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  1. 4 points
    ComradeWasabi

    Nathan Horton

    I would trade Flip and a first for Horton, just saying.
  2. 3 points
    Drake_Marcus

    Good news for the Euro haters

    Passports have nothing to do with hockey talent or toughness. I don't really care where players come from as long as they play well for the Wings.
  3. 2 points
    Please no. While to idea of suspending a player for the length of the injury sustained is a good one, it wouldn't work well in practice. There are too many other factors like did his head also hit the ice, is the injury only to the head area, did the player expose his head at the last moment, etc. Also, many injuries from hits are a result of the person getting hit not being in the correct position to be hit. Therefore, injuries are often a result of both parties, whether or not the hit was dirty.
  4. 2 points
    Questions: 1) How many fans had "Arnott" jerseys made during his first stint in New Jersey and hung onto them? 2) How many of those fans are trying to figure out how to get rid of the smell of moth balls from them?
  5. 2 points
    Hockey God

    Is it time to trade Cleary?

    this guys an idoit
  6. 2 points
    Echolalia

    Good news for the Euro haters

    I just want the best players in the world on NHL ice. If that means they're all NA or all South American, or Euros or some combination, then so be it; all I care about is talent.
  7. 2 points
    Stasiuk

    Wings pre-season schedule

    I just want to see the wings be the first team to score a goal in pittsburgh's new arena and for somebody to throw an octopus on the ice.
  8. 2 points
    I put it in quotation marks and added an additional subject line... from every marketing class I've ever taken, I thought the purpose of a title was to be attention grabbing, while the content has the information? I'd be quite alright with Fraser being promoted to Assistant in Detroit, and Chelios taking a job in GR (whether it be head or asst. down there) and as I said in another reply - I'm also in the camp that I want McCrimmon gone one way or another, and although I think all coaches should work their way up so to speak, I think Chelios will eventually be a coach in this league anyway and I would have no problem with this move...
  9. 1 point
    I don't know why owners buy teams if they aren't willing to spend money on them. Do they expect fans to buy tickets when they trade away good players from their playoff team and leave tons of cap space unused? Would be really tough to be a fan on a team that isn't even trying to win.
  10. 1 point
    henrik40

    Is it time to trade Cleary?

    I know this is a discussion board, and I'm sure this has been said many times, but for christ's sake blueadams, STOP WITH THE LINE THREADS. I was hoping this thread was an actual discussion about whether or not to trade Cleary and next thing I know I'm reading more proposed lines by you. I don't mind debating lines a couple times in the offseason and several during the season, but every other week overboard.
  11. 1 point
    Zetts

    Is it time to trade Cleary?

    Not to be "that guy" who nitpicks...but does anyone else appreciate the humor of these two comments?
  12. 1 point
    The defense last season was in fact an pretty big upgrade from 2008/2009. Although I think how poor the defense was in 08/09 was a bit overlooked because of how good the offense was. 2006/2007 - 199 GA 2007/2008 - 184 GA 2008/2009 - 244 GA 2009/2010 - 216 GA It's hard to jump back from 244 GA to 184 GA, but it looks like they're hopefully moving back towards better defense. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
  13. 1 point
    Somebody should clock Bettman to the head.
  14. 1 point
    Marty Barry

    Good news for the Euro haters

    Party at Cherry's house!!! (BYOB, of course)
  15. 1 point
    f*** me. You know full well Im talking about cheapshots yet you go ahead and be a complete **** anyway like im going on about normal physical contact? Not sure how much longer I can cope with this site.
  16. 1 point
    What? Removing the instigator isn't about "respect" its about "touch one of our guys and your gonna have your head punched into the ice." Also, the last part of that made zero sense.
  17. 1 point
    I never said I want more fighting just to have more fighting.I think guys won't run around throwing cheap shots AS MUCH if the instigator rule was removed.Were there little agitators before the instigator rule?of course.Were there hits from behind and many other forms of cheap hits before the instigator rule?of course.Its a part of the game.Cheap shots will never be totally eliminated,obviously.I sure as hell don't think removing the instigator will COMPLETELY prevent cheapshots.No.Nothing will totally eliminate dirty hits.Removing the instigator seems best to me because if a new head shot rule is put in,the NHL is gonna come to the point to where a guys head is tapped on the glass after a hit,everyone will be calling for disciplinary action.The inconsistencies with disciplinary action in this league is frightening.
  18. 1 point
    NeverForgetMac25

    Bertuzzi Signs 2 Year Deal

    While one could make the argument that Bert's playoff numbers were inflated by Franzen's beastly game, the same could be said going the other way, for most players, on every team. Why is it that we can rip certain players for "how" they got their points, but not others. The bottom line is the puck ended up in the back of the net, and plenty of players from top to bottom have been beneficiaries of what some would consider padded numbers. Hell, look at how many EN goals Z gets. I don't know why you keep saying no one has an answer for you regarding the questions you posed because I responded to quite a few of them, as have others. Bert's played the minutes he has because of the overwhelming injury bug that hit Detroit this season. Couple that with the fact that those guys were playing with half the Grand Rapids roster and its reason enough as to why everyone's numbers were down this season. Next year the Wings will have Bert in his second full season and much more familiar with their system. He's proven he can stay healthy and his confidence should be higher than it has been in years. He'll be playing a more balanced role on the team and is going to be able to put the puck in the net both on the second or third line given the roster stays healthy. For his *ability* and all the aforementioned there's no reason Bert can't duplicate and improve on last season and that would make his $1.9375 million cap hit beyond worth it in comparison to other players around the league making the same. Again, Nystrom can still be had for the bottom 6 if Kenny truly believes he'll benefit this club. I tend to agree that the Wings would benefit from the Drake-type player Kenny promised us but I'm not about to throw Bert under the bus, as if seemingly blaming him for now not having the room to add one of those types. It's not about being supportive, rather its about being realistic. I'm most certainly not playing the role of "Rawh-Rawh Red Wings" but I do see the merit in bringing in a player of Bert's talent for the price they got him for. There's plenty of members here on LGW that simply don't have a grasp of reality, what a player actually costs, or the difference between making deals in the real NHL and those on NHL2010. Sidenote: I've enjoyed our debate/discussion.
  19. 1 point
    I think it has more to do with the fact that you specify 'gritty North American' as opposed to simply 'gritty'. It suggests that if there were two equally gritty players, one being Euro and the other NA, you would prefer the NA, based solely on nationality. Your stereotyping of Euros also lends to that. If you're going to make generalizations, you have to live with the consequences. In this case, it means people assuming you have an anti-Euro bias. And there is a world of difference in those two statements. The second implies the slang form of 'hater', rather than literal 'hate'. And McIlrath will never be Pronger. Not even close. He'd be lucky if he could get close to Chara level.
  20. 1 point
    Guest

    Is it time to trade Cleary?

    put eaves or miller on the 1st or 2nd line and they'll score close to as many goals as cleary, and for 500k, imo.
  21. 1 point
    NeverForgetMac25

    Is it time to trade Cleary?

    Does anyone else have the craziest sense of Deja vu? I swear I read this exact thread with the same first 3-4 posts a couple weeks ago. Not a joke....seriously asking?
  22. 1 point
    The good thing about Cleary is he's extremely versatile. He can play on the top line, bottom line, PP, PK, against the opposition's top players, in the last minute of a close game. You mention Plekanec blueadams, but he's one of the top players available (just short of Kovalchuk and Marleau) in a very shallow free agent pool. Some team will overpay for him. And actually I don't know that there are many 70 point guys out there making around $4M after they go through free agency anyways.
  23. 1 point
    Carman

    Is it time to trade Cleary?

    At least 10-15 more goals? Also the ability to play top 6 minutes.
  24. 1 point
    LeftWinger

    Good news for the Euro haters

    Hmmmm, lets see I joined in August 2003 and have over 3200 posts, you just joined last March and have 56 posts, now I am not calling you a troll just because you just joined, but my stats alone say that I am not a troll here, there may be a lot of folks who don't agree with my opinions, which I think is great, what kind of forum would this be if everyone held hands and sang koom-by-ya together? We love difference of opinions here, that is what makes this place so great! And if you read my post, I said I would like to see more gritty North American players, that is not saying I am against European players, Fedorov is my all time favorite player, but just because some of us don't like the players like Hudler, we are haters. I do not call the folks who prefer hudler style players North American haters, do I? Also, there is a difference between saying "You hate European's" and "You're a Euro-Hater?" Uh.... is your real name John Kerry?
  25. 1 point
    syntax

    Good news for the Euro haters

    I copied the 'Euro' nickname right off the IIHF report. I don't care if you're a card carrying KKK member, I posted the information for the board for people that are interested. Please put me on ignore and do not respond to my posts, and I'll do the same for you.
  26. 1 point
    Original-Six

    Good news for the Euro haters

    ummm....aren't Swedes European?
  27. 1 point
    Maybe he would teach some of those young kids some dirty little secrets
  28. 1 point
    Joseph Franks

    Toews on NHL 11?

    Toews, fine. Two years in a row a BH on the cover? ***. Kane ever getting it in the first place? Retarded.
  29. 1 point
    Thanks Matt, looks great!
  30. 1 point
    Hahaha. It was 3 games where he carried us on offense, even in those Jimmy was just as important or more in getting the wins. His 'slow parts' accounted for around 60 or so games. Regardless of value, 18 goals in a full season is not what you want out of your top 6.
  31. 1 point
    Guest

    The argument for not bringing back Bertuzzi

    if bertuzzi comes back...we have two line options: 1: Filppula-Datsyuk-Holmstrom Franzen-Zetterberg-Bertuzzi Hudler-Helm-Cleary Miller/FA-Abdelkader-Eaves ...i think that keeping hudler in that third line, with two players that have no hands, is a huge waste of his talent. 2: Hudler-Datsyuk-Holmstrom Franzen-Zetterberg-Bertuzzi Abdelkader-Filppula-Cleary Miller/FA-Helm-Eaves ...now we've got filppula on that third line, again, with two players that have no hands, and again, imo, that's a huge waste of talent. if we replace bertuzzi with someone that can be productive on a third line (aka...can play defense, create a little for himself), then this team looks a lot better: Filppula-Datsyuk-Holmstrom Hudler-Zetterberg-Franzen ???-Helm-Cleary Miller/FA-Abdelkader-Eaves
  32. 1 point
    Bertuzzi had a stretch of 8 games in which he did well. That's it! IMHO, that is not enough. You could make the argument for about 7 other forwards who had hot stretches and helped the team. You could make a better argument for HOWIE! If it wasn't for Howie the Wings would no doubt not have made the playoffs. Maybe without Bertuzzi the Wings play the Hawks in the first round, avoid the long travel, oust the Hawks and move on. You could do these would've, could've, should've's all day long. The fact is that Bertuzzi is getting older and slower. Draper was given a contract when we thought he was worth it.... and now we wish he never got that last contract. You don't give an old fart with history of health problems a two year deal at his age. Plus the Wings will have to deal with his legal distractions that have been reinstated click here. This is something the Wings don't need.
  33. 1 point
    Guest

    The argument for not bringing back Bertuzzi

    Here's the problem with Bertuzzi. Like Holmstrom, he's productive when he's surrounded by great players on a top line (hank, pav, mule, flip, huds, etc.). But, also like Holmstrom, he's plain worthless on a third or fourth line. He's not talented enough to create scoring opportunities for himself. He's a liability defensively. He can't skate. He won't hit. Etc. Etc. Etc. So, if we bring Bertuzzi back, like Homer, he MUST play on a top two line. That means one of these three talented players - Mule, Flip or Huds - will waste away on the third line with Cleary and Helm/Abby. Filppula-Datsyuk-Holmstrom Franzen-Zetterberg-Bertuzzi Hudler-Helm-Cleary Miller/*???*-Abdelkader-Eaves Draper (Ritola) ...am I the only one who doesn't want to see Flip, Mule, or Huds waste away on that third line??
  34. 1 point
    I recall a third line of Hudler-Filppula-Samuelsson in the 2008 SCF. Granted, we will never be able to get that kind of depth again but I think the addition of Hudler adds more balance to the Red Wings. The problem in the playoffs was our bottom two lines stunk. Two energy lines doesn't cut it, even when the top six forwards carried the team like they did. We need a third line next season that is an offensive threat. Whether that means going with Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Filppula each centering their own line or Helm developing more of a scoring touch, something has to happen if the Red Wings want to contend for a championship next season. I think Bertuzzi will be back with the Red Wings, but in doing so they almost have to play him with Datsyuk or Zetterberg to make the signing worthwhile. A healthy and productive Cleary will go a long way to bolstering some offense on the third line.
  35. 1 point
    How much time does it take to issue a memorandum saying hits to the head are banned, and anyone found in violation of that will be suspended without pay for however long the person they hit is out of commission? The person you hit is out for the year? So are you.
  36. 1 point
    * Star players are exempt of course. esteef
  37. 0 points
    Guest

    Another Preds trade: Arnott to NJ

    Anyone else think the Preds may be making cap room for Kovalchuck?
  38. 0 points
    Guest

    bryan little offer sheet...

    In before "NOT IF WE TRADE CLEARY/ROFLASKI" Kid sure has some talent though.
  39. 0 points
    SweWings

    Good news for the Euro haters

    Another completely pointless thread that will bring out the best in people on this board.
  40. 0 points
    I think Chelios, having played more recently, has a great perception as to how the game is played today. McCrimmon is a good hockey guy but I do sometimes question his ability. Chelios behind the bench would be great.
  41. -1 points
    Hossa4Life

    Toews on NHL 11?

    Hossa should be be on NHL 11. This pro all star carried his team through the playoffs and won the cup he deserves. This should also earn him a spot on the cover.
  42. -1 points
    I dont get all the Bert hate. The guy pretty much ran the team when EVERYONE was injured. He plays decent defense, impossible to know off the puck, and likes to bang bodies every now and again. I love the guy and hope to god he stays, and id be happy if it were for another 2 years. I dont think another "cleary type player" will do much. Cleary was pretty invisible all year last year. I like him, but he didnt play like we are used to seeing him play. the only thing that cleary does better than bert is speed in my opinion. I say keep Bert and try and get the best bang for whatever buck we have left. I'd love to see afinogenov here, but i dont think we wil have enough to get him, so try and fill the third or fourth line with a cheap free agent somewhere. Keep miller and eaves too in my opinion.
  43. -1 points
    The 3rd line in 08 really started going when Babs swapped Sammy and Cleary against Dallas. God that was a great line and so random I really hope Bertuzzi comes back, he was starting to get comfurtable on a scoring line again and then we got eliminated. If you watched him this year, he isnt lazy anymore, he actually skates. He tries to hard defensively now that he will never go out of his way for a big hit which pisses me off, but some of you are hypocrites. "Oh Bert cant play D, he doesnt hit" Actually because of trying harder to backcheck and play D he lays off the hits. I would love for some of the nasty he had against the Sharks and Jovo in the Phoenix series would come out a little more often, but beggers cant be choosers.
  44. -1 points
    blues_demitra38

    Bertuzzi Signs 2 Year Deal

    Almost 4 million/yr? Is this for real? Frolov, Whitney or Kariya could have been signed for that amount or close to it. Uncharacteristically bad signing by Holland.
  45. -1 points
    magicaldatsyuk

    Halak traded to Blues

    i see this as a win for the blues..
  46. -1 points
    Guest

    Is it time to trade Cleary?

    10-15 more goals if he's playing top 6 minutes, sure...but what is it about him as a player that actually seperates him from eaves/miller?
  47. -1 points
    Haven't seen Cleary stand around the net nearly as much as he used to before he took a puck to his eye/cheek. (Which was also a season or two ago which he was out of the wings lineup for a while) whoever says he only got injured this year and he usually plays most games was wrong.
  48. -1 points
  49. -2 points
    Guest

    Is it time to trade Cleary?

    ...if you like those lines...how about loving these? Plekanec-Datsyuk-Holmstrom Franzen-Zetterberg-Bertuzzi Hudler-Filppula-Abdelkader Miller-Helm-Eaves Draper (Ritola)
  50. -2 points
    Guest

    Nathan Horton

    Going to make a thread for every rumor you hear on the radio?