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#2375426 Dreger: Wings 'very interested' in Bouwmeester *merged*

Posted by kipwinger on 28 March 2013 - 07:25 PM

I would like to see this 'source' that said Yandle is being shopped right now. This is the first i've heard of this.

 

Well, we'll start with these...

 

http://www.sportsnet...ation-heats-up/

 

http://www.thefourth.../chi130328.html

 

http://www.mlive.com...estions_10.html




#2375376 Dreger: Wings 'very interested' in Bouwmeester *merged*

Posted by kipwinger on 28 March 2013 - 06:32 PM

Why is my troll brain telling me that, even though this is entirely media speculation to fill up space on the web, the fact that we're even talking "very interested" in Bouwmeester means we've been told we're out of the running for DeKeyser?

 

Because for the last few years every time we've lost any sort of talent it's been replaced by mediocre hacks?




#2375372 Dreger: Wings 'very interested' in Bouwmeester *merged*

Posted by kipwinger on 28 March 2013 - 06:26 PM

So according to most here at LGW, Holland needs to get off his ass and make this team better right now BUT ONLY if the moves are LGW approved.

 

Nope, only if the moves actually make the team better.  Bouwmeester doesn't.  Nobody is saying make a trade just to make a trade. 




#2375368 Dreger: Wings 'very interested' in Bouwmeester *merged*

Posted by kipwinger on 28 March 2013 - 06:24 PM

Ya I'd rather have Yandle over JBow. I'd see what Calgary would accept for JBow and then offer the same (or equivalent) to Phx for Yandle and see if they bite.

 

According to the rumor sites they're asking for essentially the same thing, young roster player, prospect, pick. 



And thats just it. This team could use more size. They get injured enough as it is. The bigger they get, the healthier they get. J-Bo has also been an ironman. If there is something this team can use, it's someone who is not gonna be on IR regularly.

 

yeah nothing like having expensive mediocrity in the lineup night after night after night after night after night. 




#2375363 Dreger: Wings 'very interested' in Bouwmeester *merged*

Posted by kipwinger on 28 March 2013 - 06:18 PM

Yandle, IMO is exactly what the team doesn't need. A one dimensional dman who is not very good in his own zone. J-Bo can play well at both ends of the ice, and has stepped up his game this year. I think he would be a great fit with the Wings. And his cap hit is just for one season. Everyone acts as if it is a cap hit the team would be stuck with forever. I don't get it.

 

He has size, can QB a powerplay, can move the puck well, and play well in his own zone. I don't understand how Yandle at just 1.8 mil less can be seen as a much better option. Yandle isn't even the best dman on his team.

 

Yandle's as good as Rafalski offensively and defensively, and he'd make our powerplay lethal.  Plus, he's excellent in transition.  He's already everything we're hoping Smith will be one day.  His defensive play is wildly underrated.  He only gets knocked because he's smallish. 

 

Don't get me wrong, I'd love a top minute shutdown defender who can play physical, I like Smid for that, but here's the thing...Bouwmeester isn't a physical shutdown defender either.  You're getting a worse contract, marginally better defense, and worse offense for a lot more money and essentially the same asking price.

 

Plus, if Yandle's numbers weren't already impressive enough, imagine how much better they'd be on a team with offense who doesn't play a defense first system. 




#2375341 Dreger: Wings 'very interested' in Bouwmeester *merged*

Posted by kipwinger on 28 March 2013 - 05:57 PM

If we trade for Bouwmeester I'm going to lose it.  Why take on that s*** contract for that s*** player when Yandle is supposedly available?




#2375295 Wings Make Offer to Danny D!

Posted by kipwinger on 28 March 2013 - 04:35 PM

How is he on the PK? 

 

 

Supposely really good.  He's a good skater, decent size, and real long reach. 




#2375293 Wings Make Offer to Danny D!

Posted by kipwinger on 28 March 2013 - 04:27 PM

I don't think it's unrealistic for him to step into the NHL and be an effective player.  The problem is, he's not a point producing defenseman so he's not going to show up on the score sheet much, which will draw the ire of some fans.  By all accounts he's a good physical shutdown guy, more of a Dan Girardi than a Justin Schultz.  So if people hold him to the wrong standard then they'll definitely be disappointed. 




#2375024 Iginla Traded to Pittsburgh

Posted by kipwinger on 28 March 2013 - 10:23 AM

Calling it now, Pittsburgh gets beat in the first round of the playoffs after their swiss cheese defense gets totally exposed. 




#2374488 Douglas Murray to Pittsburgh, Confirmed, Awaiting full details

Posted by kipwinger on 26 March 2013 - 08:37 PM

Hahaha, OK. So sorry, but if I need to pit the virtually unanimous online opinion of a fanbase against some random statistical system created by a bunch of random, amateur hockey analysts, I'm going to go with the former.

 

Add to this that nobody on this planet actually believes that Douglas Murray is top-25 as a defensive defenseman.

 

Cleary that's not true.  People who use evidence like blocked shots, quality of competition ratings, takeways, PK time/game, and give aways think that Doug Murray is a top 25 defensive defenseman because...drum roll please...they opinion is based on something verifiably hockey related .  Apparently, the only people who don't think so are the ones that say things without substantiating them in any way, just for the sake of argument. 




#2374484 Douglas Murray to Pittsburgh, Confirmed, Awaiting full details

Posted by kipwinger on 26 March 2013 - 08:13 PM

Sharks fans would laugh at you if you told them that Murray was one of the top-25 defensive defensemen in the league last season, and that counts for far more than statistics from a random hockey website. These guys can argue that I'm wrong as much as they want, but the testimony of people who watch every game the Sharks play speaks far louder.

 

So in reality, you're wrong.

 

Right the testimony of the fans is worth it's weight in gold, while stats play second banana...got it.  Sooo, have you made any informed conclusions about the Wings based on the testimony of people who watch every game?  People like Blueadams, Leftwinger, Dabura, Me, The Axe?  We're all fans, we watch every game.  And as you've already stated, our "testimony" speaks far louder than silly old facts like statistics. 

 

Crymson:  "Doug Murray isn't very good at anything other than being big"

 

Kip:  "Well here's a bunch of evidence that says you're not being accurate"

 

Crymson:  "Evidence smevidence, the opinions of the knowledgeable San Jose Sharks fan base speaks far louder"

 

Kip:  Face palm. 




#2373763 Bertuzzi's continuing back problems

Posted by kipwinger on 25 March 2013 - 02:47 PM

This is a real bummer.  I don't care what anybody around here says, his size, strength and hands, make him valuable to this team.  I'm still holding out hope that Bert makes is back this season. 




#2373757 Douglas Murray to Pittsburgh, Confirmed, Awaiting full details

Posted by kipwinger on 25 March 2013 - 02:35 PM

I do believe that Morrow was one of their highly looked at prospects though. Penguin fans (we know they like to overrate their prospects) had him rated as one of their top, if not, top defensive prospect.



 

The recent moves haven't been moving fat though, that's the thing. It's been moving picks and it's probably the main thing teams are gunning for this off-season due to the deep draft class.

 

That's exactly the point I'm making, if you've got a deep talent pool of defensive prospects you can move your top rated one without causing any long term harm to your team as a whole.  Clearly Shero believed that they could move Morrow and still be fine in the long run.  Just because a prospect is really good doesn't mean he has more value playing for your team than he does as trade bait.  Holland always views our prospects as future Red Wings, which isn't necessarily bad, but I'm arguing that a guy like Nyquist or Smith (given our prospect depth) has more value as trade bait than as a future player.  Just like Morrow clearly had more value as trade bait in Shero's eyes. 




#2373753 Wings Make Offer to Danny D!

Posted by kipwinger on 25 March 2013 - 02:26 PM

Thats the downswing to Edmonton.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think that Edmonton is a good spot either, but Danny could easily see them as a better option than Detroit.

 

If he thinks that, then he clearly hasn't been paying attention to how the Edmonton Oilers have run their hockey club since around 1990. 




#2373738 Douglas Murray to Pittsburgh, Confirmed, Awaiting full details

Posted by kipwinger on 25 March 2013 - 01:40 PM

Pittsburgh really wants to win it this year, huh? But at the same time, if they're willing to give up two 2nd round picks as well as one of their best prospects, why not do it for Iginla instead? Murray and Morrow have both been awful this season and one of both of them will need a massive turnaround in Pittsburgh for these moves to look good. 

 

Giving up a lot of future for mediocre guys. Saying that though, they're definitely looking like a contender this year. 

 

I'm getting a little irritated by this whole "giving up the future" argument.  They are absolutely loaded with defensive prospects.  Moving one out of the bunch isn't going to "mortgage the future".  They have defensive prospects like we have forward prospects, we're lousy with them.  God forbid we move one and rely on the rest for the "future".