I agree giving Cleary 3 yrs @ 3 per would be a boneheaded move.... hoping that is not actually going to happen.
Maybe - just maybe Holland sees Cleary as a positive influence in the dressing room - especially with the young guys coming up from GR?
Cleary was a 1st rounder with the Hawks - was then bounced around the league until his career was resurrected courtesy of Ken Holland...Maybe having Cleary around is more for a locker room presence than anything else?
So...Let me get this straight...We got 2 guys...When healthy - one is actually pretty useful, and we're getting rid of him, and the other when healthy is...Well...We're gonna keep him.....Makes sense
I think using a buyout on Carlo is a waste. IMHO, he was one of our top 4 defensemen in the playoffs, and is paid less than at least one guy who he outplayed (Quincy). I think he could and would crack our lineup even with DeKeyser back. Now, we are relying on Smith to step it up and Quincy to play to his potential every night vs. having a guy that came in and played rock solid in our back pocket. And we're doing this why? To keep Samuelsson?? WTF???
I don't have too much of a problem with the Cleary deal, though I wish it was more like 2 years at 2M or 2.5M. I know a lot of people want a star player in his place, but I'd argue that he brings some of the things to the table that we need: he'll go to the net, he plays tougher than his size and he gives 100% every time out on the ice. He's like Rudy - I wish I could put his heart into Franzen's body.
I don't have too much of a problem with keeping Bert too. If he's hurt, we can IR him and maybe get someone else (IR doesn't count against cap?). While if he's truly healthy, he can bring some size, grit, toughness and scoring.
Not to sound harsh.....Cleary - Bertuzzi - Samuelsson should not be Red Wings at the start of the 2013/2014 NHL season.
I can't believe how gaga everybody is going over Bickell and Clarkson. Half this forum goes into an uproar about Franzen, his contract, and how he hasn't played up to the level he was signed at. And now we're going to pay more for Bickell or Clarkson, who have a shorter period of goal scoring success? Horton is the only one with a track record for goal scoring, and he's going to make a fortune.
Does the difference between wanting a guy and not wanting a guy really boil down being able to punch people once in a while?
Well - punching people may come in handy now that we're in the Eastern Conference.....However I do agree with your view overall.....For all we know - Bickell/Clarkson could be versions of Eric Cole; tending to play well for 1 franchise, and not many other.
These 2 guys could very well be like Marty Lapointe; sign big, and then disappoint for the remainder of the contract.....We don't want, nor need that.
One poster brings up replacing Tootoo and the East and everyone goes off the deep end.
No one is talking about reshaping the roster or our style of play. It's just that Tootoo is the most aggressive player we have and losing him would create a hole. It helps to have players like that throughout your roster and especially in the bottom 6 to wear down your opponent. We have little to none.
It's not about enforcers, it's about guys that can crash and bang and still play a normal shift without being a liability.
It's not about the East, it's about being a difficult team to play against both with and without the puck.
I'd much rather keep Tootoo over Emerton, Bertuzzi, or Sammuelsson.
This will be Babcock's fate if we lose tonight. And then by Monday we will have Torts as our new coach. Babcock you better have your **** together tonight. I don't want that man as the next head coach.
I assume you are joking?
Gotta be joking, but talk about motivation if that rumour gets into the locker room!
Babs - "Hey guys gather'round.....Just so you all know; we lose tonight; I lose my job, and Kenny's already been on the phone with 'Torts'".....