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#2529665 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 02 July 2014 - 10:34 PM

Tatar isn't a surefire top 6 player yet. What universe? The modern NHL. And the fact that every team has us over a barrel. But its moot now since it sounds like Holland is set with the team we have. Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk 2


Tatar just had a better rookie season than Datsyuk did, on a much worse team.  I'm not sure what else he's got to prove for you to think he's a future top six player. 


As far as your asking price for Green.  I don't think Washington would even ask that with a straight face.  Holland's the king of making moves from a position of weakness, but even then, he's insane.  He gave a prospect and a pic for a top six center in Legwand and that was universally considered an overpayment.  Asking for a future top six forward in return for a guy on an expiring contract, who isn't a first pair defender, isn't happening.  I can't think of even a single example. 

#2529638 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 02 July 2014 - 08:50 PM

I wish Holland had the stones to offer sheet Johansen or O'Reilly. I would give up multiple first rounders for those guys. Worth an overpayment to get a player of that talent and we already have a strong prospect pool (except top 6 C).


A week ago he probably could have traded for O'Reilly and not had to go to all that effort.  He doesn't want to be there, and had the return been cheaper than his contract Colorado would likely have been able to keep Paul Stastny.  But Holland's player acquisition skills, such as they are, don't allow him to make those sorts of shrewd business moves. 


Also, you're crazy if you'd trade Tatar over Nyquist.  He's harder to play against than Nyquist by a mile.  Everybody is always clamoring for Detroit to get tougher, and then when confronted by two guys who are roughly equal in talent they want to keep the softer one because he's flashier.  Stick Nyquist on the third line and let his ultra lucky shooting percentage come back to earth and they probably produce the same amount of points too. 

#2529629 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 02 July 2014 - 08:35 PM

No.  I don't think Pulks has much value.  It'd have to be Tatar, Nyquist, Sheahan or Jurco, and I think only the first two would draw any interest.


A trade for an injury prone, one dimensional, offensive defenseman in the last year of an overpriced contract is going to require a young, future top six, roster player in return?  In what universe?

#2529627 Well...at least we're not Philadelphia. Giroux Arrested.

Posted by kipwinger on 02 July 2014 - 08:32 PM

The only thing better would be hearing Crosby grabbing a males rear end haha.


Why would that be better?


I bet Tatar could drink Kane under the table.


Dude, don't get me wrong, I love Tatar as much as the next guy.  But staying up late drinking in your apartment is not even in the same ballpark as getting drunk and punching a cab driver or going to a college party in a different state, at a school you didn't go to.  If I'm drafting one hockey player for my beer olympics team, it's Kane, hands down. 


One a real note for one second.  Just imagine how good Patrick Kane would be if he tried and/or gave a damn. 

#2529572 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by kipwinger on 02 July 2014 - 05:06 PM

Frankly I don't care what's gone before anymore. The point is, we're starting a new season, with a roster that is good enough IMO to make the playoffs. Once you get in, who the hell knows what might happen. 


If recent history is any indication we'll get butchered by a better team in rounds one or two.  That's not going to change with a bad defense, an average goalie, and a bunch of kids who are improving just as fast as our core players are declining. 


And it's most definitely not going to change if Ken Holland, and his apologists, have an endless list of excuses for not making the team better. 


Every other team in the league has young talent playing for it too.  If our strategy is to "just let the kids develop" without doing anything else, how are we any better off than any other team who's letting their young players improve as well?  You think Boston and Pittsburgh don't have young guys who are getting better too?

#2529559 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by kipwinger on 02 July 2014 - 04:25 PM

I'm so tired of this, "if we weren't injured" argument.  Datsyuk and Zetterberg weren't injured when we lost in the first round to San Jose in 2010.  They weren't injured when we lost in the second round to San Jose in 2011.  They weren't injured when we got embarrassed by Nashville in 2012.  They weren't injured when we blew a 3 games to 1 lead against Chicago a year ago.  And they very likely weren't the only people playing injured in this year's mauling by Boston. 


Another thing, people play hurt in the playoffs all the time.  Bergeron was nearly dead a year ago and Boston had no trouble making it to the finals.  Anybody that thinks a healthy Pavel or Hank change the outcome of our series isn't looking at recent history, and isn't taking into account the fact that injuries don't only happen to Detroit. 


We lose because our "elite" players aren't good enough anymore.  Our up and comers aren't good enough yet.  And everybody else is just average. 

#2529541 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by kipwinger on 02 July 2014 - 03:33 PM

Or else we'll never get Rodrigenstizzlean Kompfeerzuzabelt. Kid's a rocket!


I know him!  It's Ziggerwaggelitus and Figglywigbandersnatch's son.  What a lovely family.  I have to remember to send them a Christmas card this year. 

#2529421 Well...at least we're not Philadelphia. Giroux Arrested.

Posted by kipwinger on 02 July 2014 - 11:26 AM


Yeah? At least he's willing to take risks and make moves. Holland is the real clown show.


I think you're dealing with two extremes.  Holland won't make a move to save his life, and Holmgren makes ill advised moves constantly.  I'd imagine the middle ground between the two should be the target. 


Anyway, back on topic...everybody point and laugh at Claude Giroux.  He's a real dummy. 

#2529411 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by kipwinger on 02 July 2014 - 11:04 AM

Kudos to Quincey's agent by the way.  Seriously.  How he managed to get his client a raise is beyond me. 


You know who I feel bad for?  Kyle Quincey.  I know he's not that good, and I know that he should be playing for someone else, and I know that he's now getting drastically overpaid.  But you can't blame him for signing the contract.  He just wants to play hockey.  But because Holland was such a massive failure yesterday, Quincey is back, and now any little mistake he makes will be magnified 2000% because people are (justifiably) pissed off. 


Final thought:  How funny is it that the story prior to free agency was "The Wings would like to re-sign Kyle Quincey but it's believed he'll seek a raise on the open market".  The irony is killing me. 

#2529395 Well...at least we're not Philadelphia. Giroux Arrested.

Posted by kipwinger on 02 July 2014 - 10:48 AM

Words can't describe how much I needed this today.  Shout out to the universe for hooking a guy up in a time of need. 




"Although few details were immediately available, a source said Giroux was arrested for repeatedly grabbing the buttocks of a male police officer. Alcohol is believed to have been involved.

The incident occurred at a bar in the Byward Market the source said.

Ottawa Police have refused any comment on the incident. Police said they cannot comment unless charges are laid, but several sources did confirm to the Sun Giroux spent the night in jail."

#2529388 Wings to have face to face with Matt Niskanen

Posted by kipwinger on 02 July 2014 - 10:34 AM

What happened to Niskanen's going to make "Eleventy Billion dollars and get paid like a first pair defenseman"?  Some predicted upward of 7 million.  Anybody wanna raise their hand and call a mulligan on that one?

KH:  "Hey Matt, you should sign with us".

MN:  "Why would I do that?  You're a worse team than the one I'm leaving and you've done nothing to improve."

KH:  "Oh by the way, we're going to need you to sign for less than you'd make elsewhere".

MN:  Lol. 


Holy s***.  I just realized I can see the future lol.  Although, to be accurate it wasn't just Niskanen turning down because our GM is cheap and complacent. 

#2529384 TANK IT! 2014-2015 Season

Posted by kipwinger on 02 July 2014 - 10:26 AM

Going a little far here.  I'm as irritated as the next guy, and probably more than most.  But rather than "tank it" how about we just give open spots to deserving kids and see what they can do?  Seemed to work out well last year.  I don't know about anybody else but I'd love to add a 6'4 200+ lb Mantha, and a 6'4 200+ lb Sproul to our lineup.  As long as he doesn't trade anything valuable away and/or sign some washed up old guy (Alfie) we could very well see











Probably won't compete for a Cup, maybe won't make the playoffs even.  But maybe, just maybe, we get a little bigger, a little faster, a little bit more hungry, and a little harder to play against. 

#2529368 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 02 July 2014 - 10:00 AM

he may try to package kindl Lashoff and possibly tats for someone big I keep thinking he may try for yandle but his going to giv up alot


At least Yandle is worth it.  He plays close to 82 games every year and scores 50 pts like clockwork.  I'm afraid we're going go lose a bunch of assets and the return will be some project defenseman like Myers.  God forbid Holland ever go for a sure thing. 

#2529364 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by kipwinger on 02 July 2014 - 09:49 AM

And this, in a nutshell, is the problem. 


"We made pitches to a number of defensemen," general manager Ken Holland said. "For a variety of reasons, they opted to go elsewhere. I don't know why they're not coming here."


No Ken.  They opted to go elsewhere for one reason.  Detroit is not realistically competing for a Stanley Cup any time soon.  We've barely made the playoffs lately.  A variety of reasons have contributed to that fact.  Largely, that you're a miserly, penny pinching, son of a ***** who is utterly befuddled by the player acquisition part of your job. 


He seriously makes it seem like EVERY free agent signed somewhere else entirely by chance.  Pure happenstance kept everyone away Kenny, you betcha. 

#2529338 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by kipwinger on 02 July 2014 - 08:33 AM

Some thoughts.

1. LOL!

2. I can handle not landing any UFA's. That is always a crap shoot. You can wine and dine those guys, throw lots of years and money at them, and they still may go somewhere else.

3. BUT resigning Qunicey? Terrible.

4. Holland needs to make a major move by August 1 to flip this around.

5. Those expecting us to be better because "we are healthy", please wake up and join the real world. We haven't been healthy in 3 seasons now. Most of the same old and injury prone players are coming back. Man games lost will not change much.

6. The last 3 years have produced worse winning % each year. 11/12 we won 43 games, just over 50%. in 12/13 we won 24-50%, this last season we won 39 just under 50%. That is trending the wrong way.



We consistently become less and less competitive, and yet, pundits like Malik are blaming the state of Joe Louis Arena.  Unbelievable. 


As I've said a thousand times.  Please, Ken Holland, don't do something stupid to make this worse.  You're already a huge embarrassing failure.  Losing Tatar or Jurco in a lopsided panic move is only going to make it worse. 


Don't bring anyone else in, don't over think things, don't kick tires or pick up the phone.  Just give the remaining spots to Ryan Sproul and Mantha, and in a couple years (despite your best efforts) we should be respectable again (under head coach Jeff Blashill).