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Shattenkirk will want too much money and term and is too old. The goal should be to be a contender in 3 years, not just because playoff team now. Sent from my LGLS676 using Tapatalk

This response pretty much confirms Holland's current 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' status.

Fair enough.

I agree he likely could not be flipped for a 1st right now. Though I do think he could get us a first come trade deadline based on what the market has shown the last couple years.

Maybe Kenny trades for Trouba and picks up Shattenkirk as a UFA , then all of a sudden we look a different team.

Could Holland get a 2017 1st for Green, with little or no $$$ retained on our end? I think it's within the realm of possibility. Calgary, Toronto, Edmonton are potential fits. Should Holland trade Green for a 2017 1st? I'm not so sure. 2018's top 31 is shaping up to be ten times more tantalizing than this year's top 31 and Green might get us a 2018 1st at next year's trade deadline. Also, he's our best defenseman. Indeed, he's the only Red Wings defenseman who's shown that he can keep his head above water in a top-pairing role. If your best defensemen are Danny DeKeyser and Xavier Ouellet, you're shamelessly tanking and very likely hurting your young players' development (across all three positions -- F, D, G).

The advantage of trading for Green in the off-season is you have him all year and maybe don't need to bring in a D at the deadline. You also can move him later of your season takes a crap. The advantage of waiting is you don't pay his salary for most of the year and you know for sure you're going to want to make that trade to set you up for a run. Sent from my LGLS676 using Tapatalk

Tippett, trade up to get Hague.... Perfect draft.

Foote for me.

Hey, whatever it takes to beat the Pens. I don't want them getting any closer to taking over the Wings as last team to win back to back Cups. The Sens can get demolished in the Finals for all I care.

DJI Phantom 4. I'd recommend a DJI over the Karma.

Don't think of it as cheering for the Sens. Think of it as cheering against the Pens.

It's Elias Pettersson's older brother

He still could. He's gotta do something after college. Although I said the same thing about my youngest son and he's still in my basement.