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#2306153 Please Mr. I...

Posted by kipwinger on 09 June 2012 - 02:45 AM

My favorite thing about the Joe is that it's not named after some s***ty corporation. I know the new one will be, but I really loved the fact that the Joe was named after something relevant to Detroit's sporting history.


#2306065 We Need to Get Tougher to Play Against

Posted by kipwinger on 08 June 2012 - 05:11 PM

Remind me how much Eric Boulton is helping the Devils in the finals or how much Kyle Clifford has made the Kings win the cup. Goons are for teams that can't fill the stands unless they can play.

I'd take Clarkson for sure from the Devils, but its more because he is a net crasher... all of the things in the world we need, the last is toughness the way this list defines it.

I just don't see the point. When you don't have much money, and the cash needs to go to better players.

I will take an enforcer, if we have all the issues with the team solved. We don't.


I completely agree, and that's the most reasonable way to look at the enforcer idea in today's game.


#2306039 We Need to Get Tougher to Play Against

Posted by kipwinger on 08 June 2012 - 02:27 PM

I think the bored to death JLA crowd wouldn't mind it either.


From my time here at LGW is should be pretty obvious that I'm against having fighters on this team. As long as we win, I don't care about seeing scraps. However, there's something to be said for this. Remember back in 2004 before the Pistons went on their 3 years of dominance and they brought Rasheed in? I recall Dumars, or Larry Brown, can't remember who, saying that Rasheed wasn't really the best at anything. But he had the right attitude. Maybe Suh is another good example of attitude.

I love our hockey team, and won't stop no matter what they do in the off season. But worse things would happen than bringing in some mean bastard with an attitude. Might be the kind of spark plug that any team needs in order to stay motivated during the grind.

...but if we do chase a fighter, obviously he'll need to be the 13th forward.


#2305897 Red Wings make contract offer to D Justin Schultz

Posted by kipwinger on 07 June 2012 - 06:59 PM

Kariya, Toews, Stasny, McDonagh, Gardiner, Gilroy, Carle, Oates, Wheeler are just a few that come to mind



Crosby scored 200 points in 121 games playing forward against kids in the jrs. There is a big difference in production between defensemen and forwards and a big difference in producing in the jrs compared to the NCAA


If you think the kid is good enough to be comparable to those players then by all means, your point is valid. I've heard nothing to suggest that he's as good as all that, so I'd rather see him develop first. I've said all along, if he's in the company of superstars at this stage in his career then give him a contract. However, based on the (limited) information I have about the kid, it doesn't seem like he's in that category.


#2305891 Red Wings make contract offer to D Justin Schultz

Posted by kipwinger on 07 June 2012 - 05:45 PM

I think it always should be compared to his competition. If Schultz has shown he is better he can play, if not he should go to the AHL. I wouldn't like to tell all our rookies that put in the professional league development that you can bypass the work to make it to the club... however if you let skillful players use skill for merit, then you have to let that play itself out in training camp. In the end the young players like Kindl and Smith have more of a chance to make this team with Schultz instead of Stuart or Lidstrom... so they shouldn't be overly worried with us giving a contract to Justin.


Again, read through my posts, I don't disagree with you. I've said from the beginning that he should be offered a two way contract and given the opportunity to earn a spot in camp. But he absolutely should not be GUARANTEED NHL playing time without ever having played outside of the NCAA. That was what the whole debate was about from the beginning, whether or not he should be guaranteed playing time for the Red Wings as a condition for signing with the organization.


#2305888 Red Wings make contract offer to D Justin Schultz

Posted by kipwinger on 07 June 2012 - 05:37 PM

So has jarnkrok but he still has to dp ahl the season after this. Its all relative. I was just giving examples. The second half of my post u ignored in which i said 2 way contract.


Haha I didn't ignore it. I said the exact same thing on page three. Try actually reading the discussion before jumping into the middle of it and being argumentative. You might find that you've totally misunderstood the entire conversation from the beginning.

All I've ever said was that he should be signed, given a try out in camp, and forced to earn his position on the Wings roster or else develop more in the AHL.

Thanks for playing. Next.


#2305883 Red Wings make contract offer to D Justin Schultz

Posted by kipwinger on 07 June 2012 - 04:52 PM

Just putting things in perspective:

Kronner played less than 2 seasons in GR, Fil played 1 season in GR. Nyquist and Smith (assuming they stay up permanent) each played 1 season in GR. Dats, Z, Franzen played a total of 0 AHL games before joining the wings. Heck, Ericsson (the last pick in the draft) played less than 2.5 seasons in GR.

I think at this point, you could offer a 2way contract for first year and guarantee 1way after that. kinda like what they gave macdonald. At least that guarantees him that in the future he will be a part of the team and has the opportunity to make the big team this year if he brings it.

3 year deal (1st year 2way) and give him the opportunity to earn it in his first year. I just don't want to see some aging UFA dman absorb a spot on our d for 3 years to come. Sign a stop gap for the third pairing for a 1 year contract and let Kindl and him battle it out (so kindl doesn't rot away).


Datyuk, Zetterberg, and Franzen all played in PROFESSIONAL hockey leagues (Swedish Elite League, and Russian Superleague) in their respective countries, it's misleading to suggest that they didn't have sufficient professional development. If Schultz wants to develop in the SEL or KHL instead of the AHL I'm fine with that too. The point is, he needs to prove himself in a professional league before being given a spot on an NHL roster.


#2305727 Red Wings make contract offer to D Justin Schultz

Posted by kipwinger on 06 June 2012 - 10:00 PM

So let me get his right. Smith plays at the same school, in the same league, and per those on this forum he is a can't miss prospect. schultz out performs Smith and he is to risky, overrated etc........ is this what you are trying to say? just want to make sure before I bust a gut laughing my ass off.


Brendan Smith played two years of AHL hockey and competed for his spot in two Red Wings training camps. Schultz didn't. Next.


#2305638 Looking at Holland comments.

Posted by kipwinger on 06 June 2012 - 01:51 PM

Normally, this would be Holland's style for sure. But becuase of increasing parity and given the price last spring for Guastad and considering that a guy like Moen wasn't even moved at all, I could see Holland addressing this need sometime this summer.

What I could see Holland doing is aggressively going aftre the 2 defensemen and a top six forward on July 1st, then waiting for bargains later in the summer to fill the back-up goalie position and get that bottom six grinder.


Yeah, that definitely makes a lot of sense. You're right about the Gaustad and Moen thing, and I really didn't think about that.


#2305633 Looking at Holland comments.

Posted by kipwinger on 06 June 2012 - 01:34 PM

I can honestly see the Wings standing pat with 2 defensemen and a top six forward, and addressing any additional issues at the trade deadline. There's no real reason to run out and spend money on a backup goalie or bottom six forward when either of those things could be had with very little effort later on. Then again, I could be totally wrong, but I certainly won't be surprised if Holland only makes a couple of moves. Especially if any of those moves involves picking up high end talent.


#2305522 Red Wings make contract offer to D Justin Schultz

Posted by kipwinger on 05 June 2012 - 11:05 PM

I can't wait until someone takes a chance on the kid and he turns out to be a stud and kipwinger complains that we never grabbed him. a year ago i was begging people to consider a huddler ericsson and a 1st trade for bogosian and everyone acted like the kid was not worth it. now look at him. He's a number one on winnipeg. we need to take chances on younger players. it can pay off sometimes and otherwise schultz is a tradable asset that we acquired for nothing (or stuarts ufa rights).


I never said not to try and land the kid. I just said that's it's stupid to guarantee him anything before you've seen him play against professional hockey players. Read through all my posts and you'll see over and over, "sign him and give him a shot to make the team in camp".

Seriously, I double dare you to quote one single time I said, "don't sign Schultz".

Additionally, I'd submit that one of the reasons that the Wings have been so good for so many years is precisely because they don't "take chances" and promote unproven NCAA players over NHL ready players. Not really sure why any of you think that it's a good time to start doing that.


#2305515 Red Wings make contract offer to D Justin Schultz

Posted by kipwinger on 05 June 2012 - 10:04 PM

You bring up saying he played in the 2nd easiest league when I don't know maybe the kid wanted to get an education...


you win, that obviously proves he's a better player than Kindl. Rock solid dude.


#2305513 Red Wings make contract offer to D Justin Schultz

Posted by kipwinger on 05 June 2012 - 09:56 PM

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Easy fellas.. he's watching. LOL :lol:


It's not so much that I want to be the grammar police, but I can't help but point out the irony of you bumblef****** your way through a supposed insult about my education. However, if you want to get back to the subject at hand and show me how a college kid with 111 NCAA games under his belt has somehow PROVEN that he's better than Kindl who has about the same number of games played in the National Hockey League, I'd be glad to humor you.


#2305511 Red Wings make contract offer to D Justin Schultz

Posted by kipwinger on 05 June 2012 - 09:50 PM

Your a dumbass Kip, there is a 4 year difference in age.


"YOUR a dumbass". Nice try. Next.


#2305501 Red Wings make contract offer to D Justin Schultz

Posted by kipwinger on 05 June 2012 - 09:07 PM

Well with 111 NCAA games, he is still better than Kindl in every which way, so if Kindl can hold down a #7, I am sure Schultz could easily take the #6 spot...Besides, if Stuart and Quincey both leave and Suter replaces Lidstrom (hopefully) there are two spots open that neither of which Kindl can fill, Smith will have one of them and that leaves a UFA for the #6. Why not gamble on Schultz? low risk, high reward... It's not like he is walking on and taking a spot from someone, Kindl is no better than a #7 he has had plenty of opportunity to climb the ladder, he hasn't done it...if Schultz doesn't work out, you have Kindl to fall back on until the deadline...low risk, high reward...


Kindl just finished playing his first season against NHL caliber players. Was he great? No. Did he play professional hockey? Yes. Schultz has never played professional hockey at ANY level.

So at this point you just hope Schultz is better, he hasn't proven af****** thing. You have to remember that Kindl was a first rounder too, so it's not like there's not a huge possibility that guys with tons of potential can have a hard time adjusting to the NHL game.

This kid played 111 games in the second easiest hockey league in North America after the CHL.

Tell me how he's proven that he's better than Kindl? Because he played well against a bunch of 19-20 year olds? Great. And don't even get me started on those saying that he's a better option than Quincey, which is absurd.

I honestly cannot believe I have to argue that dominating college hockey does not, in any way, mean that you're better than a professional NHL player. The only way to prove that is to go to camp and earn a spot, or as I side, be some kind of once in a lifetime talent. Justin Schultz is not, and has not done, either.

Note: Jacub Kindl played 55 games in the hardest hockey league on the planet and scored a goal, had 12 assists, and was a plus 7. Those aren't bad numbers for a rookie seventh defenseman. So how in the world can you say this kid is "better than Kindl in every way"? Honestly, please explain to me how this kid has PROVEN he's better?