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Don't know. I'll keep an eye on it.

tonights lineup (Brunner) (Z) (franzen) (cleary) (datsyuk) (abby) (tots) (andersson) (eaves) (miller) (emmerton) (toots) (howie)

Here comes more Cleary hate....

Holland is a broken record. "The powerplay is our enforcer" "We like our team" "Getting our injured guys back is our deadline addition" "Our prospects are overripe in the minors"

...if Cleary is re-signed, frick this team! Talk about taking up a roster space from someone who deserves it...Holland needs to be fired if he re-signs Cleary....period. Say goodbye to Dats if Holland does nothing to make this team better and Dats is stuck playing with garbage like Cleary... $4.5M is fine for Filppula. I don't see why the Wings would say its too much, it's only $1.0M more than his salary is now. In my opinion any lower would be a low-ball. Flip can get $5M on the market easily...

http://kuklaskorner.com/tmr/comments/red-wings-gm-ken-holland-talks-trade-turkey-with-espns-lebrun?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Well, I guess that's the end of that. I could spout off for about 5 pages on this, but I won't I'd rather let you guys take over from here. Suffice it to say, this is one of the only 5 sentences Holland seems capable of saying lately. Anyone who "likes our team" and thinks that "getting healthy players back will be like making trades and will be our deadline additions" is living in La-La Land. This team is far from good enough to even consider such ridiculous inactivity.

Sometimes Pavs should be more selfish..

Penn State should be banned from starting any new programs - yes I am painting the entire school with the same brush.

now THAT is Abby's job!

Babs is on LGW!!!!

No, but just because of the salary.

Good god, watching Abby and Cleary constantly bumble ******* around with Datsyuk is almost heartbreaking.

Tootoo seems to be shooting a lot more now.

Huh?

As stated above, Holland has been saying all year that this team is a work in progress and that it might not even make the playoffs. Not once has he said "we like our team". Your criticism is noted yet completely erroneous and misguided. If you want to criticize Holland focus on things like how he lacked a long term vision for how we'd transition into the post Lidstrom era, or how he consistently lowballs helpful free agents because he's cheap and afraid of the cap. It's pointless to keep parroting something he said years ago when we were frequently competing for cups.

I disagree that we don't have anything to trade, we've got a lot to trade in terms of picks and prospects, and considering the cap is going down next year picks and prospects (that have shown something) are more valuable than ever. Take a team like New Jersey for example, they have to resign Elias, Zidlicky, Clarkson, Henrique, Ponikarovsky, Liktionov, and they're going to have less cap space to do it. Surely, they'd consider moving Volchenkov and his 4.5 million dollar cap hit in order to facilitate that. Especially considering they've already got a glut of NHL ready defensemen. Tatar and a 3rd would come close to getting it done. They'd get a pick and a cheap winger who can contribute immediately, we'd get a top four defenseman to play with Kronwall, and we'd lose a good prospect but not one who's integral to the future of this team. Then we move White or whoever to replace the pick we lost.

Filppula and Tatar should be in the top 6. Not old man Sammy and old man Bertuzzi. I don't think Cleary and Abdelkader should be on the team, period. We can find cheap crap on the market that puts up similar numbers with similar icetime that those players are getting.

I figured out what's wrong with Helm's back. It's shuddering from the anticipation of carrying the team on it when he returns because, according to LGW, no one else is doing anything on this team to the point that every thread becomes an anti- Flip-Franzen-Cleary-Abby-random injured person (circle all that apply) thread.

His level of play suggests otherwise.

<----- That's Datsyuk.

I think I will throw up if Cleary is re-signed.

For me, it's not just about scoring. There's no valid reason he can't skate with the effort that Helm does. There's no reason he can't be checking, hitting, dropping the gloves on occasion, making some good defensive plays, etc. Ditto for Cleary and Franzen. While I wish Helm would cash in more on his chances, you can't fault his effort and what he contributes to the team.