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#2524964 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 20 June 2014 - 10:07 PM

Another question I've been asking myself when it comes to what we need/want this offseason is this:  What kind of  team are we, and what kind of team do we want to be?


It's clear that there's a lot of talent available this offseason.  A whole lot of teams aren't happy with the outcomes of their seasons and are looking to shake up their rosters.  But just because a guy is talented, or has played the right role in the past, doesn't mean he's a fit.  For a few years now I've felt we were a team without an identity.  Not skilled enough to be a skill team, not gritty enough to be a gritty team, and not big enough to be a power team.  Now we've got some young talent coming along which displays some skill, and was drafted as such.  Do we keep going in that direction and try to overwhelm teams with pure skill?  Do we augment it with power?  Do we augment it with grittiness?  


Personally, I think we can't expect playoff success on pure skill. Teams keep us to the outside and block shots.  And we don't have the core go completely over to power like a Boston or Anahiem (whose best players are huge).  I think the smartest move is to go gritty.  Replace just a little bit of high end skill for fast, tough, rough guys.  Be like a better version of Montreal or Columbus.  Which would preclude acquiring guys like Thornton or Perron.  But that's just me. 

#2524857 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 20 June 2014 - 12:41 PM

No, because, as I posted earlier, Weiss and Andy in package for Kesler to play on Datsyuks wing.

Tatar in a package for Dumbo Jumbo.

Kesler Datsyuk Franzen

Zetterberg Thorny Nyquist

Jurco Sheahan Pulkinen

Miller Glendening Abdelskater

It can happen, and it will.


I appreciate your certainty lol. 

#2524855 Shawn Thornton will not be returning to the Bruins

Posted by kipwinger on 20 June 2014 - 12:34 PM


That's the benefit of having guys like McGrattan on the roster if you take liberties they are not going to ask if you want to fight them, they jump you MacIntyre style. All I can say is watch Marchand bringing a much cleaner game now, because Lucic has been told to fight less and Chiarelli doesn't want Chara to fight either. Thornton is a very special player sometimes - more often than not - father time just sucks.


 Special how?  I get that you like enforcers, and I'm certainly not going to try and talk you out of it, but you're starting to inflate Thornton's qualities into something mythic.  Even as far as enforcers go he's not all that great. 

#2524831 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 20 June 2014 - 11:43 AM


Tell that to Guinness, who've marketed their beer for years over here with the slogan 'good things come to those who wait'


Haha what do they know?  They just sell beer.  Did Michael Jackson make "Thriller" by waiting around?  Did Steve overtake Johannes as the greatest Gutenberg while taking it easy?  Did Hulk Hogan pick up and slam a GIANT by resting on his laurels?


Didn't think so. 

#2524816 Todd Bertuzzi will not be re-signed

Posted by kipwinger on 20 June 2014 - 11:08 AM


Why? I mean I have nothing against Bert, but no sympathy really. He nearly killed Steve Moore after all. Really he should have been banned for life. 


I like a good redemption story. 

#2524811 Todd Bertuzzi will not be re-signed

Posted by kipwinger on 20 June 2014 - 11:01 AM

He could just sign with a real contender now.


I wish.  Seriously, I'd really love for Bert to get a Cup.  I've got nothing but sympathy for the guy.  I'd rather he win one than Alfie. 

#2524808 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 20 June 2014 - 10:46 AM

If it took Jarnkrok + a 2nd to land Legwand... sigh. I'll admit Joe has skill, but I'm sure most of us would be uncomfortable with the asking price/actual payment. Good to see Kenny kicking tires, though.


Jesus what a nightmare.  I really hate dwelling on that trade because I realize we were over a barrel (sort of).  But every time I see it written down on this site I want to puke.  That package would go a long way toward landing Ryan Kesler right now, AND he'd be under contract. 


Kudos to Poile on the MASSIVE trade rape. 

#2524800 Todd Bertuzzi will not be re-signed

Posted by kipwinger on 20 June 2014 - 10:07 AM

And thus ends my long time dream of cheering wildly as Todd Bertuzzi is handed the Stanley Cup first after it is presented to Zetterberg (and cheering all the more wildly knowing that the rest of the hockey world is HATING what they're seeing). 

#2524743 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 19 June 2014 - 11:00 PM

:yahoo: You're my boy!!

Welcome aboard the U.S.S. Positivity.  I'll be your Captain.  We're currently sailing though some choppy waters over the next two weeks of our voyage.  Please keep your life-preservers handy.


Ahhh... the good old strawman. He's a sight for sore eyes on these forums.  

He didn't strawman your position. 

He clearly broke down your position into A) You wanna win the cup every year... and he said that isn't very realistic. 

He then went on to say that in his opinion, B) he disagrees that the team is not taking steps towards that goal because he thinks the team is trending upwards not downwards.  ...and then went on to give his opinion.


He's also gone on to state your overall position very plainly. 

You're not as they say, "A glass half-full type of guy"   ...and that's okay. Own it, FFS.

  It's not as if you're not making salient points, Shamen. 

You just have to understand that while everyone wants to win or contend for the Cup every year. 

Not everyone is going to be as down or as pessimistic about the future as you seem to be.

...and that's okay too.  ...just stop pretending that you're not Debbie Downer.


There might be a plan.  Hell, maybe Holland finally has a plan A, B, and C.  As for us, all of us here.  Yeah. We're all grasping at straws. Desperately.  :lol:



Finally, and this goes for ALL OF YOU!

Yes, we say we should wait for FA and the draft and etc. because well, YOU KIND OF HAVE TO! 



...or would you rather us throw fifth rounders at Dan Boyle for no good reason.


You're on a roll tonight buddy! 

Keep everyone on an even keel. Lord knows we need it.  And here's hoping you're rewarded for your faith. 

#2524730 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 19 June 2014 - 09:46 PM

We may not have so many after trading starts. Realistically we have Datsyuk, Weiss, Helm, Sheahan. Weiss can play wing and Helm may end up traded. Andersson just isn't good and can also be traded.

A middle of Datsyuk, Thornton, Weiss/Helm and Sheahan doesn't make anyone else excited? That's powerful and Cup worthy. We could still use a new winger but if we upgrade the defense we may not need one.


I mean, I don't want to sound overly pessimistic because those are all good centers.  But I was already excited at the thought of Dats, Weiss, Sheahan, Helm. 


But it doesn't make a bit of difference if their wingers have hammer hands (Abby) or weight 175 lbs. (Tatar, Nyquist) or are Franzen.  We've already got good centers.  I want wingers with size.


I will admit that Joe would probably make Franzen a superstar overnight.  And he'd be good for Mantha's development too.  Really good.  Mantha would score a zillion goals with Joe passing to him. 

#2524536 Slow News Day Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 19 June 2014 - 08:32 AM


Wasn't it more a case of the fact that he was a Wings fan growing up?


I'm sure that's why he had it on his car.  But the fact that he showed up to meet another team and didn't remove it seems to suggest his sympathies hadn't changed. 


Probably 90% of the people on here would do the same.  If I had my pick of every team in the NHL I'd probably meet with the Blackhawks and Maple Leafs wearing my Maltby sweater lol. 


That kid was never going any place else.  Thank god Dekeyser is a Detroiter, lord knows how bad our defense would be without him haha.

#2524458 Shawn Thornton will not be returning to the Bruins

Posted by kipwinger on 18 June 2014 - 03:40 PM

When Babcock has had a pure fighter in Detroit the guy barely played. Why get an old guy that forces a young still improving player out just so he can play 5 minutes a night in maybe 50 games then not sniff the ice in the playoffs?


Because he punches guys.  The argument goes something like this:  We should get Shawn Thornton because he's a fighter and we need that on our team.  We need it on our team because we don't have it on our team currently.  We don't currently have it on our team because we don't currently have Shawn Thornton. 


Hopefully that helps. 

#2524454 Dan Boyle's rights traded to the Islanders…..

Posted by kipwinger on 18 June 2014 - 03:14 PM


True, but we don't know what (if anything) might come after Boyle. Whether it be Alfie, a trade for Kesler, Edler or whatever. The pieces get added one by one generally not all at the same time. 


Agreed.  We don't know.  Although I'm certainly not banking on anything else.  Signing old washed up vets is Holland's MO.  Trading for impact players like Kesler and Edler isn't.  If he signs Boyle and then goes on to do grab a couple first rate players in their prime, I won't have anything to complain about.  However, history has shown Holland signs guys like Boyle in lieu of making impact moves, not in addition to making impact moves.  If he signs Boyle, I sure hope this will be the exception.

#2524442 Dan Boyle's rights traded to the Islanders…..

Posted by kipwinger on 18 June 2014 - 01:34 PM


I don't think we'll ever agree on this one, but signing Boyle (in my eyes) run against two of your arguments. 

#1: I don't think signing Boyle would be "doing something just to do it". I think his experience would help Sproul, Marchenko, Ouellet, etc. Whichever one of the kids makes the team this coming season, especially with their work on the PP. Which brings me to...

#2: One of those kids is going to make the team this year, in my opinion. They've (Holland and Babcock) discussed it several times - they like the kids. My best guess is that one of Kindl and/or Lashoff is out with the Wings. I would love for Detroit to be able to move Kindl to a team fighting to hit the cap floor. I think Kindl has certainly played himself off this team, and someone will be willing to ship over a 4th or 5th for him.

Having a defensive core of Kronwall, Ericsson, DeKeyser, Boyle, Smith, Sproul and Lashoff looks good to me - at the very least, it's an improvement over last season's. 


How is he going to help the kids any more than the vets we already have?  We're not Edmonton, we've got tons of highly successful veterans on our team.  And also, anything you gain in that regard is offset by the fact that he's old, slow, small, and even in his best years was only ok at actually playing defense. 

#2524431 Dan Boyle's rights traded to the Islanders…..

Posted by kipwinger on 18 June 2014 - 01:15 PM

Not a whole lot of Shea Webers lying around


Agreed.  So rather that do something just to do it, why not give the spot to the most deserving kids and let them gain valuable experience which WILL help us in the future.  Lord knows what 82 games under Babcock's tutelage would do for Ryan Sproul's development.