Learn2LuvIt

The process sucks

Agreed.  I also believe that Holland thought that the Grand Rapids talent pool was a lot deeper and more NHL caliber than the actual reality. 

Great effort last night.  What stood out to me most was they were quick and "moving their feet" (Babs wording).  Didn't see many guys get caught standing still and we were quick and crisp in gaining the zone.  Also loved Abby's reference after the game of his thoughts on the victory; "we started on time"...LOL another famous Babs line.

Keep in mind this “source” also “reported” that Drew Miller was 100% being brought back.
i actually wouldn’t mind it if someone like E or Kronwall were moved. Him and DD played great together on the second pairing. 

Hope not unless Ericsson is going bye bye.

He's actively trying to sell. Had an agreement with someone this summer, but apparently the guy couldn't raise the money.
I think someone's going to buy them, move them west, then shortly after we'll get a QC expansion.

Valid statement.  However, as typical, follow the money and the relationships.  I see the Canes being relocated being a tough battle for the NHL/Bettman.  Karmanos (who owns the Canes) has pretty deep hockey ties to the NHL/Bettman.  Phoenix on the other hand, I much more could see happening.  Their primary ownership is a hedge fund manager and doesn't have the history or relationship pull as Karmanos does.  Just as Bettman finally gave in to Mr. I and putting us in the Eastern Conference due to Mr. I's status as an owner, commitment to his product, AND being a good sport in letting his team taking a beating in terms of traveling all over the West Coast for years.  Not to mention the TV revenue that was lost as many sponsors didn't want to buy ad packages with the Wings due to the fact that many of their games started at 9-10 PM local time, and didn't end till after midnight.  The reasoning was that the Wings were always a HUGE draw on the West coast and sold TONS of tickets across West coast arena's for regular season games.  I firmly believe factors and scenarios like this figure into the discussions and decisions in the back rooms of the NHL executive offices.

ha ha...was that two minute soliloquy after the ridiculously stupid, unneeded, horrible timed penalty in the 3rd that lead to the Avs starting their comeback to win the game? Funny, cause our radio team just spent some time last Wed on pregame to the Flames game saying the exact opposite. 
Anyway, I Totally agree with you.  Someone in this organization likes him to the point of being blind.  Reminds me of the Jason Williams/Brett Lebda organizational love.
Why I am bringing this up now as juklitz posed...good question.  I just can't take it anymore!!!  I swear under my breathe whenever I see him on the ice.  But now, I think we now have some legitimate, viable, "net-net" gain options with some of our younger guys to sit him or trade him..something!!  He's literally driving my insane with rage. 

I think it will be between Martin and Draper when Holland moves up or out. In saying that, I think it would be a poor decision to hire anyone within the organization to become the next GM. This team needs a new look, new approach, and that starts from the top. I think the best thing for this team would be to go outside the organization to find Holland's replacement. Who? I have no idea...

1.  Steve Ott is hands down most popular player on the Wings
2.  Jimmy Howard is traded, and has a lot of "not so nice" things to say about Detroit
3.  One of our bench assistance coaches won't be here by March

Totally agree with this.  I think since most of us (or some) follow the team so closely we often get bias toward our prospects real comparative NHL caliber talent and real street value.  I mean we watch some of these guys when they're in Traverse City at one of our camps and their like 18 years old.  We see/hear/read some positive flashes from these guys and the next thing you know...they're the next up -and-coming Wings superstar.  The NHL now pulls the top players from around the world and no longer a Canadian/USA majority league...Their are only 690 players that can say at any given time that they are on an NHL team.  You may have flashes at Traverse City, you may even play in GR...but the chances are slim that your talented enough to play in the NHL.

Totally agree with this.  I think since most of us (or some) follow the team so closely we often get bias toward our prospects real comparative NHL caliber talent and real street value.  I mean we watch some of these guys when they're in Traverse City at one of our camps and their like 18 years old.  We see/hear/read some positive flashes from these guys and the next thing you know...they're the next up -and-coming Wings superstar.  The NHL now pulls the top players from around the world and no longer a Canadian/USA majority league...Their are only 690 players that can say at any given time that they are on an NHL team.  You may have flashes at Traverse City, you may even play in GR...but the chances are slim that your talented enough to play in the NHL.

Kindl was moved at the deadline to a team that really needed a defenseman.  Apples and oranges.
And do you REALLY believe that Holland is lying, and that he didn't try to trade them?  I've been as anti-Holland as anyone, I can't believe that. m The fact is Pulk and Frk have limited upside and virtually no value, but because they were Red Wings prospects, fans view them as better than similar players in other organizations.  It's like a mom with an ugly baby who doesn't realize it's an ugly baby, because it's HER baby.

He's being very realistic about the situation/problem he created. Wow...what a luxury that must be.
I'm going to go tell our CEO that I'm going to be average...maybe above average (we'll see...fingers crossed!) in today's meeting with our major client.... because I got wasted last night and didn't get home until 4 am. I'm sure he'll appreciate me being realistic and calling a spade a spade.

He's being very realistic about the situation/problem he created. Wow...what a luxury that must be.
I'm going to go tell our CEO that I'm going to be average...maybe above average (we'll see...fingers crossed!) in today's meeting with our major client.... because I got wasted last night and didn't get home until 4 am. I'm sure he'll appreciate me being realistic and calling a spade a spade.

AA is untouchable.

That's sports in 2016. It will only get worse with increased sponsorship involvement (e.g. sponsor logos on jerseys, etc.). I guess i don't really care. If this helps our ownership continue to remain financially solid and able to provide this team with all the financial backing/resources needed to continue to run one of the best organizations in all of sports....then I'm okay with it. I do like the above suggestion of just calling it the Caesars Center though.

because he tries to sound like Mike Babcock when he talks

Terrible and sad news. Yeah, he's pretty much a ...planet Earth legend as well.
Someone queue up "Baby, I'm A Star" for all of the young Wings pregame. See if that gets anything going. For any of the younger LGW peeps who weren't around when Prince was in his prime...move on...You might not get it...it's music with artists who play musical instruments.
Let's do this tonight Wings...come back home and take it "game by game"!!

WIN IT FOR PRINCE
I went to his concert last year at the Fox theater. Was totally blown away. My friends and I woke up the next morning and all we could remember was a vague purple fog. We got Prince'd.

IF....IF....we lose on Friday, I'd say it's time to give all of the young guys that we played at times during the regular season but now are refusing the play them, a shot. Significant minutes. Give Tampa a different look, give the young guys a chance to turn this around, and most importantly, get them some playoff experience which will be valuable down the road.
I'm thinking we'll win on Friday, but IF we lose it's time to start getting long term value out of this series. I realize we'd be coming back to home ice, only down 0-2, "lots of hockey left", "it takes 4 games to win a series"', "anything can happen", etc... Although much stranger things have happened, I just don't see this team (the team that was on the ice last night) pulling out of a 0-2 hole to go on and win this series.
I hope like hell we win, but being realistic.

IF....IF....we lose on Friday, I'd say it's time to give all of the young guys that we played at times during the regular season but now are refusing the play them, a shot. Significant minutes. Give Tampa a different look, give the young guys a chance to turn this around, and most importantly, get them some playoff experience which will be valuable down the road.
I'm thinking we'll win on Friday, but IF we lose it's time to start getting long term value out of this series. I realize we'd be coming back to home ice, only down 0-2, "lots of hockey left", "it takes 4 games to win a series"', "anything can happen", etc... Although much stranger things have happened, I just don't see this team (the team that was on the ice last night) pulling out of a 0-2 hole to go on and win this series.
I hope like hell we win, but being realistic.

IF....IF....we lose on Friday, I'd say it's time to give all of the young guys that we played at times during the regular season but now are refusing the play them, a shot. Significant minutes. Give Tampa a different look, give the young guys a chance to turn this around, and most importantly, get them some playoff experience which will be valuable down the road.
I'm thinking we'll win on Friday, but IF we lose it's time to start getting long term value out of this series. I realize we'd be coming back to home ice, only down 0-2, "lots of hockey left", "it takes 4 games to win a series"', "anything can happen", etc... Although much stranger things have happened, I just don't see this team (the team that was on the ice last night) pulling out of a 0-2 hole to go on and win this series.
I hope like hell we win, but being realistic.

Our defense doesn't have an identity. They're not good offensively or defensively. They don't move the puck well. Even if we traded Kronwall for Suter tomorrow, we'd still have 5 other defenseman who are suspect at times.

Do yourself a favor while in Grand Rapids area....remain (or become) a fan of awesome beer and breweries, and you'll be in heaven. Ohhh my are they spoiled in that regard.