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Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

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I'd give DK $4.25-4.5m AAV for 6 years.

There, that was easy wasn't it?

The most important re-signing this offseason (save for the UFA disaster) should have been long done but thanks to some ridiculous overpaying it's now dragging on and on with training camp almost around the corner. What a great job... Danny may not have much options now but he sure as hell will have once his RFA days are behind him and him and his agent will remember the RFA negotiations so Holland better not blow this. Would make this off-season perfect the only highlights are the re-signing of Tatar and the return of the Monster. Give Danny 4,5 for 5 years and be done with it.

I must agree with both of you guys...However as other have pointed out - Holland has a smidgen over $5 million in cap space left, and if there's any intent on bringing back Alfie - well it's hard to say who gets what.

Once again - re-signing Cleary, and giving Quincey a raise were both questionable.

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I must agree with both of you guys...However as other have pointed out - Holland has a smidgen over $5 million in cap space left, and if there's any intent on bringing back Alfie - well it's hard to say who gets what.

Once again - re-signing Cleary, and giving Quincey a raise were both questionable.

Questionable? It was god DMAN terrible but remember holland walks on water and does no wrong.

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Questionable? It was god DMAN terrible but remember holland walks on water and does no wrong.

He not only walks on water, he turns into Championships and calls the brew Franzen

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The most important re-signing this offseason (save for the UFA disaster) should have been long done but thanks to some ridiculous overpaying it's now dragging on and on with training camp almost around the corner. What a great job... Danny may not have much options now but he sure as hell will have once his RFA days are behind him and him and his agent will remember the RFA negotiations so Holland better not blow this. Would make this off-season perfect the only highlights are the re-signing of Tatar and the return of the Monster. Give Danny 4,5 for 5 years and be done with it.

Wow! Talk about an over-reaction lol. Maybe if training cap starts and DD is not signed this point would have merit, but at this point nobody knows what is going on behind closed doors.

Maybe DD hasn't decided if he wants to sign a bridge, or a 7 year deal. Maybe Holland is waiting to see if Alfie plays. Maybe Holland is thinking of offering a 7 year deal, but is thinking it over. Maybe there is a trade in the works, and yes maybe Holland is paying hardball. But at this point its all just speculation on our parts. Signing a RFA in July, or September is the same thing. Reacting as if Holland is ruining the future with DD is just guesswork.,NOTHING has come out to indicate there is any bad blood brewing. You want to see a player upset with a GM, look at the Blue Jackets with RJ, Montreal with Subban, that stuff always seems to get out.

I'm sure I'll be told that i'm "simply wearing rose coloured glasses", but all I am saying is people are jumping the gun. Lets wait and see what happens.

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I'm a little concerned about this. I wonder if DDs agent is playing hardball because of the Wings weakass defense.

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Scrolling back through this thread makes me chuckle. How funny would it be if Dekeyser was the one who played hardball and not Tatar. Ya know, after a lot of folks made Tatar out to be some ego maniac who was just biding his time before holding the team over the coals.

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I still think it's fine.. With Alfie saying he'll decide before camp, it gives me more confidence in the dk signing getting done. I fully expect that if Alfie signs, since we'll have less space, Dk will get a bridge deal. If Alfie doesn't, I think we'll lock Dekeyser up long term.

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Wow! Talk about an over-reaction lol. Maybe if training cap starts and DD is not signed this point would have merit, but at this point nobody knows what is going on behind closed doors.

Yeah and that's why I'm starting to get worried.

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Yeah and that's why I'm starting to get worried.

Yup.

If it were so easy - the master GM Holland would've signed DD some time ago.

Not wanting to take on the role of 'Chicken Little', but lets be honest...DD is one of our better Dmen, and I'm sure he, and his agent know this as well...Looking at what Ericsson, and Quincey are getting - I'm thinking DD feels he's worth as much, and I'm sure Holland doesn't think so.

This has the potential of getting 'ugly'.

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Yip if you pay 4.25 for someone who was on waivers and then exist a much better defender to take less that's not gonna fly. DD knows it and so does his agent

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oh, but Danny should take less because Q and E have more seniority than he does. Oh, and its Detroit and he is a hometown kid, he should be honored to play here....blah, blah. Danny deserves more than Q because he is better.


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While I do not love the Quincey signing, and I am NOT defending it. People need to realize that a UFA does command much more then an RFA. Especially when the RFA has not even yet played 82 games. (I am not saying Quincey is better or more valuable then DD, I am just saying that in hockey its all about what a player commands given his status)

Also, I don't think the Quincey deal has anything to do with DD not being signed yet. If Holland didn't sign Quincey, he probably would have gone out and signed or traded for another veteran D, If we landed Niskanen, Boyle, Erhoff etc. nothing today would be any different, if anything the cap situation would be even tighter. I think they are just waiting to see whats going on with Alfie to see how they can structure DD's contract......either way, lets just wait and see.

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While I do not love the Quincey signing, and I am NOT defending it. People need to realize that a UFA does command much more then an RFA. Especially when the RFA has not even yet played 82 games. (I am not saying Quincey is better or more valuable then DD, I am just saying that in hockey its all about what a player commands given his status)

Also, I don't think the Quincey deal has anything to do with DD not being signed yet. If Holland didn't sign Quincey, he probably would have gone out and signed or traded for another veteran D, If we landed Niskanen, Boyle, Erhoff etc. nothing today would be any different, if anything the cap situation would be even tighter. I think they are just waiting to see whats going on with Alfie to see how they can structure DD's contract......either way, lets just wait and see.

Jake Gardiner ? 5 years 20,2 million

Justin Schultz ? 3,675 million for 1 year

and I think Danny is at least on par with both of these guys, both were RFAs. Fact is no matter how people are going to slice the deal it was a bad one and will hurt the team going forward but it's not something that one of the new core players should have to suffer from. Players are for sure looking around the league/own team and compare themselves to other player so yeah Danny for sure is in the 4 million + range as a defender, also a Michigan boy he is important for the team identification too so even in a loyality standpoint he has some value.

But whatever I just hope it gets done and he doesn't miss training camp

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Jake Gardiner ? 5 years 20,2 million

Justin Schultz ? 3,675 million for 1 year

and I think Danny is at least on par with both of these guys, both were RFAs. Fact is no matter how people are going to slice the deal it was a bad one and will hurt the team going forward but it's not something that one of the new core players should have to suffer from. Players are for sure looking around the league/own team and compare themselves to other player so yeah Danny for sure is in the 4 million + range as a defender, also a Michigan boy he is important for the team identification too so even in a loyality standpoint he has some value.

But whatever I just hope it gets done and he doesn't miss training camp

I don't watch these guys play often, so I'm by no means an expert regarding these two players. But from what I know they both are better then Quincey, and they both are being paid less then him. Kind of my point that UFA's are paid more the RFA's.

Gardiner has 3 full NHL seasons under his belt, Schultz has two. DD hasn't even played 82 games yet. This indicates to me that DD will get something like 3 years at 10-12 million or 1 year 3.5 million. Less per year, but maybe more term then Schultz since Holland really seems to love this kid, while Edmonton is a mess. Something that the Wings should easily be able to do cap wise despite Quincey.

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Quincey isn't the issue for cap space anyway, Cleary is. After he gets his 10 games in, and you know he will, they'll be having a guy who shouldn't be in the NHL taking up $2.5 mil in cap space. Quincey might be overpaid for what he brings, although the market dictated that was the going rate, but at least he's going to be a regular.

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Does anyone think that DeKeyser isn't signed yet because they still don't know the status of Alfredsson? Signing one, or both of them could dictate the amount and length of the deal. If Alfredsson signs for 1 year, they could tell DeKeyser to take a 1 year 2 million deal and then sign long term but if Alfredsson retires then they could offer 5 years at 3.5 per or something along those terms.

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^^ yes.

I still think it's fine.. With Alfie saying he'll decide before camp, it gives me more confidence in the dk signing getting done. I fully expect that if Alfie signs, since we'll have less space, Dk will get a bridge deal. If Alfie doesn't, I think we'll lock Dekeyser up long term.

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Dekeyser will be locked up long term, just depends on when; Wings Brass basically know he is the 2nd best d man on the team behind Kronwall, if not the best, and due to the teams current situation with lack of stability at D, they cannot afford to let him walk.

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Dekeyser will be locked up long term, just depends on when; Wings Brass basically know is is the 2nd best d man on the team behind Kronwall, if not the best, and due to the teams current situation with lack of stability at D, they cannot afford to let him walk.

Definitely not better than kronwall, and it's up for debate if he's even Ericsson level quite yet. But he's definitely going to be a top pair guy soon.

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Definitely not better than kronwall, and it's up for debate if he's even Ericsson level quite yet. But he's definitely going to be a top pair guy soon.

dd's evolution is up in the air...this year will be more of a indication of what to expect going forward.

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Definitely not better than kronwall, and it's up for debate if he's even Ericsson level quite yet. But he's definitely going to be a top pair guy soon.

I am not going to argue semantics and how DD has played, but he is very good and if he grows more as player, he will give Kronwall a run in comparison. Edited by Rivalred
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I am not going to argue semantics and how DD has played, but he is very good and if he grows more as player, he will give Kronwall a run in comparison.

That's exactly what I was saying. Glad were on the same page, it's still too soon to say he is top 2 on our team. This year as has been pointed out already will give us a much better look at what he can do.

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