Nightfall 871 Report post Posted September 4, 2015 Cleary would provide some great leadership for the kids down in Grand Rapids. I really do hope he finds himself down there playing 3rd line minutes, and educating the kids obviously. I really am not concerned with this contract. The entire salary can be buried in the AHL. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted September 4, 2015 Nobody wants this, but I've thought about it in light of that Glencross article/discussion. If this was part of a verbal agreement then I'm glad we kept it. It keeps the reputation of the organization high and shows our young players that we're loyal and we'll pay them back if they take some discounts to help out the team. Also, the reputation always matters to UFAs. We've had a couple of disgruntled employees jump come to us (Alfie) or choose us (Modano). And I think both Green and Tootoo came in part due to Helm's positive reports. And Cleary will probably just end up playing in GR which could be good to ensure some quality guidance since Blashill's gone (don't know the new coach). I'm glad were loyal, but this whole handshake agreement thing is getting very close to a CBA violation.It makes me a bit nervous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrazekFanBoy 223 Report post Posted September 4, 2015 We have a great coach in the AHL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted September 4, 2015 Cleary would provide some great leadership for the kids down in Grand Rapids. I really do hope he finds himself down there playing 3rd line minutes, and educating the kids obviously. I really am not concerned with this contract. The entire salary can be buried in the AHL. Leadership is great and all, but they've already got Hoggan, Grant and Paetsch. Miele, Lashoff and Tangradi are all experienced players in their mid-to-late 20's. I'm not sure what Cleary does in GR, outside of making things more difficult for guys like Tvrdon and Nastasiuk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacksoni 418 Report post Posted September 4, 2015 If I'm not mistaken the deal off the table per 2013 included Cleary being on the roster for the Red Wings. Looks like he might be on the third line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted September 4, 2015 Cleary's gonna go down, learn the AHL game, then take over coaching the Griffins. The Blashill route. He'll be coaching the Wings in like 3 years Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted September 5, 2015 I do find it humorous the Wings released this at 5 PM on Friday of Labor Day weekend. They obviously were well aware of the reaction it would garner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylee 727 Report post Posted September 5, 2015 Cleary's gonna go down, learn the AHL game, then take over coaching the Griffins. The Blashill route. He'll be coaching owner of the Wings in like 3 years Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hey man nice shot! 144 Report post Posted September 5, 2015 Well...wb i guess, Just hoping all the free agents the next few years are watching this move. They will get a idea what lengths our GM will go to keep this a "players organization". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jedi 1,865 Report post Posted September 5, 2015 Everything old is old again. 1 haroldsnepsts reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaps80 1,591 Report post Posted September 5, 2015 Jokes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted September 5, 2015 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted September 5, 2015 1 number9 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,763 Report post Posted September 5, 2015 Loyalty...this all but guarantees that KFQ will be back...oh happy days! Doesn't Holland realize that #redwingfansmatter? How does this signing in any way effect you? I dont see how Holland signing him, means he is showing any type of disrespect towards the fans. Its basically a minor league contract, we are not going to lose anybody because of it, the money will not count towards the cap. 3 Nightfall, DatsyukianDekes and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mvanpop 98 Report post Posted September 5, 2015 I'm just curious what Illitch thinks of ask this. A lot of his money is being given to a guy for essentially nothing in on over production Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted September 5, 2015 Wait He's making more than some of our players that did more work last season. Lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,763 Report post Posted September 5, 2015 I'm just curious what Illitch thinks of ask this. A lot of his money is being given to a guy for essentially nothing in on over production Illitch seems to be a very loyal guy, I wouldn't be surprised if he spearheaded this. Wings have always been loyal to their players, and as a result their players have always been loyal back (ie. Lidstrom, Datsyuk, Zetterberg) all signing deals below market value. To contrast that, next time Calgary asks a guy to sign for a discount, i'm sure after reading the Glenncross article, that player may think twice. 1 LasVegasRocks reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted September 5, 2015 As expected and really I don't see a problem with this. At best he will be an emergency call up from the Grand Rapids and while being there he can show some younger guys (Mantha, Larkin) the way and since the 950k aren't counting against the cap it doesn't really matter. Personally I'm in favor of everything that helps prepare Larkin, Mantha better for the big club in a few years if that includes signing a veteran with a great work ethic so be it. 7 PavelValerievichDatsyuk, kliq, Nightfall and 4 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted September 5, 2015 There's hardly a chance he plays this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted September 5, 2015 (edited) There's hardly a chance he plays this year. Do you think he'll sit in grand rapids?Like be down there strictly to be a player/practice coach. Like hes just doing it to recoup some of the money he lost on the deal he supposedly turned down. Edited September 5, 2015 by jimmyemeryhunter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightfall 871 Report post Posted September 5, 2015 As expected and really I don't see a problem with this. At best he will be an emergency call up from the Grand Rapids and while being there he can show some younger guys (Mantha, Larkin) the way and since the 950k aren't counting against the cap it doesn't really matter. Personally I'm in favor of everything that helps prepare Larkin, Mantha better for the big club in a few years if that includes signing a veteran with a great work ethic so be it. I can't believe I am agreeing with frankgrimes, but I am. I think this is the 4th time in LGW forum history for this, so it isn't the first time. The organization has shown loyalty to Cleary. The cap hit isn't going to hurt the team. They are in essence paying him out of their own pockets to be an emergency call up. Who cares if they let him into training camp and give him preseason minutes. Who cares if he ends up in the AHL. In fact, no one should care that they signed him to this deal. If anything, other players will see this as loyalty that is being rewarded after all these years and want to come play here. Hell, if I am at the end of my career, and my workplace decides to keep me around out of loyalty even when my most productive years are behind me, I would be very grateful. 5 derblaueClaus, krsmith17, frankgrimes and 2 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted September 5, 2015 I respect the loyalty thing and what makes this organization classy but Clearly needs to sit back and think real hard on the entire picture and loyalty goes both ways and he needs to know when to slow down and step to the side which is best for him in some manners and the team If he is ok with playing in Grand Rapids collecting money, help develop the kids, is not taking a spot away from a kid who has an actual chance and ice time, and won't ever stop foot back at the Joe as an NHL calibre player, then I am ok with this. Yes, he may of left money on the table somewhere else and the Wings are trying to do right by him within reason, which I speculate that is why maybe it has taken this long for him to get a contract as DRW needed to see how everything fell more or less. Clears is looking out for himself financially here is the way it comes across to me and yes he has a right to do that, but at what expense for the team Eh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted September 5, 2015 I'm just curious what Illitch thinks of ask this. A lot of his money is being given to a guy for essentially nothing in on over production 900K is nothing compared to some of the sunken contracts with the Tigers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted September 5, 2015 900K is nothing compared to some of the sunken contracts with the Tigers. Yes but how many more goes do baseball players play instead of the Wings? More games and etc to recoup money and I am treading on this lightly as this can be off topic very easily and I am not going to be the one to derail this thread Keep your stick on the ice I say and your hands where I can see them Hoping Clears will be behind the bench in a development fashion or coaching in some aspect in the future if it works out to be like that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Playmaker Report post Posted September 5, 2015 I guess that's how jaded we've all become when we shrug at almost a million dollar a year contract as a drop in the bucket for a guy who clearly cannot play as no big deal. When those in the Franzen thread who say a player will know when to call it quits, see Dan Cleary as Exhibit A. I have zero problem with loyalty. They could easily be loyal to him as they have many others and give him some cushy front office, scouting or coaching job. While it may not be a cap issue now with Cleary what happens a few years down the road with another player who expects the same loyalty? Are they letting Franzen try to play because of that? Treating people with respect is one thing, but at the end of the day, it's a business. Is Ilitch this loyal to the kids schlepping his crappy pizza for minimum wage? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
