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Andreas Athanasiou Officially Signed 2 yrs. $3M AAV

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49 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

No. Z, ZZ, Mantha, Larkin, Nyquist, Z2, Rass, and Nielsen all deserve to be in the top 6 over him. He's a 3rd line winger now and until he decides to play the game right, there are guys on this team who are at least equal to or better than AA offensively who deserve it more.

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I know who Z is, and I know you're referring to Zadina as well, but you list Z, ZZ and Z2. Who is Who?

AA i s better than a deserves to be in top 6 over Nyquist. 

Nyquist-Nielsen-Vanek is a great line in the 3rd slot.

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47 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

No. Z, ZZ, Mantha, Larkin, Nyquist, Z2, Rass, and Nielsen all deserve to be in the top 6 over him. He's a 3rd line winger now and until he decides to play the game right, there are guys on this team who are at least equal to or better than AA offensively who deserve it more.

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Already taken?    Okay.  Fine.  BBVD suck anyway.  

I'm a Voodoo Glow Skull aka Skeletor.  (Certainly more apropos than "Biggie Large" given my actual stature.)

8+43=51.  MIND BLOWN.

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6 hours ago, Dabura said:

Helm and Abby will never be healthy-scratched, but I'm starting to wonder if Glendening isn't as safe as we assume he is.

Anyone could be a healthy scratch if the team thought there were better options. That said, Helm and Abby are likely considered around the middle of the forward group rather than near the bottom like most fans would wish. Ras, Zadina, or any other prospects aren't going to jump them sight unseen, no matter what fans think. 

Glendening is on the brink. Someone needs to step up to take the 4th primary PK spot, or the 5th if we go with Abby, but that isn't so hard to imagine. The prospects we have now are not the Mursaks, Jurcos, and Pulkkinens of the past. Ras is known as a two-way player, and Zadina is said to have a decent defensive game. Bertuzzi was a two-way player and PKer at lower levels. AA, despite his flaws and all the negative opinions, spent time at center and on the PK last year. He could be a solid PKer, not necessarily via his defense but rather with his counter-attack abilities. 

Barring a trade, it's probably more likely that a kid, Zadina or whoever, will need to wait for an injury, but Glendening could easily fall out of the top-12 this season.

2 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

I know who Z is, and I know you're referring to Zadina as well, but you list Z, ZZ and Z2. Who is Who?

AA i s better than a deserves to be in top 6 over Nyquist. 

Nyquist-Nielsen-Vanek is a great line in the 3rd slot.

Took me a minute too, but ZZ=Two Z='Tuzzi

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6 minutes ago, Buppy said:

Anyone could be a healthy scratch if the team thought there were better options. That said, Helm and Abby are likely considered around the middle of the forward group rather than near the bottom like most fans would wish. Ras, Zadina, or any other prospects aren't going to jump them sight unseen, no matter what fans think.

I could actually see Helm being traded this season or next. Abby is and will "always" be safe, regardless of how much talent we have in the forward group. I'm not complaining, just saying.

Two things working in Glendening's favor: he's considered a role model for the younger kids and he's a right-handed faceoff specialist. I think he's on the brink of falling out of the top 12 (think there's also a not-entirely-remote chance that he's traded this season), but I'm not holding my breath.

I don't mind Glendening as a fourth-liner. Just for the record.

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2 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

I know who Z is, and I know you're referring to Zadina as well, but you list Z, ZZ and Z2. Who is Who?

AA i s better than a deserves to be in top 6 over Nyquist. 

Nyquist-Nielsen-Vanek is a great line in the 3rd slot.

Z = Zetterberg, Z2 = Zadina, ZZ = Bertuzzi

https://www.nhl.com/player/andreas-athanasiou-8476960

https://www.nhl.com/player/gustav-nyquist-8474679?season=20172018

AA who is a purely offensive player averaged .46 point per game and was a -15 +/-

Nyquist (who doesn't cheat like AA) averaged .48 points per game and was a -2 +/- He also has a better shooting % than AA despite having a lot fewer breakaways.

So between the 2, I would choose to keep Nyquist over AA, hands down. He is just a better player.

2 hours ago, e_prime said:

Already taken?    Okay.  Fine.  BBVD suck anyway.  

I'm a Voodoo Glow Skull aka Skeletor.  (Certainly more apropos than "Biggie Large" given my actual stature.)

8+43=51.  MIND BLOWN.

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I took math in college.

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26 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Z = Zetterberg, Z2 = Zadina, ZZ = Bertuzzi

https://www.nhl.com/player/andreas-athanasiou-8476960

https://www.nhl.com/player/gustav-nyquist-8474679?season=20172018

AA who is a purely offensive player averaged .46 point per game and was a -15 +/-

Nyquist (who doesn't cheat like AA) averaged .48 points per game and was a -2 +/- He also has a better shooting % than AA despite having a lot fewer breakaways.

So between the 2, I would choose to keep Nyquist over AA, hands down. He is just a better player.

I took math in college.

Nyquist is junk, bro.  Zetterberg protects him is all.

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1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

 

I took math in college.

Ooooooh.   Look at youuuu.  Fan-cy coll-ege boi.  :lol:

I'm seriously kidding.  Not trying to be a dick... however naturally that might come for me.

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23 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

Ya, again, only dominated 1 four game series.

First two full years of Franzen...36 points. 22 goals.

First two full years of AA...62 points. 34 goals. Give AA linemates like prime Z and Dats, we will see if he can score 30 goals...which Franzen has only done once btw.

Anyway, nobody said he was Franzen, but he can take over a game with his explosiveness.

Btw, when you're wining 5-0 and barely hold on to win 5-4, that 5th goal is hardly a game winning goal.

That was his best series sure, but he dominated the playoffs 3 years in a row as the stats show.

So AA can take over games with his explosiveness? Really? Why hasn't he done so?  16 goals and 33 pts last year... You know who else got 16 goals and 33 pts last year? Frans Nielsen. And no, I wouldn't call him someone who takes over games either.

23 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

I would take a healthy Franzen over a healthy AA 7 days a week and twice on Tuesday. AA stands for Apolo Anton (Ohno). Just because he's fast doesn't make him a good hockey player.

Thought ppl would have learned that fact after Darren Helm. Breakaways are great and all, but a lot of the rest of his game is lacking. Which is not surprising, we've been warned about it since his junior days.

19 hours ago, 13dangledangle said:

               2007, 2008 & 2009 Franzens playoff performance was amazing, he scored 31 goals in 51 games  He was one of the best playoff performers of any team in any recent years...However in his career he had 187 goals in 602 games, so riddle me why you guys are so focused of his 3 good playoff appearances?  AA has one playoff under his belt and it was 1 goal in 5 games played and I hope he gets to play in more soooooon.

                AA has most certainly taken over at certain parts of games, his speed and skill lead to many tie ups as well as games winners.  He could be quiet all game then score the tying goal at the end of the period and the game winner 6 seconds into overtime.  

                I not once compared anything to franzens playoff performances because-as his stats point out were pretty fluky to how he performed overall.  My point was comparing skillsets-Franzens was great hands, great shot and big size as AA doesn't have great size but makes up for it with his great speed, and also has great hands and a great shot.  This was my only comparison and I believe it  is more important during our transition then the likes of Helm, Abby or Glendening.   That was my point.

 

187 goals in 602 games is REALLY good for an NHL player.

AA hasn't had much of a chance to see the playoffs yet, and maybe he can kick it on in the playoffs like Franzen could in his heyday, but I seriously doubt it. The only other guy I can remember who could turn it up in the playoffs like Franzen could was Danny Briere. It's what made Briere and Franzen rare/special players.

Athanasiou literally had only 2 game-winning goals last season. If you have stats on game-tying goals please share.

I can't think of many offensively minded players more different than AA and Franzen... AA can dangle you out of your pants, Franzen couldn't dangle at all. Franzen would actually win board battles, AA loses them left and right. AA is one of the fastest skaters in the league, Franzen was an average to below average skater at best. Franzen would play in front of the net, AA hardly does. Franzen was very underrated defensively, AA cheats on defense all the time.

Literally the only thing they have in common is being Red Wings and having a decent wrister. Otherwise they're completely different players.

19 hours ago, 13dangledangle said:

So Datsyuk isn't as good as Franzen?      

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"A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent."

Until AA gets a chance at the playoffs lets keep it real.  In skill level they are 100% comparable, both skilled players one difference being size which the other makes up in speed.  AA and Franzen are waaaaayyyyyy more comparable to Dats and Mule.   That's a can a worms I don't even want to have trolled into

 

12 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

I don't see how Athanasiou and Franzen are remotely similar in their style of game. Athanasiou is one of the fastest skaters in the league, has great hands, and a decent shot. Franzen was an average skater, decent hands for a big man, great net-front guy, and a lethal shot. Not very similar at all. In saying that, I don't think it's really fair to compare them at all. Franzen was streaky (most goal scorers are) but when he was on, he was one of, if not the most dominant players in the entire league. Athanasiou can break a game open with his lethal speed, but he hasn't yet been able to dominate a single game, let alone a stretch of games.

I believe AA does have the potential to get there. He has all the skill in the world, it's just a matter of putting it all together, and putting in the work to get there. People seem to forget that he's just 23 years old (24 to start this season). Franzen didn't play his first NHL game until he was 26! Let's see where Athanasiou is in a couple years once he matures a little as a player, and (hopefully) develops more of a two-way game.

Yes, and I don't see why this is hard to understand.

9 hours ago, Dabura said:

I want to see AA win more board battles and get better at holding the puck under pressure. Way too easily separated from the puck.

I'd also like to see him take a cue from Larkin and really work on his playmaking. Less "I'ma cheat high and you hit me with a stretch pass," more forechecking and cycling and give-and-going. Do something other than trying to get a breakaway or trying to deke around a defender in a one-on-one situation (never works for him).

I do think there's something to the argument that playing him on the wing encourages laziness and bad habits in his game. I'd be down with giving him a long look at center. It'd have to be on the fourth line, though.

Everyone is so enthralled by his break-aways, we forget that the rest of his game is severely lacking, and he certainly isn't putting up the offensive numbers to prop up those shortcomings. This notion that he is somehow a game-changer/put-the-team-on-my-back kinda player is laughable.

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8 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

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Everyone is so enthralled by his break-aways, we forget that the rest of his game is severely lacking, and he certainly isn't putting up the offensive numbers to prop up those shortcomings. This notion that he is somehow a game-changer/put-the-team-on-my-back kinda player is laughable.

For a guy calling someone else out for strawman-ing, you're reading an awful lot into the (para)phrase 'AA can turn it on and steal a game'. 

Funny that all this recent, and mostly unwarranted, negativity toward AA has become a comparison to Franzen of all people. 

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1 hour ago, Buppy said:

For a guy calling someone else out for strawman-ing, you're reading an awful lot into the (para)phrase 'AA can turn it on and steal a game'. 

Funny that all this recent, and mostly unwarranted, negativity toward AA has become a comparison to Franzen of all people. 

AA is the new whipping boy.  Gets all the tough minutes and s*** linemates, yet people expect 60 pts a year.  If he centers Vanek and Zadina this year,  he will rip it up.

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2 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Literally the only thing they have in common is being Red Wings and having a decent wrister. Otherwise they're completely different players.

Yes, and I don't see why this is hard to understand.

Everyone is so enthralled by his break-aways, we forget that the rest of his game is severely lacking, and he certainly isn't putting up the offensive numbers to prop up those shortcomings. This notion that he is somehow a game-changer/put-the-team-on-my-back kinda player is laughable.

 

I agree with what you're saying, and I obviously didn't explain my thoughts correctly.  I didn't mean to imply their game was alike at all, they play different styles completely and have different pros and cons to their game.  What I was comparing was that in my mind AA 100% has the ability to become that secondary scoring force like Franzen was.  Franzen said many times he liked that with Detroit he wasn't the main guy and didn't have that pressure to be the guy (off point but AA looks like the kind of guy that would love to be the guy) behind Zetterberg & Datsyuk making his job a little easier in his mind.  As for AA I think he can be the guy behind Larkin, Mantha and hopefully Zadina putting up quality numbers and at times providing us with a great spectacle along the way.  His ceiling is higher then most, but how hard is he willing to work for it?  Ive always liked his game and am happy hes sticking around.  I just hope he puts the work in to reach the plateau some can see in him

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2 hours ago, Buppy said:

For a guy calling someone else out for strawman-ing, you're reading an awful lot into the (para)phrase 'AA can turn it on and steal a game'

Funny that all this recent, and mostly unwarranted, negativity toward AA has become a comparison to Franzen of all people. 

I stand by that, but I definitely didn't explain my thought of why enough.  It was an under thought out late night brain fart.  I do still stand by it though.

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The good news about the AA-Franzen comparison: Franzen was wholly unremarkable for his first two NHL seasons (2005-06 and 2006-07).

Actually, even his 2007-08 regular season wasn't anything terribly special (27 goals, 38 points).

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2 hours ago, Dabura said:

The good news about the AA-Franzen comparison: Franzen was wholly unremarkable for his first two NHL seasons (2005-06 and 2006-07).

Actually, even his 2007-08 regular season wasn't anything terribly special (27 goals, 38 points).

Makes me wonder what Larkin, and Mantha will get $$$ ?

I can see Larkin sign on until he's UFA eligible ($5 to $5.5 million per season), and Mantha anywhere from 2 to 5 years at a bit less than Larkin.

It's gonna be an interesting summer for sure...

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43 minutes ago, F.Michael said:

Makes me wonder what Larkin, and Mantha will get $$$ ?

I can see Larkin sign on until he's UFA eligible ($5 to $5.5 million per season), and Mantha anywhere from 2 to 5 years at a bit less than Larkin.

It's gonna be an interesting summer for sure...

I'll quote myself because I think this will be similar to what happens:

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we have $6.1M left, add in Franzen's $3.9M and that is $10M

Ras - $894k

Zadina  $925k

Mantha $4M

Larkin $5M

Frk minus $1M (waived)

Witkowski will be both the 14th FWD and 7th D. Barring any new (or old) injuries or trades.

If everyone is healthy, and there are no trades I feel the roster would look like this:

Zetterberg, Larkin, Nyquist, AA, Mantha, Vanek, Nielsen, Abby, Helm, Glenny, Bertuzzi, Zadina, Rasmussen. (Witko as #14)

Dekeyser, Green, Jensen, Ericsson, Kronwall, Daley (Witko as #7)

There is just no room for a 23rd player under the cap. Unless Larkin and Mantha surprise us and take a combined $1M to $1.5M less, which would allow Frk to stay.

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11 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

AA is the new whipping boy.  Gets all the tough minutes and s*** linemates, yet people expect 60 pts a year.  If he centers Vanek and Zadina this year,  he will rip it up.

Maybe we wait until AA shows some real work ethic before having him play center in this league?

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14 hours ago, Buppy said:

For a guy calling someone else out for strawman-ing, you're reading an awful lot into the (para)phrase 'AA can turn it on and steal a game'. 

Funny that all this recent, and mostly unwarranted, negativity toward AA has become a comparison to Franzen of all people. 

Lol sure

12 hours ago, 13dangledangle said:

 

I agree with what you're saying, and I obviously didn't explain my thoughts correctly.  I didn't mean to imply their game was alike at all, they play different styles completely and have different pros and cons to their game.  What I was comparing was that in my mind AA 100% has the ability to become that secondary scoring force like Franzen was.  Franzen said many times he liked that with Detroit he wasn't the main guy and didn't have that pressure to be the guy (off point but AA looks like the kind of guy that would love to be the guy) behind Zetterberg & Datsyuk making his job a little easier in his mind.  As for AA I think he can be the guy behind Larkin, Mantha and hopefully Zadina putting up quality numbers and at times providing us with a great spectacle along the way.  His ceiling is higher then most, but how hard is he willing to work for it?  Ive always liked his game and am happy hes sticking around.  I just hope he puts the work in to reach the plateau some can see in him

 

12 hours ago, 13dangledangle said:

I stand by that, but I definitely didn't explain my thought of why enough.  It was an under thought out late night brain fart.  I do still stand by it though.

 

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2 hours ago, marcaractac said:

Maybe we wait until AA shows some real work ethic before having him play center in this league?

Double Edge.   Gotta play him to motivate him.  Can't tell him to p.k. 5 minutes a night and play with Glendening and Booth for his other 10 minutes while expecting a point a game production level.  Give him 5 mins on the pk, 5 minutes on the pp, and 10 minutes with Vanek and Larkin, I guarantee you he gets between 60-80 pts.

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6 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Double Edge.   Gotta play him to motivate him.  Can't tell him to p.k. 5 minutes a night and play with Glendening and Booth for his other 10 minutes while expecting a point a game production level.  Give him 5 mins on the pk, 5 minutes on the pp, and 10 minutes with Vanek and Larkin, I guarantee you he gets between 60-80 pts.

He'll get top minutes when he gives top effort. If it needs to be handed to him to be motivated, then trade him. That simple. 

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26 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

He'll get top minutes when he gives top effort. If it needs to be handed to him to be motivated, then trade him. That simple. 

You aren't giving top effort at your job, so why be hypocritical of AA?

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15 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

So, if he's not traded, I don't want to see any of these haters cheering for him when he lights the lamp. You've made your beds.

Exactly.  I'm keeping score with these knuckleheads.

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6 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Lol sure

 

 

Im not really sure why you quoted both of those posts, they say the same thing in both.  That I didn't explain myself enough BUT I still believe in my first thought that AA can be a game changer.  You're very much taking my words and conjuring up your own little fun park with them, hopefully its been fun for you. 

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