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#41 Shaman

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 02:18 PM

Let all UFAs go except MacDonald (don't want to let Eaves go, but no room for him unless Mursak or Homer are healthy scratches. Rock the second line with Fleischmann and Vrbata, trade Hudler for a pick. Sign Wisneiwski and Bieksa. Still have 2.8 million for extra forward/defense and trades or people thinking my cap hits are too low.

FORWARDS
Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Tomas Fleischmann ($3.700m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Radim Vrbata ($3.000m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)
Cory Emmerton ($0.533m)

DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / James Wisniewski ($5.000m)
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / Kevin Bieksa ($3.750m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Joey MacDonald ($0.550m)

CAP PAYROLL: $61,217,044
CAP SPACE: $2,782,956

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Are you high or just slow? Letting Eaves walk would be a horrible move no matter how you cut it. Also if Bieksa takes less than 4 million to come to the wings ill sing your praises on youtube as the great prophet of our time. I just can't see him taking less than 4.5 million. Also those won't be the lines, if the wings get that deep on skilled wingers, Flip will be the third line center, Z will be second line.

Edited by Shaman464, 20 June 2011 - 02:20 PM.

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#42 Z and D for the C

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 02:28 PM

Are you high or just slow? Letting Eaves walk would be a horrible move no matter how you cut it.


Okay, then get rid of Mursak or Homer. Are yous saying you'd rather have Eaves instead of Fleischmann or Vrbata? I love Eaves, but these isn't any room for him if you sign Fleischmann and Vrbata. Of course this is just what I want, not what I think will happen.

Also if Bieksa takes less than 4 million to come to the wings ill sing your praises on youtube as the great prophet of our time. I just can't see him taking less than 4.5 million.


Maybe I low balled him a little bit, but going by stats (because I don't know about him that well enough to go on anything else), he hasn't been progressing that much. Maybe he is due for a raise though. But even if he does sign at $4.5 million, I have more than enough cap room to afford it.

Also those won't be the lines, if the wings get that deep on skilled wingers, Flip will be the third line center, Z will be second line.


Well, I disagree. But the lines can always be changed.

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 02:39 PM

I have absolutely zero interest in Fleischmann. (And I hope the Wings feel the same way)

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 02:41 PM

Are you high or just slow? Letting Eaves walk would be a horrible move no matter how you cut it. Also if Bieksa takes less than 4 million to come to the wings ill sing your praises on youtube as the great prophet of our time. I just can't see him taking less than 4.5 million. Also those won't be the lines, if the wings get that deep on skilled wingers, Flip will be the third line center, Z will be second line.

I think keeping Eaves and giving Bieksa market value is possible...

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Tomas Fleischmann ($3.500m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)
Johan Franzen ($3.954m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Radim Vrbata ($3.000m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.000m)
Drew Miller ($0.750m) / / Jan Mursak ($0.550m)

DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.500m)
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / James Wisniewski ($4.800m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Doug Janik ($0.512m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Evgeni Nabokov ($0.570m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,316,211; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $683,789

My only problem is that I don't want to sign 2 FA d-men to long term, overpriced contracts. I don't want to be stuck next year with 2 overpriced players and be forced to give Kronwall a raise, and then have to go out and overpay for a Lidstrom replacement.

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 02:50 PM

I think keeping Eaves and giving Bieksa market value is possible...

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Tomas Fleischmann ($3.500m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)
Johan Franzen ($3.954m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Radim Vrbata ($3.000m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.000m)
Drew Miller ($0.750m) / / Jan Mursak ($0.550m)

DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.500m)
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / James Wisniewski ($4.800m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Doug Janik ($0.512m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Evgeni Nabokov ($0.570m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,316,211; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $683,789

My only problem is that I don't want to sign 2 FA d-men to long term, overpriced contracts. I don't want to be stuck next year with 2 overpriced players and be forced to give Kronwall a raise, and then have to go out and overpay for a Lidstrom replacement.

This is a lot more realistic number-wise, but still a pipe dream. I would love this team, it has a good combination of youth and vets, and I think it has the parts needed for a long playoff run, but again I won't hold my breath.
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Posted 20 June 2011 - 02:52 PM

I just figured that the brass wouldn't want Mursak to be a healthy scratch.

but again I won't hold my breath.


Neither will I. But I so want to. :(

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 03:03 PM

I just figured that the brass wouldn't want Mursak to be a healthy scratch.



Neither will I. But I so want to. :(

I do too, it all depends on what other teams do and who Holland targets for his defensive replacements. If he throws a lot of money that way the Forward lines will be close to last year, if he can get some good contracts, I can see him adding up front as well.

Edited by Shaman464, 20 June 2011 - 03:04 PM.

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 06:17 PM

Okay, then get rid of Mursak or Homer. Are yous saying you'd rather have Eaves instead of Fleischmann or Vrbata? I love Eaves, but these isn't any room for him if you sign Fleischmann and Vrbata. Of course this is just what I want, not what I think will happen.


Fleischmann has had repeated issues with blood clots; he only played half of last season as a result of one such episode. His effectiveness for next season is in doubt as a result. Vrbata has had success with only one team (barring his 2001-2002 season with an all-star team in Colorado), and that's Phoenix; his tenures in both Chicago and Tampa were horrid and I think he's too much of a risk as a result.

Eaves is an effective PKer who can score 10 or more goals per season. More, he's a hard worker and a consummate team player.

Maybe I low balled him a little bit, but going by stats (because I don't know about him that well enough to go on anything else), he hasn't been progressing that much. Maybe he is due for a raise though. But even if he does sign at $4.5 million, I have more than enough cap room to afford it.


Prices on high-range players inflate every season, and this season's UFA crop is weaker than average.

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 06:56 PM

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Nikolai Zherdev ($2.250m)
Johan Franzen ($3.954m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Jussi Jokinen ($2.600m)
Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Patrick Eaves ($0.900m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m)

DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m)
Joni Pitkanen ($4.000m) / James Wisniewski ($4.000m)
Brad Stuart ($3.750m) / Steve Montador ($1.800m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Ty Conklin ($0.900m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
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SALARY CAP: $64,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,667,044; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $2,332,956

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 07:26 PM

Well kenny said he wants to be aggressive and signa defenseman or 2 as well as we've heard possibly a top 6 forward.

With that in mind I'm thinking of adding some size in the top 6 that can grind it out now that Homer and Bert are becoming ineffective.

I'm looking at Laich first and foremost. Plays a well rounded game, can put up 50 points, can be physical and has size as well. The other forward that catches my eye is Erik Cole. He can put up 50 points, hits like crazy, can put up 50 points and would probably be behind only Helm and mursak speed wise. Adding speed to the top 6 would help tremendously I think as well as having that great forechecing presence that can still put up points. Cole is 6'3 and plays like it as well. He seems like he would be a bit cheapre then Laich because he is older but he is still only 31.

Upshall also adds a young, more physical presence as a potential top 6 winger if he can stay healthy. These are my REALISTIC wants that add what Detroit need. What does Tanguay provide that Detroit needs?


Defense is where things get a little fishy.

Wiz is the obvious choice. PP guy, right handed, tough big hitter from Detroit. Adding him would help a lot.

Than maybe adding a Pitkanen or bieksa is still possible or a real top end shut down guy like Brewer or Hannan could be had. They dont provide offense but a really solid defensive guy has been missing in Detroit for a long time outside of Lids.

Ian White could be something to look at as well. Just a well rounded guy to play as a number 5 replacement of Ericcson

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 08:28 PM

I don't feel Zherdev is defensively responsible enough to play here. He is far too inconsistent offensively. If I remember correctly, there was a stretch where he was a healthy scratch for the Flyers this past season. He scored 22 points in 56 games last season. I don't feel he'd be a good investment, especially for his price tag.

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 08:45 PM

I don't feel Zherdev is defensively responsible enough to play here. He is far too inconsistent offensively. If I remember correctly, there was a stretch where he was a healthy scratch for the Flyers this past season. He scored 22 points in 56 games last season. I don't feel he'd be a good investment, especially for his price tag.


He was playing 3rd and 4th line minutes last year.

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 08:46 PM

Wiz
Montador
McCormick
project like zherdev or wolski
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Posted 20 June 2011 - 09:43 PM

Cody McCormick
Brooks Laich(Unlikely, I know)
James Wisniewski
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Edited by Bring Back The Bruise Bros, 20 June 2011 - 09:44 PM.

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 09:53 PM

FORWARDS
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)
Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Brooks Laich ($3.500m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.000m)
Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m)

DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / James Wisniewski ($4.750m)
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Jan Hejda ($3.000m) / Anton Babchuk ($2.500m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Brian Boucher ($0.950m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,792,044; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $207,956

Bieksa and a cheap vet or Janik in place of Hejda and Babchuk could work too, and probably gives a better opportunity to Kindl. I'm just not completely sold on the idea of Kindl as a regular. Honestly, I kind of hope we trade him. Not that I hate him or anything, I just don't want to keep him stuck as a 7 but I don't want to depend on him as a 6 either. With my guys, Babchuk takes Stuart's spot for the 2nd PP unit; Hejda comes in for Wis for the 2nd PK unit. All 6 guys would get close to 20 minutes.

I'm not in love with the forwards. I don't think any of the available FAs fit all that great with what we have. Cole, Upshall, Fiddler, and Jokinen would be other OK options, but nothing I'd get excited over. Laich I think would fit better next year assuming we part ways with Bert and Homer. I wouldn't even mind bringing back Miller in place of Laich if we had to pay more for the defense. Or even trade Emmerton and put Miller in his spot, then take a gamble on Zherdev or Jagr if they came cheap ($2M or less).

Moving Hudler is maybe an option, but I still don't like any of the forwards all that much. There's some 4th liners I like; Hall, McCormick, Winchester, Dwyer... Maybe sign a couple of those guys, then try to somehow weasel a true top 6 scorer out of a Hudler, Emmerton, Kindl, + picks package. Maybe add Flip in there and move Bert or Cleary up. But in that scenario the only option that would fit for me would be Carter. Trades are too tricky to think about...

Edited by Buppy, 20 June 2011 - 11:14 PM.


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Posted 20 June 2011 - 10:04 PM

FORWARDS
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)
Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Brooks Laich ($3.500m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.000m)
Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m)

DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / James Wisniewski ($4.750m)
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Jan Hejda ($3.000m) / Anton Babchuk ($2.500m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Brian Boucher ($0.950m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
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SALARY CAP: $64,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,792,044; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $207,956

Bieksa and a cheap vet or Janik in place of Hejda and Montador could work too, and probably gives a better opportunity to Kindl. I'm just not completely sold on the idea of Kindl as a regular. Honestly, I kind of hope we trade him. Not that I hate him or anything, I just don't want to keep him stuck as a 7 but I don't want to depend on him as a 6 either. With my guys, Babchuk takes Stuart's spot for the 2nd PP unit; Hejda comes in for Wis for the 2nd PK unit. All 6 guys would get close to 20 minutes.

I'm not in love with the forwards. I don't think any of the available FAs fit all that great with what we have. Cole, Upshall, Fiddler, and Jokinen would be other OK options, but nothing I'd get excited over. Laich I think would fit better next year assuming we part ways with Bert and Homer. I wouldn't even mind bringing back Miller in place of Laich if we had to pay more for the defense. Or even trade Emmerton and put Miller in his spot, then take a gamble on Zherdev or Jagr if they came cheap ($2M or less).

Moving Hudler is maybe an option, but I still don't like any of the forwards all that much. There's some 4th liners I like; Hall, McCormick, Winchester, Dwyer... Maybe sign a couple of those guys, then try to somehow weasel a true top 6 scorer out of a Hudler, Emmerton, Kindl, + picks package. Maybe add Flip in there and move Bert or Cleary up. But in that scenario the only option that would fit for me would be Carter. Trades are too tricky to think about...

Maybe 15 years ago Jagr would be okay with me. I'm not a fan of the idea of Zherdev, either. I think Scottie Upshall is a decent option. I'm not sure if he wants to stay in Columbus or not. As much as i'd like Laich (lol) here, there are too many teams that have tons of money to toss around for us to compete, in my opinion. I wouldn' be surprised if he went to Edmonton, he's got family in that area. The more I look at it, the more it seems Hudler may be dealt, especially with teams struggling to make the cap and looking for any hope of offense, they will be getting desperate. I like the idea of signing a 4th liner or two. If Matt Hendricks is available, we should definitely go after him. Extremely underrated. As far as defense goes, I'd like to see us let Salei go in favor of a younger, more physical guy like Matt Greene. James Wisniewski is my choice to replace Rafalski. Hopefully Ericsson bolts for more money elsewhere, and we can get a guy who plays physical on a regular basis and is less of a turnover machine.
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Posted 20 June 2011 - 10:09 PM

Brooks Laich


With the cap going up I'd say it's not so unrealistic now, the Wings just have to be willing to pay fair value.
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Posted 20 June 2011 - 10:21 PM

I don't feel Zherdev is defensively responsible enough to play here. He is far too inconsistent offensively. If I remember correctly, there was a stretch where he was a healthy scratch for the Flyers this past season. He scored 22 points in 56 games last season. I don't feel he'd be a good investment, especially for his price tag.


He's also a giant ******, which is the chief reason Holland will never sign him.

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 10:54 PM

The team needs cap space for call-ups.

Cap space is for sissies.

I'm pining for Wiz, Brewer, Laich and Jagr.
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Posted 20 June 2011 - 11:43 PM

For the last time, Holland WILL not sign Zherdev. Sure he can score 20+ goals, but he has a history of having a piss-poor attitude, taking games off, and his defense is lacking, to say the least.

That's three strikes against him right there. Three primary factors Holland will look for and he lacks them.

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