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Poor handless Helm

I dont get why you trade a bona fide star, for a guy who COULD be a star. Maybe Edmonton wins long term, but I feel that there are better defenseman out there that you could have gotten if you are going to offer Hall. Bad trade for Edmonton.

The only good thing is he signed before July 1st. At least we didn't get strung along for 3 days while all the other free agents signed like Suter and Parise did.

Offer sheets are a terrible idea in general, and Holland hasn't nor will he make an offer sheet on a player, plain and simple. There's zero chance he would offer sheet Kucherov, and piss off Yzerman... With Stamkos gone, I'm really hoping we go after Backes on a short term (2-3 year) deal. We desperately need a number one center to fill in for a couple years while Larkin gets adjusted to the position at the NHL level. I think Backes is the best option available in free agency, and I'd prefer to hold onto our assets to make a trade on the back end, rather than up front. Not going to be quite as exciting tomorrow with Stamkos off the board, but I'm still interested (afraid) in what Holland will do with all of this cap space, that he freed up...

Weber is a thug. I'd rather have Subban.

For the numbers people could be throwing at Matt Martin, Helm will be def. Getting offers, he was one of our players with value. He won't be a wjng next season ans I have a feeling of Martin can get a 3.5-4, helm easily gets 4 aav

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 11m11 minutes ago Montreal, Toronto, Buffalo and a fourth team got to make pitches in person to Stamkos this week. Detroit not one of them. Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 11m11 minutes ago I Detroit would have had its turn but Stamkos began to reel it in and focus on Re signing with Tampa Bay Well that stinks... Screw him then

There is no honor in tanking. It's a terrible idea to purposely tank and I cannot comprehend how some of you suggest it as an option. There are other ways to get back and we'll find our way there.

As bad as the roster looks, and as bad as losing out on Stamkos is, it might be a blessing in disguise. We have to play young players now, we don't have a choice. No free agent that we could woo is going to make us a contender. At this point I wish Kenny would just buyout Ericsson and we go really young on the back end, a bump in the road for one reason during the retool could do a lot of good.

Tanking is stupid. I wish we didn't even discuss that on here. It's embarrassing for the team and it doesn't guarantee anything except YEARS of misery. If we had landed Stamkos, another forward and a defensemen this team could have been a contender. Now we won't be contenders but there are a few moves to be made that can still upgrade various departments and make the team more dynamic. But yeah, let's tank instead and be crap for 5 or 6 years. Grab a couple lottery picks and hope we have enough talent to do something at some point within a decade.

If Darren Helm had hands he would definitely be a 2nd line player. AA absolutely could develop into a 2C - he's only been played half a year - he is going to get better.

I've been saying the Streak is important for a long time. Usually no one listens or responds. Management clearly wants to extend the Streak. Fans need to accept this. They can rail and rant against it, but saying it doesn't matter is silly. It matters and our expectations should adjust accordingly.

He was a top five prospect in many rankings for much of last year. He's exactly what the Red Wings don't have in the pipeline right now. Much more upside with Chychrun than a project like Cholowski. Trading Pavel's contract does nothing for the Red Wings if you don't use the cap space or even worse, spend it poorly now. It was only for one year and the team isn't going anywhere regardless.

I care. I think it's something to be proud of. It's certainly not something that comes easy. It shouldn't be a goal unto itself and I don't think it is. Tanking would be something were I would embarrassed for the team and disappointed in the organization.

This thread is turning into a "is Weber washed up or not thread". I dont think anyone truly believes Weber is a bad player, its just when you are traded for a player of PK's caliber, you are going to be put under a microscope as everyone wants to asses who "won" the trade. Personally I think Nashville won, but not so much based on what hey can both do in 2016, more so the long term implications of this deal. Now with that being said, if what we are hearing is true, PK not being liked in the locker room and creating a divide AND with his no movement clause kicking in July 1st maybe this is the best they could get in return with the short window remaining. Alot of teams are likely unwilling to make a deal with free agency not even starting yet. For me, the killer is Weber contract as the guy has an 8million cap hit until I think 2026. Because of this alone, Nashville wins. Weber is going to be a cap killer for Montreal in 5 years. Subban will likely be a good player for the majority of his contract.

Say goodbye to the bandwagoners then.

Haha right! Two more years until Hanafin is an RFA

Lol talk about overrating a player.

To those who want Okposo: He's looking at a contract of at least 7 million according to sources and there are rumors that with Stamkos gone that could balloon to near 8, as a lot of teams need to answer scoring concerns. He's got a skill set that has been shown to potentially age like milk and wants a massive contract, well beyond his worth. This could be David Clarkson level bad contract before it's over.

Sorry, natural centers.

I'd rather re-up Helm and get Okposo then to sign Nielsen to a long deal to get a center. Nielsen will end up being a terrible contract in 2 years.

Didn't Holland make a quote not so long ago that free agency was not the way to go anymore in this cap era. Teams trade as was evident today, and they don't hold any player like glue considering Subban was just dealt. Norris trophy winner's can be traded but when it comes to Detroit it seems like everyone is untouchable with Holland, and when he finally does have a redwing on the trade block their value has decreased, most often greatly. How many times do I have to preach Duchene yet I hear nothing of trade rumours involving a still high potential center. Would we have to overpay,maybe but I think the players like nyquist, tatar, etc are expandable, and I truly don't think the price is a Larkin either. I know this isn't chel 16 but his quote about not falling on free agency for help and then reversing it with "we gonna spend money" isn't all that comforting. I'm sure Kenny spent all his will to try and have a conversation with Stamkos and then try to sway him to the red and white. I truly believe though for Steve, it was a Tampa or Toronto scenerio all along.

Not surprised at all, called it a while back , couldn't see him leaving sunny Tampa, with less taxes and no media pressure ... Think it'll be good for the wings in the long run that we didn't land him Time to make some deals , go for a trouba/brodin and maybe a hall if were lucky At least the habs made an idiotic move today and I bet price leaves in 2 years so that'll be one less team for detroit to not worry about