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He's 18 years old. His skating is fine and will improve. His non-goal-scoring game is actually pretty good for someone who's billed as a pure sniper. I said as much pre-draft, scouts said as much pre-draft, Blashill has said as much post-training camp. He's 18 years old. You're trolling and I don't know why I'm taking the bait.

He's currently 18th overall, but 11th in points per game, which is the stat you used. I agree though, I did expect him to dominate more than he has. He's still been better thus far than Rasmussen was at this point last season (not a knock on Ras, just sayin'). Rasmussen made the team out of camp this season, and I don't see any reason why Veleno can't take a similar path next season. Why are you using league stats for Veleno and team stats for Zadina? Veleno is number one on Drummondville in goals, assists, points, shots per game, etc. I said it a few weeks ago, and I'll say it again. I fully expect Veleno to be top 3-5 in most meaningful categories by the end of the season. I'm not disappoint with Zadina. But for those that are, I think it's more so relative to where he was drafted. I didn't expect him to dominate right away. I agree, both will be more than fine. McIsaac is looking really good. I think he has top 4 potential.

I hear ya. I'm hoping he'll start to pick it up a bit here soon. Maybe after gaining some confidence at the WJC. It's very difficult for any 18 year old to make an impact right away in the pros, coming from junior. I'm not worried though. I still think he'll be a very good player for the Red Wings in the near future. You're impression has been that he is NHL-ready? I haven't seen that at all from the few games I've seen... He's shown flashes, but overall I've been pretty underwhelmed after each game I've seen...

Yeah, it's definitely disappointing. I'd seen him play several times and my impression was he was NHL-ready. I'm not worried, though. Great skater, good size, good two-way game, showed well in training camp.

I will say though, as highly touted as Zadina was/is, I'm pretty surprised that he is taking so long to establish his dominance down on GR. Today, I'm a bit disappointed. Fan shock that he didn't make the Wings team after camp is proving to be unfounded. He couldn't play on this team right now without looking highly exposed. Still very, very hopeful. Just thought we'd see some dominance fairly quickly after the hype he was given.

Zadina and Veleno are the same age. It's not like I'm saying Veleno would be ready before Zadina... Veleno looked more ready than Zadina in this year's training camp / pre-season. He'll also likely be as NHL-ready as Rasmussen was this season. Why would you think he's further behind in his development? Just because he was picked 30th overall and not in the top 10? Maybe Veleno will need some time in GR. I didn't say he'd make the jump out of camp (although I think he will), but I definitely think he'll make the Red Wings at some point in the 2019-20 season. There's also a huge difference between a two-way forward that is already reliable in all three zones, and a scoring forward that needs work away from the puck. I think they'll both be NHL-ready by this time next season.

You serious Clark?

Agreed. He's been our starter for 40 years now, so what's another 20?

Sorry, should've been clearer -- I'm talking pre-draft.

No. Because I don't think he's ready. I've watched half a dozen Griffins games this year, and from what I've seen, he needs more time in the minors to work on some things. Hopefully he goes to the WJC and dominates there (again), gets back and starts taking over games in GR. Then maybe if he proves he's ready, he gets a call-up to Detroit around the deadline. What's the rush?

LOL I am sooo in this mode....doing point(draft high) counter point(Be Cinderella) in the mirror is killing me....

18 year old Zadina > 18 year old Tatar

Broberg all day, everyday, everyway, I'm guay, that's ok This team is not finishing in the basement you goddamn *******. The Red Wings are a team of champions... Defeat is not a concept they understand. Our opponents may not expect us to win, but they also do not know our heart.... Red Wings do not surrender. Weakness is not in their creed. We will rip the heart from this leagues chest and leave it bleeding on the ice BECAUSE THEY CANNOT STOP US. I don't understand losing. I don't wanna win in 10 years from now, or 5 years from now, or even a year from now, I wanna win NOW. Let's do this s*** boys. Clap bombs and f*** moms, cycle, snipe, celly boys f***

We're currently playing better than expected, and other teams are worse than expected. I still feel we'll finish several points outta the playoffs, and I'm fine with that since finishing last will only give you a 18.5% chance of winning the lottery, and as I've mentioned in another thread - I'd rather see our guys NOT tank, and NOT develop a losing frame of mind. We're due for some luv - hopefully we'll drop a few spots in the 2019 draft. As for who do I want to see donning a Wings jersey? I honestly don't know these guys well enough to say.

Pittsburgh might be all aboard the tank train. They NEVER do that, right?

They tanked for Mario. They tanked for Crosby. Why would we expect anything different from them if they think they need their next generational talent?

iM LIke OnE meME AwaY FrOm LOsiNg mY JUniOr MoD PoSiTIOn, SORry

I think the Pearson trade was a good one for the Pens. I'd still like to hear Kenny kicking the tires on Sprong...

Rutherford is desperate. Take advantage of him, Kenny.

https://www.nhl.com/redwings/news/taking-flight-from-q-to-the-d/c-302003232

And my take wasn't hot?

Does anyone know when the law takes effect? Get ready. Here in Washington we've had legal weed for a few years and it's chaos. Hundreds of people overdose on marijuana on a daily basis and murder their entire families. Just yesterday I smoked a marijuana cigarette and decided to run naked thru the streets brandishing a weapon... luckily a nice homeless man gave me some relaxing hard liquor to calm me from my murderous naked rage. Also the taco bell drive thru is always around the corner. Sux. Move while you still have the chance.

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