of how this organization works....never let go of the past! Holland is still running his team this way! He still thinks he can win with mostly Euros....<br /> <br /> <br /> Hey look, goal.....</p></blockquote> Wow, I really hope you are joking because they are doing that to honor Bud and his decades of work with the organization. How disreapectful of you to say something like that.

Have you stopped and compared Colaiacovo and Quincey's numbers to Wiz?? Pretty much the same. White is the only one that has a bit of the suck factor. One day we need Numbers...the next day we need a roughneck as you put it..... hahahaha go on compare a "good" player as you call wiz to our current d men.