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#2445965 Kronwall Injury Update

Posted by F.Michael on 19 October 2013 - 12:51 AM

I know this isn't going to be a popular thing to say, but it wasn't a dirty hit. if you watch the replay, what part of Mccloud's body hits kronwall's head? It was his thigh. kronwall's head went sideways into the boards. That is why his ear is cut up. Now it is physically impossible for those 2 things to be true in a hit from behind.

I understand the climate of sports today, and no one wants to see anyone get hurt. But players need to be more aware of where they are in todays game. Darren Elliott during the intermission break all but refused to call it a dirty hit, in fact he was far more focused on the other hit right behind the play on Glendenning.

Mickey Redmond talks about this all the time. Players put themselves in dangerous positions far to much and are not allowed to protect themselves anymore. a bi-product of far to many rules in todays game.

Now will McCloud get suspended? yes he will. it would have been a boarding call if Kronwall hadn't turned, so a dangerous play anyway.

I will agree with you that Kronner turning/changing direction only made things worse...


Now - with that said - my beef with McLeod is how he was lining Kronner up from the blue line, and didn't slow down one bit.

#2445870 stephen weiss

Posted by F.Michael on 18 October 2013 - 01:27 PM


I've got anger issues, everybody knows that. 

Why you're not one of us 'knuckle draggers' who love a good scrap is beyond me ;)

#2444934 Pronger is done

Posted by F.Michael on 16 October 2013 - 06:29 AM

Kind of surprised this is still up on YT.


Just think what he'd get today if he were playing...


Sorta ironic the guy is suffering residual effects from getting his brain bounced around in his skull.

I really have mixed feelings over this.  On the one hand, his symptoms sound horrible.  On the other, I wonder if he's sat at home now thinking "I wish I never smashed Holmstrom's head into the glass.  I wish I never stomped on Kesler"?  The NHL is unquestionably a safer place for Pronger's retirement.  He was a great player, second only to Lidstrom in his generation.  He was also a dirty, cowardly, cheap shotting, spot picking bully who could and should have been called for cross-checking on every shift of his career.  A "tough guy" whose fight card is topped by Dan Cleary and Michael Handzus.


As for cap circumvention, its already cap circumvention even without the whole "retired by not retired".  The guy is signed till he's 43, how is that different to the original Kovy deal?

When you read about what he's been going thru - you tend to feel sorry for him...Then you look at old videos of him at his 'finest' courtesy of YouTube, and suddenly that empathy dries up.

#2444074 Monday 1 PM start time?

Posted by F.Michael on 13 October 2013 - 11:32 PM

dumb move.  Wonder if anyone will actually go to this game?  Playing to an empty arena?  I'll be at work, like 99% of everyone else with a more or less traditional job.

All the drunken Red Sox fans will awaken from their stupor - pull on their Bruins jersey - have a few more barley pops - then make their way to the TD Garden.

#2443780 10/12 GDT: Flyers 2 at Red Wings 5

Posted by F.Michael on 12 October 2013 - 08:04 PM

Lagavulin for me.

High sticktuzzi?

Hence your handle...16 yr Laga is a fine dram indeed!

#2443776 10/12 GDT: Flyers 2 at Red Wings 5

Posted by F.Michael on 12 October 2013 - 08:03 PM


Beats your scotch, old man.   :lol:

I happen to have a sophisticated palate.

#2442713 Steve Yzerman wants Game Misconduct penalties for fighting

Posted by F.Michael on 08 October 2013 - 05:34 PM


I guess this is where we differ.  You'd apparently rather watch two teams, neither of whom you're a fan of, just because they're more likely to punch each other.  I'd rather watch the Red Wings win.  I'd rather watch Datsyuk dangle, Kronwall hit, and Jimmy stand on his head.  I'd rather see the game where our powerplay finally comes alive, or Alfie get his first goal as a Wing, or a four goal night from Mule, or Mrazek come off the bench because of a (non-serious) injury to Jimmy and play out of this world. 


There's no need to invent drama in sports, there's always something there.  Even against the Panthers.  I always thought that's what makes a diehard fan.  When you don't miss a game, regardless of the opponent.  When you don't leave early, even during a loss.  When you always find something to be excited about.  When you'd rather watch the Detroit Red Wings play the Phoenix Coyotes than the Bruins and the Habs, not because it'll be the best game ever, but because they're the Detroit F*cking Red Wings and they're the best team ever.  And for games like against Carolina.  A nobody. 


But apparently, when you're being honest, you'd rather see one guy punch another guy.

Been a die-hard Detroit Red Wings fan since 1984.


I've always enjoyed physical/tough hockey.


Just because I choose to watch a different game a few times a year when the Wings are on at the same time doesn't take away the fact that the Wings have been, and always be my #1 team.


Once again boys, and girls...Physical/tough hockey against a long time rival is much more fun to watch than hockey with little to no contact, and against an opponent that has little to no history of competing against one another.


Am I one of the few here that yearn for a Red Wings vs "opponent's name here" rivalry that harkens back to what we had against the Avs?


Haha, cute.  Except none of the "anti-fighting" crowd is questioning anything like this, mostly because it's not true.  It's just another thing you've completely made up to legitimize your personal preference.  Here in the real world, dominated by facts, league revenue and television viewership is still steadily increasing, despite the diminishing number of fights. 


Edit:  Also, Detroit was third in the league in attendance last season.  We actually had higher average attendance last year than we did during the 97-98 Cup season.  So it really is just as full as it ever was.  Here's proof...



Maybe don't make stuff up if you want to have intelligent discussions here on the discussion forum.  Just a thought.

Can't find the attendance numbers from the 97/98 Cup seasons on the link you provided...


You making stuff up ;)

#2442633 Steve Yzerman wants Game Misconduct penalties for fighting

Posted by F.Michael on 08 October 2013 - 09:54 AM


Fighting has been practically extinct from the Wings' game for years.  I wonder how many people on these forums find watching them similar to figure skating.

Ok...The brutally honest neanderthal inside me has gotta reply...


Wings vs Blue Jackets - OR - Habs vs Bruins...Guess what I'll watch?


Wings vs Yotes - OR - Flyers vs Bruins...Take a guess?


Wings vs Panthers - OR - Leafs vs Habs...Seeing what I'm getting at?


I love me some physical tough hockey, and if things get heated, and a few scraps between willing combatants breaks out - even better!


Again - it's why I'll take our 97/98 Cup teams anyday over our 08 team...Maybe we'll see some of the intensity renewed now that we're with our old rivals from the east.

#2442480 Steve Yzerman wants Game Misconduct penalties for fighting

Posted by F.Michael on 07 October 2013 - 12:36 AM



Fights happen because they always have, and for the time being they are still looked upon favorably by too many sad, old, apes who can't stop romanticizing the past.

I prefer to be called a 'knuckle dragger' - thank you very much!

#2442134 Steve Yzerman wants Game Misconduct penalties for fighting

Posted by F.Michael on 05 October 2013 - 05:49 PM

Here's an interesting take by former NHL'er Chris 'Knuckles' Nilan...




Points out how his depression didn't come from the game, or the fighting - it came  from substance abuse.

This is all I have to say about the subject.  I love the fights, not the staged kind.  And, I think Yzerman is wrong and should be more concerned about his team than fighting. 



I'm really indifferent to the 'staged' fights, but IMHO there's nothing better than those 'heat of the moment' scraps between players who've been battling hard the entire night, and wish to 'vent'.

#2441553 ESPN Poll of Anonymous Players

Posted by F.Michael on 04 October 2013 - 12:36 PM

2 things caught my eye...


7% vote for Milwaukee to get an NHL franchise.


60% vote for getting rid of the instigator rule.

#2441549 Steve Yzerman wants Game Misconduct penalties for fighting

Posted by F.Michael on 04 October 2013 - 12:23 PM

No hip checks???

Really is that how you see things?


A cup winning team is boring?????


You are an all or nothing type of guy/gal I am assuming.


And you realize Yzerman is not asking for fighting to be abolished? He is asking for stiffer penalties.


But hey who cares if getting punched in the head led to players killing themselves as long as you are entertained.

And if Athletes are so willing to accept the dangers why are there class action suits in the NFL and NCAA because the leagues did not do enough to prevent long term damage from concussions?

Let me take a crack at this...


Hipchecks - very few players today seem capable, or willing to attempt one (hence why we do not see them as often like we did back in the 80's), and the potential for a knee injury, and getting called for a low hit by the refs are also factors a player must consider...When it's done right - it's a thing of beauty - however we don't see them as often.


NJ Devils circa 1995 - excitement at it's finest - am I right?  ;)


How many players in the past 20 plus years took their own life?..In recent years - I know Probert died of a heart attack, Boogaard of a drug overdose (accidental if I remember correctly)...Only  Belak,  and  Rypien I believe were deemed suicides, and both of those individuals had suffered from depression.


Not sure how the NCAA, and pro leagues could've prevented concussions when in just the past decade we're finding out more, and more of their long term effects.

#2441369 Howard or Miller?

Posted by F.Michael on 03 October 2013 - 02:06 PM

To be honest - I'd rather keep Howard, and let guys like DeKeyser, and youngsters from GR get the ice time in the near future.

#2441303 Nyquist taking things in stride, with class

Posted by F.Michael on 03 October 2013 - 09:33 AM

He knows his GM and coach have lost their marbles.   

It gets me to think - what's keeping Nyquist, and Tartar from demanding a trade?


What's so 'special' about being a Red Wing when you're stuck in GR, and guys like Bert/Sammy/Cleary are taking up roster spots?


If I were either of those 2 - I'd be pretty damn pissed off at Holland.

#2441267 Patrick Roy goes crazy on Bruce Boudreau

Posted by F.Michael on 03 October 2013 - 06:45 AM



This was the play in question. Roy thought this was a knee-on-knee, trying to injure McKinnon. Doesn't look intentional to me.

In slow motion I'd say it's borderline...


At game speed - from across the ice - I can see where Roy would be pissed off.